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xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
July 20 2011 11:03 GMT
#341
Agreed. Its like a Snooker Pro going to play Pool professionally. Sure both are excellent and hard games at top level, but still, when a Snooker guy comes over, you know he means business. Its just the way it is.
Aah thats the stuff..
cHicKeLoR
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany559 Posts
July 20 2011 11:08 GMT
#342
gogo forGG!
maybe we get to see him in gsl or gstl in the future... )
shucklesors
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore1176 Posts
July 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#343
3-0'ing JD yes I remember that.. that was ridiculous considering JD's skill overall and his strength in bo5s.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 21 2011 03:46 GMT
#344
lol interesting. maybe i'll get to see frogg again
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Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
July 21 2011 03:57 GMT
#345
man i would LOVE to see forgg. i loved his scbw playstyle, i still can't forget his game vs kal arena MSL, he played some sick games... i really hope he goes pro in sc2.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
July 21 2011 04:00 GMT
#346
I've been waiting for this for a not insignificant amount of time.
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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 21 2011 04:02 GMT
#347
On July 18 2011 23:26 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 22:44 NoobSkills wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:23 Trololol wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:18 NoobSkills wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:11 Pufftrees wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:07 NoobSkills wrote:
On July 17 2011 15:12 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On July 17 2011 15:08 rysecake wrote:
On July 17 2011 15:01 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
How long until he becomes the best player in SC2?


Assuming he takes it extremely seriously, no more than 2 months. Calling it.


I'd say less.

but there are some kids that are practicing now for SC2 that have the mind of flash, or the micro of jaedong


Uh, no there isn't? The true pros who fit those qualities are playing Brood War. Maybe eventually though if Korea really switches over.


Watch more GSTL. Then remember that flash and jd while both excellent players built their strategy off of other's work. These kids have to invent everything themselves while improving their mechanics/micro.


Flash's double armory build disagrees with you.


Quote From Me
"built their strategy off of other's work"

Meaning that they surely advanced their strategies. They surely improved mechanics and timings and unit use. But they were able to add this because of information they gained by watching previous SCBW players. Back in the day one did not expand until your main was empty. After they decided that a 2 base play was good people then made two bases, but did not transfer workers. And so on and so forth. Everything evolved from another person's play. In SC2 there were no standard builds when these kids came to the pros, even though some information from SCBW sticks it's metagame is not nearly as well defined as SCBW.



Uhhh...

These kids knew to fast expand, and beta was there to figure out the most efficient timings for that. SC2 built off of the strong cores from BW and all that was needed to be determined was timings. If you think SC2 is back where BW was in say, 2001, in terms of metagame development - you're dead wrong.


The SC2 metagame hardly picked up where BW left off, but it's been advancing much faster, I think.

But to say there hasn't been a lot of change is....wrong. Remember when a Zerg with 4 bases was a Zerg who'd won, because late-game zerg was unstoppable?

Remember when SCV-marine allins were standard TvZ?

Remember when a Protoss with 200 supply versus a Zerg was a protoss who'd won, because late-game Protoss was unstoppable?

Remember when Terran's just didn't get gas (I still have a "Foxer's Enviromentally Friendly Marines" wallpaper somewhere)?

Remember when a 200 supply zerg army got rolled by a 200 supply P or T army and you won by remaxing really fast?

Remember when pure bio was common TvT?

Remember just tank/viking with no harassment?

Remember when magic box wasn't a thing you could do?

Remember when no one knew you could split marines against banelings?

Remember when the purpose of a Stargate PvZ was to hope you could kill the third?

Remember when Terran was super-strong early game against Z and P, and comically weak lategame?

Etc etc etc etc.

The games been redefined enough that it can absolutely change at any time.
FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
July 21 2011 04:10 GMT
#348
Does that mean NeverGG will have to start following SC2?
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telamascope
Profile Joined April 2010
United States310 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 04:12:26
July 21 2011 04:12 GMT
#349
I've been meaning to ask what is up with forgg and "The Pretender"? I understand they kept using it over and over as his intro song before matches or group selections... but does anyone know why?
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
July 21 2011 04:16 GMT
#350
On July 21 2011 13:12 telamascope wrote:
I've been meaning to ask what is up with forgg and "The Pretender"? I understand they kept using it over and over as his intro song before matches or group selections... but does anyone know why?

hahahahahaha

They always played 'The Pretender' when ForGG came out, or sometimes when he won, it has become his trademark song, hahahaha

Sigh T_T now I really miss him T_T_T_T_T_T
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
July 21 2011 04:18 GMT
#351
On July 21 2011 13:12 telamascope wrote:
I've been meaning to ask what is up with forgg and "The Pretender"? I understand they kept using it over and over as his intro song before matches or group selections... but does anyone know why?



