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I didn't bother reading anything other than the OP, i'm sure this thread is filled with people arguing with each other...
all I want to say is good luck eve + slayers ^>^ There's nothing wrong with anything that you have done other than expect better from the internet 
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I was not really sure what to you think about this controversy, it's clear that the way it was presented it looked like a bit of an overaction, but you convinced me that your reaction was legitimate.
I hope slayers_eve will learn and become a good player that can play on televised game, maybe putting her that quick on the spotlight was a small mistake (unfortunately you have to expect these kind of reactions). I think it's a good thing that you took action against the most disgusting things (you can call people name on the internet, however photoshoping the face on a pornstart is not acceptable...).
I hope slayers_eve was not too disapointed/scared by this controversy, and good luck for slayers in GSTL  .
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On July 22 2011 05:59 carloselcoco wrote:
Everyone who is mad because Jessica selected Eve must be gay!
Who does not want to see female pro-gamers!! 0.o
I am loving the initiative and people should stop flaming that she was only selected because she was a girl. Why? Because Jessica said it herself that it was because she was a girl! Jessica wants to see women in SC2 and so do I! So, unless you are gay, you should stop complaining about this...
So, if someone was gay, they should continue complaining about this? I can't believe this is your best argument in support of Eve. It makes no sense, it's mildly offensive, and portrays an attitude that contradicts why Eve was allowed to join Slayers - to help foster a more diverse gaming environment.
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On July 22 2011 06:05 FreezerJumps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 06:02 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:58 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:55 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:53 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:47 farnham wrote:On July 22 2011 05:40 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:35 Charger wrote:On July 22 2011 05:25 FreezerJumps wrote:
I don't support Eve, because she doesn't deserve what she's been given. I don't support Jessica, because she's given an opportunity to someone far less deserving than the masters and gransmasters players who have done far more to earn a contract.
But I also don't support the people who are saying anything worse than what I just said, nor do I support any of the supposed hatred and pictures which I haven't seen. Yeah, ladder ranking is all that people should consider when giving someone an opportunity to play on a team................. :o edit - Go SlayerS! And go BoxeR!!!!!!! <3 I didn't mean to imply that ladder ranking was the only important factor, but I do think it's quite a bit more important than gender and looks, which have been explicitly stated as reasons why she was added to the team.If you were in grandmasters on KR, playing against professionals, how would you feel when your chance to join a team is taken by someone else because she's a girl and you're a guy? I know a lot of people support affirmative action in e-Sports, but I'm not one of them. yes this is why people have to check their information is this information comes from thisisgame.com it was a speculation of the journalist not an actual statement of the team check it for yourself : http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=703754&category=102 From the OP: She was not selected through the pro-gamer casting system, but she is someone I selected for the team to help start having female competitors in Starcraft 2 Maybe I was wrong about the looks part, but my point stands. Gender shouldn't be a factor at all. Why shouldn't gender be a factor? It's their team, and they want to do more than just make a strong team - they want to help e-Sports grow. If you watched BoxeR's Wings, you'd see the sheer amount of passion and effort Jessica and BoxeR put into creating their team. Finding sponsors, finding a team house, all while Jessica took care of BoxeR while BoxeR practiced for the GSL. And after all that hard work from scratch, suddenly they can't recruit whoever they damn well please? What's with this idealistic sense of entitlement? They can pick whomever they want. All I've said is that I don't support those decisions. Eve hasn't earned anything. By your logic, one could argue that, for example, SlayerS picking up Alicia was also an unfair decision that you wouldn't support. Alicia lost in the recruitment tournament, yet BoxeR picked him up anyway because apparently he encountered Alicia on the ladder or something and saw potential in him. In other words, Alicia didn't make it into SlayerS because of just being good (having lost in the recruitment tournament) - he made it in because he was lucky enough to run into BoxeR in the past so that BoxeR could form a good opinion of him. There very well may have been plenty of other more-deserving players (if you go by skill as the only factor for deserving recruitment). And, you definitely don't "earn" BoxeR evaluating you as someone with potential - you simply have that potential or you don't. Thus, I don't really see how "earning" recruitment has to do with anything. Alicia was recruited for skill and potential, which are important. Eve was picked up because she's a girl, which is not important. Unless, of course, you're goal is to explicitly promote eSports amongst females.
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I support Slayers_Jessica.
