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I kind of understand why there is the long wait, maybe bring out a sofa, hold a mini SOTG session, have some pre recorded interviews with players (or some live interviews with people like David Kim, Tastosis and other efamous person for example). The "Excellent" interviews was refreshing and fun to watch, but it would be nice if there is more of them as well (or longer ones).
Also you could switch the camera to maybe the street fighter/xbox hangout area to see our favourite players suck at other games, I would also be interested in seeing MC in the practice area playing as zerg taking ladder points off poor NA nerds while day9 interrupting his game by pressing his arrow keys.
Like for Formula 1 in UK, one hour before the race start we have the pundits analysing highlights of previous games, talk about latest news in the industry, express their views on how the race is going to pan out, who to look out for, then Martin Brundle will be down the paddock walking around interviewing drivers, team bosses, celebrities when they were setting up their cars/doing their own stuff, there is never any downtimes, certainly no track staring for hours.
Anything is better than playing boring music and pointing the camera at the main stage for 2 hours in between games really.
Even though you gave a valid reason regarding the single elim format, it is still stupid and heartbroken to see Ret, who cruised through the league phase then to get knocked out in 2 extremely short games (opening game as well, seriously) after flying to NA from NL. If MLG can do open tournament, group stage, and double elim brackets in 3 days, I'm sure you guys can do something about it as well, maybe cut some of the autograph signing sessions, do you really need a 2 hour break after every single series?
Lastly, it would be nice if you guys are more transparent and keep us up to date with whatever is going wrong and you are trying hard to fix everything meanwhile, instead of delaying the event for 2 hours without a word.
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Please communicate with the viewers more. I mean you guys changed the schedule up to 1 and half hour without saying anything really pissed lots of ppl off. Secondly, how hard is that to put a count down timer on the freaking screen, I mean everyone didn't know exactly when the next event start, so why not let us know that simple task?
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I had a season pass to NASL Season 1, and I plan on getting one for Season 2. I really want to see NASL succeed, enough to put my money where my mouth is.
I like the stuff in red, it shows what you are going to do for next season - Spot on! I think you should add some other red stuff, like..
- Tape down all power cords. This is STANDARD at ALL events since the beginning of time. Anytime you have cords, people trip. Events have very, very expensive equipment. Why was this overlooked? Did you not talk to any event organizers before putting on your event?
- Giving people enough time to set up and test settings before playing.
- Preinstall drivers for players, or give needy players their own computer. You are not the first people to face this issue. Did you talk to incontrol before the event and get his thoughts on MLG? At MLG they set aside special computers specifically for the koreans because they knew this issue would arrive. Again, talking to event/lan organizers before the event could have helped with this issue.
- The translators should know a bit more about translating. It's not just saying "what he said". My understanding is that the translator should speak in the first person, and give the intonation and act as if he/she were the person responding. i.e. "I don't like my skin so I want to spend the $50K on skin care". You don't even have to hire a professional translator, but have them search the internet for translating tips!!!
- Have backups of everything. As a photographer, I know that anything can fail at any time. I have backup flashes, batteries, chargers, CD cards, etc etc etc... Yes, it gets expensive, but how expensive is losing customers? Also, the backups need to be EXACTLY the same as the original. If you buy a backup projector, make sure its EXACTLY the same model as your real one configured exactly the same. The last thing you need is to figure out how to use new equipment on the fly.
As far as the delays go -- this was fairly standard for almost every LAN event, but luckily Saturday went MUCH more smoothly. Some delay problems were caused by (to name a few): Moon refusing to let our staff touch his mouse/keyboard and plug them in for him... Boxer accidentally tripping a power cord and shutting off his computer, DarkForcE changing the computer language into German and trying to install some obscure logitech mouse drivers, etc.
Ouch, this statement hurts the worst. When MLG messes up, they fess up and say 'we are going to make it up to you', instead of making excuses. If you didn't have enough people to set up the event, you have no where to look except into the mirror. If your people do not have the KSAs (knowledge skills abilities) to perform their job functions, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
That being said, keep on keeping on, and I can't wait for you to buck up and make Season 2 totally awesome!
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On July 12 2011 15:00 Joseph123 wrote:
What makes me sad is that you think your format is ok..
If you read it they don't think the format is "ok" and plan on changing many aspects of it.
-Open winner is most likely always going to be a strong Korean so it needs to be tooled around with on who the open winner plays.
-People go to college for four years to fix the audio problems that took you up to a day to fix, sometimes were never fixed in a matter of minutes. Please hire a real audio engineer.
-Double elimination; Bo5 for winner brackets, Bo3 for loser brackets.
-Less downtime, more talking. The video intro's need to NOT show their losses and just the wins, and only on day 1 please...