Arena MSL Intro. the MSL ForGG won.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
telamascope
Profile Joined April 2010
United States310 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 04:22:30
July 21 2011 04:21 GMT
#352
On July 21 2011 13:16 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 13:12 telamascope wrote:
I've been meaning to ask what is up with forgg and "The Pretender"? I understand they kept using it over and over as his intro song before matches or group selections... but does anyone know why?

hahahahahaha

They always played 'The Pretender' when ForGG came out, or sometimes when he won, it has become his trademark song, hahahaha

Sigh T_T now I really miss him T_T_T_T_T_T


So is/was he the only progamer to have a "trademark" song? Forgive my ignorance, I just started following BW last season.

EDIT: Ahhh thanks, that makes sense ComusLoM :D.
almond
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
115 Posts
July 21 2011 04:26 GMT
#353
A lot of people are forgetting Nada's ridiculous 2009 MSL run. He almost beat Jangbi who was at his peak and godlike in Pvt in a BO5.
Arguable, but Forgg was definitely not >>>>>>>>>Nada.
KT's roster was probably weaker back then and they hardly played him.
Anchen
Profile Joined January 2010
United States31 Posts
July 21 2011 14:46 GMT
#354
@Telamascope

Yup, basically the 'theme' song used in the intro for the Arena MSL he won was "The Pretender" by the foo fighters. And for whatever reason later on they would periodically play the song when he was introduced like at the Bigfile MSL 2010 group selection. I don't know if he was the only one but he is the only one I can think of that ever got that treatment.

@almond

That run was great getting into the top 8, but it was unfortunately at the beginning of 2009, more than a year before sc2. By then Nada wasn't getting played much in Proleague, mostly supplanted for the terran role by Midas and Baby, although Fox having such weak other players did often toss triple or I think once 4 terrans in one match. That said Nada played a great series against possibly the world's best pvt at the time.

As for forGG not getting played, back then Proleague was best of 5 instead of 7 like it is now, and Flash would of course get first dibs being called for a terran or ace spot. For the rest, some maps were just bad for terran or so much better for zerg that it would by zvz all the time. Then there was stats and violet who were emerging as legitimate protoss players. That left forGG only playing when the maps broke right for a 2nd terran. He was still definitely a regular and posting a ~50% win rate as a A teamer and had recently made double starleagues, so if he does make the switch and go sc2 pro (assuming it really is forGG), he would be probably still have to be considered the best player switching (in terms of mechanical play skill in bw, not in achievements).
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
July 21 2011 15:18 GMT
#355
Apparently ForGG has more IDs than just Raptor
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
July 21 2011 15:22 GMT
#356
Do we have any evidence that this is forGG, or even any reason to suspect that this claim is true?
almond
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
115 Posts
July 21 2011 23:51 GMT
#357
On July 21 2011 23:46 Anchen wrote:
@Telamascope

Yup, basically the 'theme' song used in the intro for the Arena MSL he won was "The Pretender" by the foo fighters. And for whatever reason later on they would periodically play the song when he was introduced like at the Bigfile MSL 2010 group selection. I don't know if he was the only one but he is the only one I can think of that ever got that treatment.

@almond

That run was great getting into the top 8, but it was unfortunately at the beginning of 2009, more than a year before sc2. By then Nada wasn't getting played much in Proleague, mostly supplanted for the terran role by Midas and Baby, although Fox having such weak other players did often toss triple or I think once 4 terrans in one match. That said Nada played a great series against possibly the world's best pvt at the time.

As for forGG not getting played, back then Proleague was best of 5 instead of 7 like it is now, and Flash would of course get first dibs being called for a terran or ace spot. For the rest, some maps were just bad for terran or so much better for zerg that it would by zvz all the time. Then there was stats and violet who were emerging as legitimate protoss players. That left forGG only playing when the maps broke right for a 2nd terran. He was still definitely a regular and posting a ~50% win rate as a A teamer and had recently made double starleagues, so if he does make the switch and go sc2 pro (assuming it really is forGG), he would be probably still have to be considered the best player switching (in terms of mechanical play skill in bw, not in achievements).