I know alot of people non korean will find the measure to sue one another for cyber bullying too drastic and out of proportion but as we know its a cultural thing but above all i think its a gesture , a protest against all the internet hate which seems to be everywhere and its reeally shows how petty people are on the internet.
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On July 22 2011 06:05 TokyoDown wrote:
Signing girl gamers is awesome. I think more teams should look into it as long as their at the appropriate skill level. EvE is not on that level. For Slayers, this is a good move to bring in media, and a better vibe to the whole Slayers organization. I just don't think suddenly signing a "ametuer" for the sake of being original, and diverse is a good idea.
I do condemn all those for the hate mail, and humiliating a innocent girl. In any circumstance, you should never send hate mail. What is that going to accomplish? People that send hate mail need to look in the mirror. Hyporcrits.
SO, Eve happens to be Diamond in Korea...
I can guarantee you that she is able to beat GM's from NA and Europe.....
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On July 22 2011 06:05 FreezerJumps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 06:02 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:58 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:55 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:53 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:47 farnham wrote:On July 22 2011 05:40 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:35 Charger wrote:On July 22 2011 05:25 FreezerJumps wrote:
I don't support Eve, because she doesn't deserve what she's been given. I don't support Jessica, because she's given an opportunity to someone far less deserving than the masters and gransmasters players who have done far more to earn a contract.
But I also don't support the people who are saying anything worse than what I just said, nor do I support any of the supposed hatred and pictures which I haven't seen. Yeah, ladder ranking is all that people should consider when giving someone an opportunity to play on a team................. :o edit - Go SlayerS! And go BoxeR!!!!!!! <3 I didn't mean to imply that ladder ranking was the only important factor, but I do think it's quite a bit more important than gender and looks, which have been explicitly stated as reasons why she was added to the team.If you were in grandmasters on KR, playing against professionals, how would you feel when your chance to join a team is taken by someone else because she's a girl and you're a guy? I know a lot of people support affirmative action in e-Sports, but I'm not one of them. yes this is why people have to check their information is this information comes from thisisgame.com it was a speculation of the journalist not an actual statement of the team check it for yourself : http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=703754&category=102 From the OP: She was not selected through the pro-gamer casting system, but she is someone I selected for the team to help start having female competitors in Starcraft 2 Maybe I was wrong about the looks part, but my point stands. Gender shouldn't be a factor at all. Why shouldn't gender be a factor? It's their team, and they want to do more than just make a strong team - they want to help e-Sports grow. If you watched BoxeR's Wings, you'd see the sheer amount of passion and effort Jessica and BoxeR put into creating their team. Finding sponsors, finding a team house, all while Jessica took care of BoxeR while BoxeR practiced for the GSL. And after all that hard work from scratch, suddenly they can't recruit whoever they damn well please? What's with this idealistic sense of entitlement? They can pick whomever they want. All I've said is that I don't support those decisions. Eve hasn't earned anything. By your logic, one could argue that, for example, SlayerS picking up Alicia was also an unfair decision that you wouldn't support. Alicia lost in the recruitment tournament, yet BoxeR picked him up anyway because apparently he encountered Alicia on the ladder or something and saw potential in him. In other words, Alicia didn't make it into SlayerS because of just being good (having lost in the recruitment tournament) - he made it in because he was lucky enough to run into BoxeR in the past so that BoxeR could form a good opinion of him. There very well may have been plenty of other more-deserving players (if you go by skill as the only factor for deserving recruitment). And, you definitely don't "earn" BoxeR evaluating you as someone with potential - you simply have that potential or you don't. Thus, I don't really see how "earning" recruitment has to do with anything. Alicia was recruited for skill and potential, which are important. Eve was picked up because she's a girl, which is not important.
Except Eve also won a female tournament, meaning that skill definitely came into consideration. It's not like SlayerS would just pick up some Bronze-league girl (which they would do, if they ONLY cared about gender). And how do you know that they didn't also see potential in Eve?
Quoted DIRECTLY from the OP:
It has been less than a month since Eve joined the team. She was not selected through the pro-gamer casting system, but she is someone I selected for the team to help start having female competitors in Starcraft 2, after seeing that she had sufficient potential.
Sounds like potential also came into consideration.
I feel like you're looking at the gender angle so intently because it's the most glaring issue, that you forget that skill and potential did indeed also come into play.