-The interviews with Lindsey in the breaks were great, please do keep them going
-Did I mention rehire Lindsey?
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I loved the league format from the get-go. Of all the major tournaments, it's the one format where I'm most confident that the deserving players advanced (setting aside the timezone/lag stuff).
For the same reason, I really didn't like the finals bo3 format, which certainly does NOT get the most deserving players advancing. I know that to do bo5 or double elim would take away the ability to broadcast every game, but IMO it's worth it.
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I'd like to see the prize pool split more evenly to those who make it to the playoffs rather than having most of the pool go to the top 5 finishers. Rewarding players that did well during the regular season and showed they both cared and had what it took to advance means more to me than the eventual winner taking half the pot.
Besides that I'd have to agree with the post Milkis made. Looking forward to NASL's response.
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Please hire someone who is used to coreographing events. Ie someone who can organise how and where people move before during and after each game.... before during and after interviews etc.
Seeing players/casters etc walk in front of or behind the casting booth/playing booths randomly as though they weren't sure how or where they were supposed to go was just painful. It didn't feel like an organised event... more of a hey guys lets just play some games and figure the rest out as we go. Should be organised format... players stand in position x before match... greet each other... then go via pathway y to booths... then after match come back via pathway y to congratulate each other and then loser player follows path z off while winner player follows path w to interview area where interviews are standing ready.
Personally would like an "entrance" for each player. Something that hypes them... (I know wrestling is cheesy as hell but its a good example of hype). Why should we care about that random nerd walking across the stage. Its all about showmanship. That is what a good production needs. MC showed how it should be done. Not everyone has to be a cocky bastard but they have to at least do more than slink into a booth. Greet the crowd/bow/salute/wave whatever... do something. Make the show worth watching. And thats something NASL organisers can arrange, the music for each player, maybe a screen behind the casters can play some of their finer moments as they walk on etc. I don't know exactly but surely someone has some flair for entertainment.
I personally liked the "journey" vids... recaps are good time wasters. But what I don't get is why weren't the players being set up so they were good to go once that was over. Why wasn't that time utilized?
Things like wellplayed "top ten plays of the week" clips would have been good to go through in between games or something like that. That sort of thing HYPES the play and reminds people of all the good games that the NASL has provided. It also provides good time fillers that is appropriate.
Not them exactly maybe but that concept.... something that is directly the result of the NASL used in a way that makes you go OOOOOOOH, AHHHHHHHHH. I don't like most mainstream sports but even I enjoy "plays of the week".
my 2c
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Definitely please rework the format of the final tournament. If you want to keep it single elimination, that's cool, but it would be awesome if there was more incentive to award people who got first in their division or first overall.
Maybe the people who get first in their division get to pick their first round opponent, or get a bye in the first round or something. I think having the higher seeded player pick first map or pick the player they play would give a nice reward to people who did better in the regular season.
Love you Xeris, please keep it up!
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Regarding the delays between matches. There's one obvious thing that can be done to help the problem. The next players should adjust their settings during the down time. I know that you want to announce the players to the crowd, but just let them know that the players need to adjust their settings first, and they'll be re-introduced to the crowd later.
That would eliminate the interminable stalling that the casters have to engage in before each match. They can go right into their intros, start the games, and then expound upon the matchup during the early game.
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Any word on any other games other then HoN that will be played next season?
Haven't heard any sort of announcement of it since Anna mentioned it on the first day...
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Funding. Who is funding this.
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-Get rid of 1 hour waiting between the matches.
-Get interviewers who actually know what they are talkin about.
-get rid of ridiculously long intro videos.(15-20 seconds for each player is REALLY enough.(only show the best engagements or so)
-Get rid of the LSD graphics effects.....what is wrong with that?The Bloom is ridiculous
-Get a sound guy who knows what he is doing.(or give him enough time to check everything out)
-Get rid of black backgrounds.(black backgrounds ALWAYS look crappy and cheap.Better take a nice blue or something but not black)
Imagine the news guy from CNN or whatever sitting infront of a black background reading the news....yeah,it would look like a trash production.
-Get new booths,i mean,what is this what you got there now?Dixitoilets?They need to be bigger and there needs to be a little light in it.(player cam was creepy is fuck ^^)
-Get Tastosis only if they can cast all games.( i dont hate on incontrol and gretorp but Tastosis is there.........i mean,Tastosis,helllooohooooooo. ;D
-Pre record some player interviews you can show in the breaks or have an interviewer who's doing live interviews while having breaks.(AskJoshy was there,i think he would have done a great job doin some live interviews)
That is my little list to help YOU improve NASL.
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It's so good to see you know what went wrong and that you're striving to fix it in the 2nd season. It's also good that you're open to submissions despite the hate you're gonna receive.
