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xarthaz
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cHicKeLoR
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maybe we get to see him in gsl or gstl in the future... ) | ||
shucklesors
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Namu
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Antisocialmunky
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 18 2011 23:26 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Uhhh... These kids knew to fast expand, and beta was there to figure out the most efficient timings for that. SC2 built off of the strong cores from BW and all that was needed to be determined was timings. If you think SC2 is back where BW was in say, 2001, in terms of metagame development - you're dead wrong. The SC2 metagame hardly picked up where BW left off, but it's been advancing much faster, I think. But to say there hasn't been a lot of change is....wrong. Remember when a Zerg with 4 bases was a Zerg who'd won, because late-game zerg was unstoppable? Remember when SCV-marine allins were standard TvZ? Remember when a Protoss with 200 supply versus a Zerg was a protoss who'd won, because late-game Protoss was unstoppable? Remember when Terran's just didn't get gas (I still have a "Foxer's Enviromentally Friendly Marines" wallpaper somewhere)? Remember when a 200 supply zerg army got rolled by a 200 supply P or T army and you won by remaxing really fast? Remember when pure bio was common TvT? Remember just tank/viking with no harassment? Remember when magic box wasn't a thing you could do? Remember when no one knew you could split marines against banelings? Remember when the purpose of a Stargate PvZ was to hope you could kill the third? Remember when Terran was super-strong early game against Z and P, and comically weak lategame? Etc etc etc etc. The games been redefined enough that it can absolutely change at any time. | ||
FlopTurnReaver
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telamascope
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Keone
United States812 Posts
On July 21 2011 13:12 telamascope wrote: I've been meaning to ask what is up with forgg and "The Pretender"? I understand they kept using it over and over as his intro song before matches or group selections... but does anyone know why? hahahahahaha They always played 'The Pretender' when ForGG came out, or sometimes when he won, it has become his trademark song, hahahaha Sigh T_T now I really miss him T_T_T_T_T_T | ||
ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On July 21 2011 13:12 telamascope wrote: I've been meaning to ask what is up with forgg and "The Pretender"? I understand they kept using it over and over as his intro song before matches or group selections... but does anyone know why? Arena MSL Intro. the MSL ForGG won. | ||
telamascope
United States310 Posts
On July 21 2011 13:16 Keone wrote: hahahahahaha They always played 'The Pretender' when ForGG came out, or sometimes when he won, it has become his trademark song, hahahaha Sigh T_T now I really miss him T_T_T_T_T_T So is/was he the only progamer to have a "trademark" song? Forgive my ignorance, I just started following BW last season. EDIT: Ahhh thanks, that makes sense ComusLoM :D. | ||
almond
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Arguable, but Forgg was definitely not >>>>>>>>>Nada. KT's roster was probably weaker back then and they hardly played him. | ||
Anchen
United States31 Posts
Yup, basically the 'theme' song used in the intro for the Arena MSL he won was "The Pretender" by the foo fighters. And for whatever reason later on they would periodically play the song when he was introduced like at the Bigfile MSL 2010 group selection. I don't know if he was the only one but he is the only one I can think of that ever got that treatment. @almond That run was great getting into the top 8, but it was unfortunately at the beginning of 2009, more than a year before sc2. By then Nada wasn't getting played much in Proleague, mostly supplanted for the terran role by Midas and Baby, although Fox having such weak other players did often toss triple or I think once 4 terrans in one match. That said Nada played a great series against possibly the world's best pvt at the time. As for forGG not getting played, back then Proleague was best of 5 instead of 7 like it is now, and Flash would of course get first dibs being called for a terran or ace spot. For the rest, some maps were just bad for terran or so much better for zerg that it would by zvz all the time. Then there was stats and violet who were emerging as legitimate protoss players. That left forGG only playing when the maps broke right for a 2nd terran. He was still definitely a regular and posting a ~50% win rate as a A teamer and had recently made double starleagues, so if he does make the switch and go sc2 pro (assuming it really is forGG), he would be probably still have to be considered the best player switching (in terms of mechanical play skill in bw, not in achievements). | ||