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On July 22 2011 06:02 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:58 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:55 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:53 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:47 farnham wrote:On July 22 2011 05:40 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:35 Charger wrote:On July 22 2011 05:25 FreezerJumps wrote:
I don't support Eve, because she doesn't deserve what she's been given. I don't support Jessica, because she's given an opportunity to someone far less deserving than the masters and gransmasters players who have done far more to earn a contract.
But I also don't support the people who are saying anything worse than what I just said, nor do I support any of the supposed hatred and pictures which I haven't seen. Yeah, ladder ranking is all that people should consider when giving someone an opportunity to play on a team................. :o edit - Go SlayerS! And go BoxeR!!!!!!! <3 I didn't mean to imply that ladder ranking was the only important factor, but I do think it's quite a bit more important than gender and looks, which have been explicitly stated as reasons why she was added to the team.If you were in grandmasters on KR, playing against professionals, how would you feel when your chance to join a team is taken by someone else because she's a girl and you're a guy? I know a lot of people support affirmative action in e-Sports, but I'm not one of them. yes this is why people have to check their information is this information comes from thisisgame.com it was a speculation of the journalist not an actual statement of the team check it for yourself : http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=703754&category=102 From the OP: She was not selected through the pro-gamer casting system, but she is someone I selected for the team to help start having female competitors in Starcraft 2 Maybe I was wrong about the looks part, but my point stands. Gender shouldn't be a factor at all. Why shouldn't gender be a factor? It's their team, and they want to do more than just make a strong team - they want to help e-Sports grow. If you watched BoxeR's Wings, you'd see the sheer amount of passion and effort Jessica and BoxeR put into creating their team. Finding sponsors, finding a team house, all while Jessica took care of BoxeR while BoxeR practiced for the GSL. And after all that hard work from scratch, suddenly they can't recruit whoever they damn well please? What's with this idealistic sense of entitlement? They can pick whomever they want. All I've said is that I don't support those decisions. Eve hasn't earned anything. By your logic, one could argue that, for example, SlayerS picking up Alicia was also an unfair decision that you wouldn't support. Alicia lost in the recruitment tournament, yet BoxeR picked him up anyway because apparently he encountered Alicia on the ladder or something and saw potential in him. In other words, Alicia didn't make it into SlayerS because of just being good (having lost in the recruitment tournament) - he made it in because he was lucky enough to run into BoxeR in the past so that BoxeR could form a good opinion of him. There very well may have been plenty of other more-deserving players (if you go by skill as the only factor for deserving recruitment). And, you definitely don't "earn" BoxeR evaluating you as someone with potential - you simply have that potential or you don't. Thus, I don't really see how "earning" recruitment has to do with anything.
I think it was because Jessica thought Alicia was a girl..
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On July 22 2011 05:41 ranshaked wrote:
Well written but I still disagree with you for blocking me on twitter. You're still an over reActive typical female. I wasn't being rude to you. You've lost my following by jumping to conclusions with me. You are a hypocrite.
She isn't a professional. (eve). She's a gimmick as we would call it in America. It's a monetary and organized push for something that will never be. My team does it as well. In fact last night I allowed a female to start in the league match because of the same reason. Sex appeal and the glamor of a woman player.
This happens every day and it's pathetic to waste court resources when their are many other serious issues going on.
Your first sentence destroys everything your write after.
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Good luck eve, jessica, and the rest of slayers. Fuck the haters 
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On July 22 2011 06:01 FreezerJumps wrote:
Fine, if it's going to be like that, I'll remove examples and make this as definitive as possible. Slayers has limited resources. Eve consumes those resources. There are fewer resources left for others.
that's why SlayerS needs to spawn more overlords and keep their SCV production up
/bad joke
the whole world is consuming more resources, especially the US, not exactly Korea, so there's fewer resources left for the rest of the world.
Now what.
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Thanks Jessica for caring about us as a foreign community. I'm totally supportive of what you are doing, and wish you good luck in the matter. I have no doubt Eve will become great by being on your team.
SlayerS fighting!
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On July 22 2011 06:08 JLew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 06:02 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:58 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:55 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:53 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:47 farnham wrote:On July 22 2011 05:40 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:35 Charger wrote:On July 22 2011 05:25 FreezerJumps wrote:
I don't support Eve, because she doesn't deserve what she's been given. I don't support Jessica, because she's given an opportunity to someone far less deserving than the masters and gransmasters players who have done far more to earn a contract.
