Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 337

On July 22 2011 22:43 BilltownRunner wrote:
Sucks for EG that Lee makes a ton of drama over his own player leaving and then EG is to blame.

On July 22 2011 22:45 DiamondTear wrote:
I thought TL-users were against the likes of kespa dominating players. Now they're upset that a team didn't get a say in a playing leaving them.

More power to the players, I say.

On July 22 2011 22:21 rotegirte wrote:


No there is no circle. PumA asked them not to do it. End of story.

1) Things were far from settled. Initial contact has been made at NASL finals. PumA specifically asked them to leave it to him to talk to his coach first. Most probably the reason behind that was PumA felt he had the obligation to due to his close relationship with Lee. That too is KR culture, that a student ought to counsel with his coach.

2) There were two things to do for EG:
a. Respect PumA's suggestion, let him talk to Lee first and see how it went. PumA reported the talks went well.
b. Disrespect PumA's request and contact Lee anyway. Then it would have been all "PumA, they say they talked to you about a transfer. Why didn't you come to me first?"

Lee and TSL will be hurt regardless. They are about to loose a player. At the end of the day, PumA wanted out of TSL, and no course would have changed that.

On July 22 2011 22:21 rotegirte wrote:


No there is no circle. PumA asked them not to do it. End of story.

1) Things were far from settled. Initial contact has been made at NASL finals. PumA specifically asked them to leave it to him to talk to his coach first. Most probably the reason behind that was PumA felt he had the obligation to due to his close relationship with Lee. That too is KR culture, that a student ought to counsel with his coach.

2) There were two things to do for EG:
a. Respect PumA's suggestion, let him talk to Lee first and see how it went. PumA reported the talks went well.
b. Disrespect PumA's request and contact Lee anyway. Then it would have been all "PumA, they say they talked to you about a transfer. Why didn't you come to me first?"

Lee and TSL will be hurt regardless. They are about to loose a player. At the end of the day, PumA wanted out of TSL, and no course would have changed that.

On July 22 2011 22:46 Zylix wrote:


Sucks for Milkis who is only a translator and is blamed by EG.

On July 22 2011 23:02 Benjef wrote:
Has EG put out an Official Text statement yet?

On July 22 2011 23:06 canikizu wrote:

But after the news was out, why wait forever to release statement (not even release it yet...). If EG is so sincere about it, they must know that they upset TSL, and why not make a statement or send coach Lee some kind of mail to inform and explain it out of courtesy. '

Don't tell me it's how business works. Business is based on mutual interest, where you expect to do business with the same partners again and again in the future. If you sell something and doesn't expect the customers to comeback to complain/feedback, or hide from them, that calls shady/scammy

On July 22 2011 23:09 Whiteman103 wrote:



AG stated many times on WOC he was not blaming Milkis and said if Milkis was offended or anything he apologizes. Yes Milkis is a Translator by title but when when u post something on that scale. The way the Community will respond leads into Milkis beginning to be more then just a Translator and somewhat being a journalist. Thats just how the TL is Community is. Forum driven journalism thats all he was saying not blaming Milkis AG just picked a wrong time to bring up that topic/issue.

On July 22 2011 22:46 Zylix wrote:


Sucks for Milkis who is only a translator and is blamed by EG.

On July 22 2011 23:11 zeru wrote:

Like said before many times, saying "no offense" right before saying something offensive, does not make it not offensive.

On July 22 2011 23:17 pdd wrote:

Not only was it the wrong time, it was the wrong person to bring it up to, and frankly just unnecessary. If he had issues with it, he should have just brought it to TL to discuss this, without directly pointing a finger at anyone. The way he phrased it made it sound like he was being extremely picky on Milkis for bringing about bad PR to his team, when Milkis was no way at fault, and did anything a regular translator would do.

If anything he should have quelled the shitstorm himself by issuing a quicker press release. Now he's made himself look like bigger villain, and funnily enough, after he had issued EG's statement on the original issue.

There's nothing wrong with how EG approached Puma I guess, but from a PR standpoint, the way he handled the situation was just arrogant.

On July 22 2011 22:45 DiamondTear wrote:
I thought TL-users were against the likes of kespa dominating players. Now they're upset that a team didn't get a say in a playing leaving them.

More power to the players, I say.

On July 22 2011 20:59 T0fuuu wrote:
Im really dissapointed in EG after listening to WOC. Pretty much he admits that he cant financially afford a korean progamer when he asks teams for a quote and he cant afford buying a team like fxo and he wont stand for a halfway meet like SK-OGS so instead he goes for an unsalaried player on a team thats restructuring after losing 3 core members when said player is about to make a breakout in NASL. EG then expects that players should inform the teams of their offer despite directly contacting teams before when they wanted to sign a contracted player.

Then he goes on and says that he feels ethically and legally justified in his actions. Because thats how teams are run in "international esports".

I do agree with milkis that this was probably for the better because its a wakeup call for teams to be more proffessional but I understand why milkis hates how Alex almost wants a draconian KESPA 2.0 to setup in Korea so they are doomed to fail internationally and the only people that win are outsiders like IDRA who leave the system after b-teaming for little money for years, and the G7 who can pretend to be esports torchbearers when they really just cherrypick players instead of creating the infrastructure to make good players.

What TSL did to their players was admirable and naive. A relaxed practice environment where they could offer you accomodation and food where you can keep your earnings and when things get better for the team, a salary and a contract. But I fear now everyone is going to be signed on 1 year unpaid contracts that cant be renogotiated even if they end up being the next PUMA and win a nasl/gsl. For a team like TSL who arent doing well it could well be something even worse like 2 or 3 years.

What outsiders like Alex probably do understand and completely abuse is the cycle in how teams support themselves. TSL does poor their funding gets cut and their pay goes lower. TSL does well and things get better. TSL was doing poorly waiting for a breakout so they could hopefully better their team conditions then EG catches them midcycle and takes their upcoming player with an offer that is obviously better than his current situation cos the eg accountants have been planning the acquirement of a korean player(snipe) for months.