Now, what I'd consider an upgrade.The background was really ugly, I mean you could construct a nice little stylish stage, instead of this black/grey thing.
Get more and better looking booths but I guess you know that already.
Get a pro director to manage what's getting broadcasted when, and for christs sake inform the viewers about the schedule.In the LR thread we were basically trying to guess what would follow up on screen.
Shorter timeline, 8 hours for 2 matches might be ok for the guys in the venue(considering all the other stuff that was happening) but it sure is boring for the internet viewers.
Get a sound guy instead of the hamster you had toying around with the wires.
Be more glamorous. Eg,get some dry ice and some cool lights for that ending song with Anna and Temp0. The money is there, use it.
Stick to the schedule.
Stick to the schedule.
Stick to the schedule.
MOAR LINDSEY!
Edit: And use hype videos in the right way. I'm sure there must be at least 10 people in TL that can make a nice hyping video using Adobe AE for you guys, not to mention professionals.
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not to bash you guys for your production at the Finals, but did you even use video professionals? the bad camera work, mic setup, etc. just seemed......amateurish.
I know i even submitted my resume to you guys and I'm experienced in all that stuff lol.
Regardless keep up the work, but please tweak the minor issues.
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On July 12 2011 15:00 Joseph123 wrote:
What makes me sad is that you think your format is ok.. (example you think its fair for Ret to win everything in the open season and then to lose 2 games and its out)
You want NASL to be unique but at the same time you say the format is like other tournaments so its fine..
Dunno why didnt you excuse to the viewers for flying Tastosis and Day9 and not letting them cast all the games?..
You think its ok to get the best casters in the world and let them watch the finals in the audience?
You didn't say anything about the long intros which were really boring for 97% of the people.. and no - progamers can't be an excuse for the delays nobody is believing that
We had an idea with the intro videos for each player, and it didn't work out as we had hoped. In the future we'll probably just do a few choice highlights rather than every match.
Your post really comes from a serious lack of insight. It would be really bad and disrespectful if we didn't have Gretorp+iNcontroL cast the finals. What does that say about how we value our employees if someone (Gret+iNc) bust their asses off for 3 months only to get thrown under the bus by 2 guys who just flew in for a weekend? Why would anyone want to work with us in the future if we disrespect employees that way? If we had anyone else cast the finals it would be like us saying "we don't have faith in your ability to be on the big stage," but we believe in them as casters and know they've worked hard for us all season. Whether you like them or not, that is the truth of the matter.
Day9, Tasteless, and Artosis all understand that, and were totally fine with it. All three of them loved the event, loved their work load, enjoyed getting to interact with fans, and everything else. Ask any of them.
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The video quality was so poor in the finals.. Compare it to in studio takes and back to the NASL finals video IT WAS FRIGGEN BAD.. The lighting was so dark and gloomy it felt it was like 1990 all over again. The sound sync at time was "no comment", i think you know how it was. But work on the lighting of the stage to make it look better.
And is it just me or is the introduction annoying as hell. Its like a friggen wrestling match here. Koreans casters mix up the intros all the time but man the western style is always the same.
example: "if you want to see MC win give a cheer for... etc etc" OR " on the bottom right we have the yellow protoss ....
man it just so overused and aligns itself with wrestling and no one takes wrestling seriously so doing that will impose of not making sc2 serious..
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Can you guys please use something other than Black?
black walls, black drapes, black player booths inside and out, black caster table, BLACK EVERYTHING.
Also the players booths were set up as if to mimic a basement where the only light source inside was the monitor. That's really terrible having them play in that condition in front of a live audience.
really depressing stage. I think the online portion of NASL suffered from this too way back when it started, there was just black construction paper covering everything lol...
Such a depressing color for a live event.
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Regarding the intro videos, it depends on what their purpose is.
If they are what people traditionally think of intro videos - and the game is waiting for them to finish so that we can start - then yes they are way too long.
If they are more meant to fill in the time between matches while players are setting up, then that's great. Ideally, IMO, once a match has finished, it'd be a few minutes of caster recap, then they say something like "now let's watch these player videos while they're getting set up". Nobody could complain about that. At least we're not watching commercials / static shots.
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I think from what I watched, you need to entertain me during the long down time. Because I didn't stick around. I got bored and did other things. Someone like 2gd can troll the crowd or whatever. Or just have the camera follow a caster around while he interviews people. Make me feel involved. Instead of playing random videos about Idras eyes etc.
I watched the match with select white ra. After it was over I waited and then I switched off.
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I'm not going to add anymore criticism because you have heard it all this point. I enjoyed most of this seasons finals and I'm looking forward to next seasons. I'm happy to see NASL is committed to improving their product for the fans and players.
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