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On July 21 2011 16:06 Rebel_ wrote:
umm wow that is something... never seen that coming from a mile away... first FXO got fOu to join them, now Puma is going to EG... damn, what is going on in korea ? Foreigners are taking over....
It was the other way around, fOu made a deal and FXO just couldn't pass on it.
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this is kind of like a friend agreeing to attend your b-day party but drops out at the last minute because the cool kid next door invited him to his party.
he didn't break any laws or anything but he's kind of a dick.
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On July 21 2011 16:03 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:01 .kv wrote:
the Yankees of SC2 lol
this is a sick addition to EG the Yankees only have 1 top player? these sports analogies are getting weaker and weaker. just stop trying.
You obviously don't get what he is referring to  although it is still not the best analogy. He just means they are the "yankees of sc2" because the are essentially buying players with unparalleled funding. Or at least that is the speculation. It has nothing to do with the players themselves or their skill or anything close to that.
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On July 21 2011 16:06 Grr Arr Rawr wrote:
Korean players have already started to leave for foreign teams - Puma isn't the first. While it seems there is more money to be made overseas for Korean players in SC2, it's not the only incentive for them. Every Korean player I've seen interviewed after a foreign tournament has talked about how blown away they were by the fans and their support/cheers. Given those two things (more money + more fans), it's not surprising at all that many players would love the chance to compete more outside of Korea.
This. At Columbus the Koreans were mobbed by fans everywhere they went, and they had permanent smiles on their faces for the most part. When the level of popularity they receive from foreigners is coupled with a higher salary it's no wonder they're deciding to leave Korean teams.
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Watch Puma's skill level drop like mad soon.
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On July 21 2011 16:07 taLbuk wrote:seriously man? come on...
what? i lost all respect for him after hearing this, too. nobody likes Lebron James, or sports analogies.
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On July 21 2011 16:07 gregnog wrote:
After reading that TSL had no written contract with Puma... I can't be angry about this at all. What a joke to think that Korean managers can keep the best talent in the world with nothing but "honor". Pay him the going rate, or he will leave your team. Maybe there was something behind the scenes where Puma was basically feeling this same way.
Don't take that as fact cause it's from a random PlayXP commenter...it would be like taking half this false BS in this thread and treating it as fact.
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On July 21 2011 16:03 taLbuk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:02 youngminii wrote:
What a fucking joke. EG has no respect, I have no respect for EG.
Good job making SC2 look like a joke. this is a gem, how bout you wait for more facts before forming such a ridiculous opinion
What facts?
I'm pretty sure TSL knows if they had a player contracted to them or not, and they obviously have some reason to be upset.
Yeah, EG will probably come up with a "statement" of their own, but we've already seen several times in the past how "honest" EG can be. I would not call that "more facts", rather a cover-up story (probably already in the making).
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On July 21 2011 16:07 taLbuk wrote:seriously man? come on...
YOU WANT TO GET MORE MONEY, THEREFORE I HATE YOU FOR NO REASON!
no but really posts like these are terrible.
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lol @ everyone hating on EG in this thread
This is how the real world works. This is business. This is what happens. There aren't leagues with CBAs and unions for the players, so it's just like any other employer. They can be courted and it's not bad ethics, it's. just. business. Pay him more and he won't stray. If you ever want to see e-sports expand, you need to see competitive salaries for players.
HOWEVER, if Puma breached a contract or EG may have possibly engaged in illegal conduct (and I highly doubt they did), then TSL should pursue legal avenues. They did not. Instead, they voluntarily released their player. Let him out of the contract on their own decision. If they do that, they should keep their mouth shut and move on.
It ends there. It's business and the korean team couldn't compete with what the US team offered. This fostered spirit of competition (in the market, not in SC2 games themselves) is exactly what e-sports needs if y'all want it to grow.
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On July 21 2011 16:06 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:01 TBO wrote:On July 21 2011 15:55 SmOkeYNaGaTa wrote:"There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this" If teams wish to keep their players, then write a contract. The player gets room, board, a modest salary possibly in exchange for 6 months to a year of loyalty. Problem with this is that a contract won't help if your player wants to leave. Sure you can keep him and keep paying his salary but he won't perform to his normal level. That's also probably the reason TSL straight out decided to release him from his contract. Nonononono Nonono Let me fill you in on Koreans. Koreans have a level of kinship deeper than westerners. If you get together as a team, you will become very close. The coach is a father figure and he wanted what would make Puma happy. If Puma wanted to go and join another team then the coach would let him. This doesn't change the fact that EG is a complete joke of a team who didn't respect TSL as a team, didn't respect SC2 as a sport, didn't respect the Korean culture and they certainly don't respect Puma. The worst part is Puma had such a bright future ahead of him too. lol my korean genes are kicking in for the whole respect thing ==;;
Seems like typical EG to me.
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On July 21 2011 16:08 Steelavocado wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!? HOLY TITS!!!!
I was just saying the other day that EG needed somemore terran power. With puma as a training partner, IdrA will be the best player in the world.