b_unnies
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arbitrageur
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almond
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On July 21 2011 23:46 Anchen wrote: @Telamascope Yup, basically the 'theme' song used in the intro for the Arena MSL he won was "The Pretender" by the foo fighters. And for whatever reason later on they would periodically play the song when he was introduced like at the Bigfile MSL 2010 group selection. I don't know if he was the only one but he is the only one I can think of that ever got that treatment. @almond That run was great getting into the top 8, but it was unfortunately at the beginning of 2009, more than a year before sc2. By then Nada wasn't getting played much in Proleague, mostly supplanted for the terran role by Midas and Baby, although Fox having such weak other players did often toss triple or I think once 4 terrans in one match. That said Nada played a great series against possibly the world's best pvt at the time. As for forGG not getting played, back then Proleague was best of 5 instead of 7 like it is now, and Flash would of course get first dibs being called for a terran or ace spot. For the rest, some maps were just bad for terran or so much better for zerg that it would by zvz all the time. Then there was stats and violet who were emerging as legitimate protoss players. That left forGG only playing when the maps broke right for a 2nd terran. He was still definitely a regular and posting a ~50% win rate as a A teamer and had recently made double starleagues, so if he does make the switch and go sc2 pro (assuming it really is forGG), he would be probably still have to be considered the best player switching (in terms of mechanical play skill in bw, not in achievements). Right, but most people are citing his Arena MSL accomplishment which is even further back. He's been extremely lackluster since his switch to KT. He was good at tvz though. (which was what got him so far in recent leagues) Like I said, he' was definitely not auto-win vs Nada. I just don't want people to think that Forgg is miles ahead of all the BW pros that have switched. | ||
Goldfish
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On July 16 2011 12:06 HitMonkie wrote: If forGG is Raptor and he does play professinal. He might play for New Star HoSeo Talking to the New Star HoSeo players in Sans stream, they all knew who Raptor was and said that he was a big BW player and was playing with them but didnt want people to know who he was. Wait San stream and talks to people? Tell him he has a fanclub here at teamliquid http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202946 Anyway it's good and bad to see more former BW players playing SC2. Good because they're now playing SC2. Bad because they're no longer playing BW >.< (admittedly I do not watch BW much anymore but it's still fun to watch from time to time). Of course in this case he retired already and I wouldn't mind any retired BW players to return to SC2. | ||
DyEnasTy
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On July 21 2011 13:02 Ribbon wrote: The SC2 metagame hardly picked up where BW left off, but it's been advancing much faster, I think. But to say there hasn't been a lot of change is....wrong. Remember when a Zerg with 4 bases was a Zerg who'd won, because late-game zerg was unstoppable? Remember when SCV-marine allins were standard TvZ? Remember when a Protoss with 200 supply versus a Zerg was a protoss who'd won, because late-game Protoss was unstoppable? Remember when Terran's just didn't get gas (I still have a "Foxer's Enviromentally Friendly Marines" wallpaper somewhere)? Remember when a 200 supply zerg army got rolled by a 200 supply P or T army and you won by remaxing really fast? Remember when pure bio was common TvT? Remember just tank/viking with no harassment? Remember when magic box wasn't a thing you could do? Remember when no one knew you could split marines against banelings? Remember when the purpose of a Stargate PvZ was to hope you could kill the third? Remember when Terran was super-strong early game against Z and P, and comically weak lategame? Etc etc etc etc. The games been redefined enough that it can absolutely change at any time. It is advancing much faster because SC2 has things like replays, teams, ladders, TL.net, liquipedia that SC1 and BW did not start with. Everything you mentioned has basically happened in BW, just over a much longer period of time because of these things. BW didn't have maps that 12 expansions that were 55% balance when it came out. It didn't have perfectly placed mineral lines and gas geysers. SC2 certainly didn't start where BW left off but it has approached that point much faster because of the development and transitions BW had created and refined. | ||
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