Right, but most people are citing his Arena MSL accomplishment which is even further back.
He's been extremely lackluster since his switch to KT. He was good at tvz though. (which was what got him so far in recent leagues)
Like I said, he' was definitely not auto-win vs Nada. I just don't want people to think that Forgg is miles ahead of all the BW pros that have switched.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:49:25
July 22 2011 00:43 GMT
#358
On July 16 2011 12:06 HitMonkie wrote:
If forGG is Raptor and he does play professinal.

He might play for New Star HoSeo

Talking to the New Star HoSeo players in Sans stream, they all knew who Raptor was and said that he was a big BW player and was playing with them but didnt want people to know who he was.


Wait San stream and talks to people? Tell him he has a fanclub here at teamliquid http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202946

Anyway it's good and bad to see more former BW players playing SC2.

Good because they're now playing SC2.

Bad because they're no longer playing BW >.< (admittedly I do not watch BW much anymore but it's still fun to watch from time to time). Of course in this case he retired already and I wouldn't mind any retired BW players to return to SC2.
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
July 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#359
WOW this is so awesome!
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#360
On July 21 2011 13:02 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 23:26 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On July 18 2011 22:44 NoobSkills wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:23 Trololol wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:18 NoobSkills wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:11 Pufftrees wrote:
On July 17 2011 16:07 NoobSkills wrote:
On July 17 2011 15:12 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On July 17 2011 15:08 rysecake wrote:
On July 17 2011 15:01 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
How long until he becomes the best player in SC2?


Assuming he takes it extremely seriously, no more than 2 months. Calling it.


I'd say less.

but there are some kids that are practicing now for SC2 that have the mind of flash, or the micro of jaedong


Uh, no there isn't? The true pros who fit those qualities are playing Brood War. Maybe eventually though if Korea really switches over.


Watch more GSTL. Then remember that flash and jd while both excellent players built their strategy off of other's work. These kids have to invent everything themselves while improving their mechanics/micro.


Flash's double armory build disagrees with you.


Quote From Me
"built their strategy off of other's work"

Meaning that they surely advanced their strategies. They surely improved mechanics and timings and unit use. But they were able to add this because of information they gained by watching previous SCBW players. Back in the day one did not expand until your main was empty. After they decided that a 2 base play was good people then made two bases, but did not transfer workers. And so on and so forth. Everything evolved from another person's play. In SC2 there were no standard builds when these kids came to the pros, even though some information from SCBW sticks it's metagame is not nearly as well defined as SCBW.



Uhhh...

These kids knew to fast expand, and beta was there to figure out the most efficient timings for that. SC2 built off of the strong cores from BW and all that was needed to be determined was timings. If you think SC2 is back where BW was in say, 2001, in terms of metagame development - you're dead wrong.


The SC2 metagame hardly picked up where BW left off, but it's been advancing much faster, I think.

But to say there hasn't been a lot of change is....wrong. Remember when a Zerg with 4 bases was a Zerg who'd won, because late-game zerg was unstoppable?

Remember when SCV-marine allins were standard TvZ?

Remember when a Protoss with 200 supply versus a Zerg was a protoss who'd won, because late-game Protoss was unstoppable?

Remember when Terran's just didn't get gas (I still have a "Foxer's Enviromentally Friendly Marines" wallpaper somewhere)?

Remember when a 200 supply zerg army got rolled by a 200 supply P or T army and you won by remaxing really fast?

Remember when pure bio was common TvT?

Remember just tank/viking with no harassment?

Remember when magic box wasn't a thing you could do?

Remember when no one knew you could split marines against banelings?

Remember when the purpose of a Stargate PvZ was to hope you could kill the third?

Remember when Terran was super-strong early game against Z and P, and comically weak lategame?

Etc etc etc etc.

The games been redefined enough that it can absolutely change at any time.


It is advancing much faster because SC2 has things like replays, teams, ladders, TL.net, liquipedia that SC1 and BW did not start with. Everything you mentioned has basically happened in BW, just over a much longer period of time because of these things. BW didn't have maps that 12 expansions that were 55% balance when it came out. It didn't have perfectly placed mineral lines and gas geysers.

SC2 certainly didn't start where BW left off but it has approached that point much faster because of the development and transitions BW had created and refined.
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