But I also don't support the people who are saying anything worse than what I just said, nor do I support any of the supposed hatred and pictures which I haven't seen. Yeah, ladder ranking is all that people should consider when giving someone an opportunity to play on a team................. :o edit - Go SlayerS! And go BoxeR!!!!!!! <3 I didn't mean to imply that ladder ranking was the only important factor, but I do think it's quite a bit more important than gender and looks, which have been explicitly stated as reasons why she was added to the team.If you were in grandmasters on KR, playing against professionals, how would you feel when your chance to join a team is taken by someone else because she's a girl and you're a guy? I know a lot of people support affirmative action in e-Sports, but I'm not one of them. yes this is why people have to check their information is this information comes from thisisgame.com it was a speculation of the journalist not an actual statement of the team check it for yourself : http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=703754&category=102 From the OP: She was not selected through the pro-gamer casting system, but she is someone I selected for the team to help start having female competitors in Starcraft 2 Maybe I was wrong about the looks part, but my point stands. Gender shouldn't be a factor at all. Why shouldn't gender be a factor? It's their team, and they want to do more than just make a strong team - they want to help e-Sports grow. If you watched BoxeR's Wings, you'd see the sheer amount of passion and effort Jessica and BoxeR put into creating their team. Finding sponsors, finding a team house, all while Jessica took care of BoxeR while BoxeR practiced for the GSL. And after all that hard work from scratch, suddenly they can't recruit whoever they damn well please? What's with this idealistic sense of entitlement? They can pick whomever they want. All I've said is that I don't support those decisions. Eve hasn't earned anything. By your logic, one could argue that, for example, SlayerS picking up Alicia was also an unfair decision that you wouldn't support. Alicia lost in the recruitment tournament, yet BoxeR picked him up anyway because apparently he encountered Alicia on the ladder or something and saw potential in him. In other words, Alicia didn't make it into SlayerS because of just being good (having lost in the recruitment tournament) - he made it in because he was lucky enough to run into BoxeR in the past so that BoxeR could form a good opinion of him. There very well may have been plenty of other more-deserving players (if you go by skill as the only factor for deserving recruitment). And, you definitely don't "earn" BoxeR evaluating you as someone with potential - you simply have that potential or you don't. Thus, I don't really see how "earning" recruitment has to do with anything. I think it was because Jessica thought Alicia was a girl..
Haha, well played.
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On July 22 2011 06:07 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 06:05 TokyoDown wrote:
Signing girl gamers is awesome. I think more teams should look into it as long as their at the appropriate skill level. EvE is not on that level. For Slayers, this is a good move to bring in media, and a better vibe to the whole Slayers organization. I just don't think suddenly signing a "ametuer" for the sake of being original, and diverse is a good idea.
I do condemn all those for the hate mail, and humiliating a innocent girl. In any circumstance, you should never send hate mail. What is that going to accomplish? People that send hate mail need to look in the mirror. Hyporcrits.
SO, Eve happens to be Diamond in Korea... I can guarantee you that she is able to beat GM's from NA and Europe.....
I would take that bet..
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On July 22 2011 06:05 FreezerJumps wrote:
Alicia was recruited for skill and potential, which are important. Eve was picked up because she's a girl, which is not important.
Eve was recruited for skill, potential, looks, and being a girl.
At least include all the factors, instead of just listing one and pretending that was the sole consideration.
And if it's important to Slayers, that's their choice. Why should you care how they run their team? It's not as if she has played any matches, or taken someones spot in foreign tournaments, or anything ...
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I'm in full support of Jessica. The other thread had so many posts that made me extremely angry and extremely sad at the same time... It's just... i don't find any words for that, "disgusting" is just not strong enough.
It makes you really wonder how mankind ever managed to climb down from the trees.
Jessica and Boxer FIGHTING! Eve HWAITING!
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On July 22 2011 06:07 SpaceYeti wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 06:05 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 06:02 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:58 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:55 HolyArrow wrote:On July 22 2011 05:53 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:47 farnham wrote:On July 22 2011 05:40 FreezerJumps wrote:On July 22 2011 05:35 Charger wrote:On July 22 2011 05:25 FreezerJumps wrote:
I don't support Eve, because she doesn't deserve what she's been given. I don't support Jessica, because she's given an opportunity to someone far less deserving than the masters and gransmasters players who have done far more to earn a contract.
