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On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
Dan you and I know that is only a half truth. FD and Tester wanted out and those two helped build TSL.
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Holy shit 335 pages! This was a shitstorm :o
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Im really dissapointed in EG after listening to WOC. Pretty much he admits that he cant financially afford a korean progamer when he asks teams for a quote and he cant afford buying a team like fxo and he wont stand for a halfway meet like SK-OGS so instead he goes for an unsalaried player on a team thats restructuring after losing 3 core members when said player is about to make a breakout in NASL. EG then expects that players should inform the teams of their offer despite directly contacting teams before when they wanted to sign a contracted player.
Then he goes on and says that he feels ethically and legally justified in his actions. Because thats how teams are run in "international esports".
I do agree with milkis that this was probably for the better because its a wakeup call for teams to be more proffessional but I understand why milkis hates how Alex almost wants a draconian KESPA 2.0 to setup in Korea so they are doomed to fail internationally and the only people that win are outsiders like IDRA who leave the system after b-teaming for little money for years, and the G7 who can pretend to be esports torchbearers when they really just cherrypick players instead of creating the infrastructure to make good players.
What TSL did to their players was admirable and naive. A relaxed practice environment where they could offer you accomodation and food where you can keep your earnings and when things get better for the team, a salary and a contract. But I fear now everyone is going to be signed on 1 year unpaid contracts that cant be renogotiated even if they end up being the next PUMA and win a nasl/gsl. For a team like TSL who arent doing well it could well be something even worse like 2 or 3 years.
What outsiders like Alex probably do understand and completely abuse is the cycle in how teams support themselves. TSL does poor their funding gets cut and their pay goes lower. TSL does well and things get better. TSL was doing poorly waiting for a breakout so they could hopefully better their team conditions then EG catches them midcycle and takes their upcoming player with an offer that is obviously better than his current situation cos the eg accountants have been planning the acquirement of a korean player(snipe) for months.
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On July 22 2011 20:57 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. Dan you and I know that is only a half truth. FD and Tester wanted out and those two helped build TSL.
Does that change what he said regarding deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing?
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On July 22 2011 19:19 monXikk wrote:
Seriously i have lost all respect to Coach Lee, TSL and even Milkis after those translates, interviews and show. Can't believe how whiny Mamabear is. I bet he still raging on playxp but i don't care anymore, small hint: contract your players and treat them well. This guy doesnt deserve to be in Esports imo. And TSL doesn't deserve to be a team we support. Fuck their sponsors, oh wait.
I see people whining about EG and djWHEAT not deserving to be in Esports.
I see people whining about Lee, TSL and Milkis not deserving to be in Esports.
I wish all this random poster would reflect on what they themselves have done for Esports and remain silent, you are just being dumb.
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Could be misreading the situation, and lots of information could also be left out still, but the situation reminds me a lot of incontrol's repeated remarks on SotG and other places that he thinks sc2 should skew toward the player and the individual in terms of rights and choices rather than a team or an association/business.
I can certainly see why the coach would be upset that he's losing the player without being contacted, but it is the player, the talent, that chooses where they go. Not their coach. I feel like it should be up to the player whether or not they explain themselves and their decision to their team and coach and fans. Of course, it would be the most appropriate and mature way to handle this from a player's perspective, to discuss it with the coach beforehand. But if that player has a poor enough relationship with the coach such that they don't feel the need to consult them or explain the situation, that's between the coach and the player and no one else. I bring this up because of the comments from the coach that foreigners are "stealing" their players. I found that to be a rather naive or perhaps just plain offensive angle to take for this situation.
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On July 22 2011 21:05 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 20:57 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. Dan you and I know that is only a half truth. FD and Tester wanted out and those two helped build TSL. Does that change what he said regarding deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing?
Yes it does because FD and Tester left on their own accord. Not Lee's.
-_-
All Rekrul is doing is spreading oil on a shimmering fire and now it will probably go on for another 100 pages.
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On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
More drama?! This week is crazy.
I didn't know about Lee stealing Fruitdealer and Tester from oGs. :O
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On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
Oh snap, this shit just got real.
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No it didn't. All Dan is doing is egging you guys on.
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Either he is saying something truthful or he is saying something anyone else would get banned for saying.
You should probably explain why he is wrong if you want us to not take him seriously.
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On July 22 2011 21:11 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 21:05 Jiddra wrote:On July 22 2011 20:57 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. Dan you and I know that is only a half truth. FD and Tester wanted out and those two helped build TSL. Does that change what he said regarding deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing? Yes it does because FD and Tester left on their own accord. Not Lee's. -_- All Rekrul is doing is spreading oil on a shimmering fire and now it will probably go on for another 100 pages.
I hope Rekrul knows what he is talking about, it is a very loaded statement in this thread. I have a hard time beliving that he thought that FD and Tester was forced to leave oGs by some devilish plot by Coach Lee.
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On July 22 2011 21:11 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 21:05 Jiddra wrote:On July 22 2011 20:57 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. Dan you and I know that is only a half truth. FD and Tester wanted out and those two helped build TSL. Does that change what he said regarding deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing? Yes it does because FD and Tester left on their own accord. Not Lee's. -_- All Rekrul is doing is spreading oil on a shimmering fire and now it will probably go on for another 100 pages.
Puma left of his own accord, he is not currently contracted to EG.
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FYI, under U.S. law, it would be illegal for managers of e-sports teams to make agreements with one another not to poach each others players (employees, essentially). The reasoning for this, of course, is because allowing such agreements would be anti-competitive, restricting the ability of employees to receive competitive offers for their services.
If e-sports is going to thrive it needs to follow the basic business (and legal) principles that run every industry in the world.
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On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch.
Hahahaha I miss these Rekrul posts. Quiet for so long and then drops a bomb of inside information. This keeps getting better.
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"Puma has not signed a contract with EG yet"
Just means that they didnt have time yet to sign it yet, they basically already got him just havent made it official.
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On July 22 2011 21:40 Pred8oar wrote:
"Puma has not signed a contract with EG yet"
Just means that they didnt have time yet to sign it yet, they basically already got him just havent made it official.
idk. i have a bad feeling that all this bad media will make puma feel bad and not sign....i wish i could tell him to SIGN THE PAPERS NOAI!!
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I see a lot of Koreans being boarder line racist over this and it's kind of sad. Calling westerners scumbags and saying that we have no morals. Personally I love our economic philosophy over here in the United States and why the hell shouldn't the best players be playing for the team that can give them the best offer? All I see in this topic are a bunch of people who don't know what the hell they're talking about(Like most online debates) and a bunch of Koreans that got a wake up call and figured out 'Oh shit, there are actually foreign teams out there now that are not only capable but are also very willing to offer players much better deals than Korean teams are'. Hi Korea, this is America and while we didn't make much of a splash in eSports in the past we have always had amazing businesses here that are willing to throw absurd amounts of cash into competitive sports and teams. Personally I hope this trend continues and many more amazing players move to teams that are willing to give their players a legitimate contract and real pay over the "Good faith deal" and pocket change they're getting right now.
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wow this is crazy, EG is gonna be dominating the foreign team leagues !
f5f5f5
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On July 22 2011 21:40 Pred8oar wrote:
"Puma has not signed a contract with EG yet"
Just means that they didnt have time yet to sign it yet, they basically already got him just havent made it official.
You must be some kind of e-sport business spy to know all that
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