EG/IdrA/Puma FIGHTING
no he won't be. one amazing practice partner doesn't improve you in every matchup, stop jumping to conclusions
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On July 21 2011 16:06 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:01 TBO wrote:On July 21 2011 15:55 SmOkeYNaGaTa wrote:"There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this" If teams wish to keep their players, then write a contract. The player gets room, board, a modest salary possibly in exchange for 6 months to a year of loyalty. Problem with this is that a contract won't help if your player wants to leave. Sure you can keep him and keep paying his salary but he won't perform to his normal level. That's also probably the reason TSL straight out decided to release him from his contract. Nonononono Nonono Let me fill you in on Koreans. Koreans have a level of kinship deeper than westerners. If you get together as a team, you will become very close. The coach is a father figure and he wanted what would make Puma happy. If Puma wanted to go and join another team then the coach would let him. This doesn't change the fact that EG is a complete joke of a team who didn't respect TSL as a team, didn't respect SC2 as a sport, didn't respect the Korean culture and they certainly don't respect Puma. The worst part is Puma had such a bright future ahead of him too. lol my korean genes are kicking in for the whole respect thing ==;;
QUOTED FOR TRUTH. People need to be looking at this issue through their lens.
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I feel really bad for Coach Lee....he is really cool
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What will happen to Puma? Is he staying in Korea somewhere? Or will he move to the EG house? Who will he practice with if he stays in Korea?
Puma obviously got a good deal from EG, but if TSL really wanted to keep him, they could have offered him the salary of FruitDealer.
Also, EG should have at least contacted the team before they did this, not that that would have changed much.
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On July 21 2011 16:07 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:03 SourD wrote:
been lurking at playxp.com for koreans reaction to this (im korean born and raised)
people are saying Puma just let the coach know that he is leaving for EG and just packed his things and left on the 20th without any discussion of this matter.
also, it seems like there was no written contract signed with TSL.
with that, of course the coach had no choice but to announce his release.
this was from just a forum so take it for what it is.
That actually makes a lot of sense. People assuming that this was a "steal" or "easy maneuver" need a little more experience in business (not meant to be condescending). Doesn't make sense for Puma to leave TSL unless there were already issues with the team. FD, trickster and rain leaving COULD be indicative of internal problems. If Puma really didnt have a binding/written contract with TSL, then thats even more hliarious. If TSL was really developing Puma and keeping him happy this would have never happened. To me, this looks terrible for TSL's management and the way they run their team.
How do you 'release' someone not under contract? What exactly are you releasing them from?
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On July 21 2011 16:06 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:01 TBO wrote:On July 21 2011 15:55 SmOkeYNaGaTa wrote:"There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this" If teams wish to keep their players, then write a contract. The player gets room, board, a modest salary possibly in exchange for 6 months to a year of loyalty. Problem with this is that a contract won't help if your player wants to leave. Sure you can keep him and keep paying his salary but he won't perform to his normal level. That's also probably the reason TSL straight out decided to release him from his contract. Nonononono Nonono Let me fill you in on Koreans. Koreans have a level of kinship deeper than westerners. If you get together as a team, you will become very close. The coach is a father figure and he wanted what would make Puma happy. If Puma wanted to go and join another team then the coach would let him. This doesn't change the fact that EG is a complete joke of a team who didn't respect TSL as a team, didn't respect SC2 as a sport, didn't respect the Korean culture and they certainly don't respect Puma. The worst part is Puma had such a bright future ahead of him too. lol my korean genes are kicking in for the whole respect thing ==;;
lol im sorry but in what way did EG disrespect SC2, and disrespect Puma..... all they did was make a business deal with Puma, and i don't see what difference it would have made if EG had decided to go to the coaches first....
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On July 21 2011 16:02 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 15:19 deth2munkies wrote:
This is classic Western vs Eastern thinking colliding. On most Western teams, the players have much more autonomy than Eastern teams. It seems to me that the coaches are pissed because they felt like the player was going over their heads, when a Western team wouldn't necessarily be bothered for that reason (although others may exist in a sketchy deal like this).
I don't see anything wrong with it, good players should always be courted by everyone and it's up to them to decide where they actually want to go. even in 'western way of thinking' you dont see Bulls or Rockets manager go to LeBrown James at a tourneys and offer him to join them. You would need to go to the proper channel if you want to have him
Haha the Rockets actually travelled to Chris Bosh's home on Day 1 of free agency to directly woo him (didn't work).
Anyways, I think that EG should've definitely contacted TSL over Puma, I guess they contacted Puma because Incontrol is huge in NASL and he's from EG. Puma's huge at NASL. Obviously there will be ALOT of contact between the two. That's probably where it hit off.
I wonder what Puma is going to think being on the same team and training with Idra, lol.
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No more Puma in the GSTL is gonna be pretty disappointing. Kinda sad to since TSL just started looking like a great team again. Hopefully they pull through in the GSTL.
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On July 21 2011 16:06 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:04 IceSlipper wrote:On July 21 2011 16:01 Corrosive wrote:
I dont understand what the big deal is since TSL LET PUMA OUT OF HIS CONTRACT Like they had a choice? Why would they keep someone who no longer has any interest at all in staying on the team? Have a think before you post such nonsense.. You think TSL just let puma out of his contract for no reason and EG signed him before any other team? Thats obviously not what took place.. EG clearly poached puma, then when TSL found out they had no choice but to let their player go.. It's a question of professionalism and contractual obligations but it's also one of respect, and EG doing this make foreign teams look bad/shady IMO.
But that's something you've injected yourself - or rather, believed from manager Lee. Surely this event can only tell us about TSL and EG, not Korean teams and foreign teams.
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