But I also don't support the people who are saying anything worse than what I just said, nor do I support any of the supposed hatred and pictures which I haven't seen. Yeah, ladder ranking is all that people should consider when giving someone an opportunity to play on a team................. :o edit - Go SlayerS! And go BoxeR!!!!!!! <3 I didn't mean to imply that ladder ranking was the only important factor, but I do think it's quite a bit more important than gender and looks, which have been explicitly stated as reasons why she was added to the team.If you were in grandmasters on KR, playing against professionals, how would you feel when your chance to join a team is taken by someone else because she's a girl and you're a guy? I know a lot of people support affirmative action in e-Sports, but I'm not one of them. yes this is why people have to check their information is this information comes from thisisgame.com it was a speculation of the journalist not an actual statement of the team check it for yourself : http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=703754&category=102 From the OP: She was not selected through the pro-gamer casting system, but she is someone I selected for the team to help start having female competitors in Starcraft 2 Maybe I was wrong about the looks part, but my point stands. Gender shouldn't be a factor at all. Why shouldn't gender be a factor? It's their team, and they want to do more than just make a strong team - they want to help e-Sports grow. If you watched BoxeR's Wings, you'd see the sheer amount of passion and effort Jessica and BoxeR put into creating their team. Finding sponsors, finding a team house, all while Jessica took care of BoxeR while BoxeR practiced for the GSL. And after all that hard work from scratch, suddenly they can't recruit whoever they damn well please? What's with this idealistic sense of entitlement? They can pick whomever they want. All I've said is that I don't support those decisions. Eve hasn't earned anything. By your logic, one could argue that, for example, SlayerS picking up Alicia was also an unfair decision that you wouldn't support. Alicia lost in the recruitment tournament, yet BoxeR picked him up anyway because apparently he encountered Alicia on the ladder or something and saw potential in him. In other words, Alicia didn't make it into SlayerS because of just being good (having lost in the recruitment tournament) - he made it in because he was lucky enough to run into BoxeR in the past so that BoxeR could form a good opinion of him. There very well may have been plenty of other more-deserving players (if you go by skill as the only factor for deserving recruitment). And, you definitely don't "earn" BoxeR evaluating you as someone with potential - you simply have that potential or you don't. Thus, I don't really see how "earning" recruitment has to do with anything. Alicia was recruited for skill and potential, which are important. Eve was picked up because she's a girl, which is not important. Unless, of course, you're goal is to explicitly promote eSports amongst females.
From a business point, expanding the market to female is actually extremely important as there exist more females than males in the world....
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On July 22 2011 05:13 Exclamator wrote:
The SC2 scene is being treated as some sort of soap opera. I am sick of it.
Jessica, I think you might be suffering from schizophrenia.
I think your first paragraph should talk to the second one. If you are sick of it, stop trying to make it worse.
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So the argument eve is that she's taking up resources, aka time/money? Yet her key role is in marketability which brings in even more resources for the team, so where's the problem?
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On July 22 2011 06:01 FreezerJumps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:58 darksage78 wrote:
Eve takes up resources, which means these are fewer resources for other players. Whoever practices with her is going to get next to nothing from the practice, because she's not good enough to put up a fight. She's also going to take up coaching time that would be better used on the players who are actually competing.
I'm also guessing the SlayerS house has a finite capacity, so Eve being there means someone else can't be.
Wow that's a lot of speculation on how their team operates. Do we even know if Eve is staying at the SlayerS house? We know that SlayerS Dragon isn't. If you're going to assume that whoever practices with her isn't going to gain anything then MC, Nestea, etc probably shouldn't bother with anyone that haven't placed well in tournaments? That's a pretty grim way to look at things. Fine, if it's going to be like that, I'll remove examples and make this as definitive as possible. Slayers has limited resources. Eve consumes those resources. There are fewer resources left for others.
Even so, there are plenty of teams both foreign and Korean with under performing players. Aren't they taking up resources? Shouldn't they be booted in place for better players? I don't think so but those decisions are up to the managers of the individual teams.
By your logic there shouldn't be welfare or social security programs. I don't know about you, but as we are both Canadians - I'm thankful for my free healthcare.
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