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GSL sends MVP, DongRaeGu to MLG Anaheim - Page 67

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Boof
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada77 Posts
July 12 2011 19:46 GMT
#1321
lol
poor foreigners
smile-terran taking it
AngelusDeLetum
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
July 12 2011 21:33 GMT
#1322
Isn't it quite apparent that mr. Chae is using mlg as a way to elevate some of the players he knows can compete in code s or a? We've all heard how rediculous code b is and also how many fans drg has... Smart play
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
July 12 2011 21:50 GMT
#1323
On July 13 2011 06:33 AngelusDeLetum wrote:
Isn't it quite apparent that mr. Chae is using mlg as a way to elevate some of the players he knows can compete in code s or a? We've all heard how rediculous code b is and also how many fans drg has... Smart play

Yeah, but I don't know if it's so good. One big thing about GSL and MLG is that they are not based on invites. That makes them a whole lot more serious/professional than other tournaments. There's nothing wrong with them agreeing to use each other's tournament as a qualifier. That's still perfectly objective. And the people MLG sends to GSL are picked totally objectively. But I would really, really like it if the people GSL sends were picked objectively too. It seems obvious that people are being chosen to go based on their fan base, which makes the tournaments (slightly) less legitimate. It is not good if the GSL staff can say "Oh, player X didn't qualify, and we know having him would help our ratings, so let's give him some sort of easier way to qualify that most people don't get access to." The people sent should be those with the highest GSL points of the ones who want to go (or maybe exclude those who have already gone or something, but something objective).
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 12 2011 21:52 GMT
#1324
On July 13 2011 03:48 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 03:34 Ryncol wrote:
On July 13 2011 02:48 Strawburry17 wrote:


Look 18:52. OMG It made me jizz, that rine split

IMMVP FTW! 

That's definitely that best moment from that entire game. I'm SUPER excited to see him play at an MLG.



I've only seen ridiculous marine splits from him and mkp. For some reason other top korean terrans like bomber and nada don't have that kind of splitting


sC has some amazing marine splits. They really showed in his series against Nestea in last GSL and against DRG in the LG tournamnet. I would put his splits on par with MKP and MVP.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
July 12 2011 22:17 GMT
#1325
There are so many undeserving foreigner players in the MLG invites. The more Koreans we get to replace them--the better.
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2108 Posts
July 12 2011 22:25 GMT
#1326
IMMVP, aaaawwww yeaaah ! Hopefully this guy will shine in the foreign scene for the first time and not last :D
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 12 2011 22:43 GMT
#1327
On July 13 2011 07:17 SovSov wrote:
There are so many undeserving foreigner players in the MLG invites. The more Koreans we get to replace them--the better.

none of the foreigners are invites...
www.superbeerbrothers.com
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
July 12 2011 22:43 GMT
#1328
OH MY GOODNESS THIS IS GONNA BE SICKKKKK
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 12 2011 22:44 GMT
#1329
On July 13 2011 06:33 AngelusDeLetum wrote:
Isn't it quite apparent that mr. Chae is using mlg as a way to elevate some of the players he knows can compete in code s or a? We've all heard how rediculous code b is and also how many fans drg has... Smart play

GSL finals being on the same day as MLG also complicates things, and means that GSL can't send anyone who is still in the GSL.
Unab0mber
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland8 Posts
July 12 2011 23:11 GMT
#1330
Niceeeeeee
Mechwarrior
Profile Joined April 2011
United States76 Posts
July 12 2011 23:48 GMT
#1331
DongRaeGu!!!! Oh my god! =O

This is going to be sick.
Norava
Profile Joined September 2010
United States23 Posts
July 13 2011 00:16 GMT
#1332
Another domestic tournament stolen by the koreans.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 13 2011 00:26 GMT
#1333
On July 13 2011 06:50 aristarchus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 06:33 AngelusDeLetum wrote:
Isn't it quite apparent that mr. Chae is using mlg as a way to elevate some of the players he knows can compete in code s or a? We've all heard how rediculous code b is and also how many fans drg has... Smart play

Yeah, but I don't know if it's so good. One big thing about GSL and MLG is that they are not based on invites. That makes them a whole lot more serious/professional than other tournaments. There's nothing wrong with them agreeing to use each other's tournament as a qualifier. That's still perfectly objective. And the people MLG sends to GSL are picked totally objectively. But I would really, really like it if the people GSL sends were picked objectively too. It seems obvious that people are being chosen to go based on their fan base, which makes the tournaments (slightly) less legitimate. It is not good if the GSL staff can say "Oh, player X didn't qualify, and we know having him would help our ratings, so let's give him some sort of easier way to qualify that most people don't get access to." The people sent should be those with the highest GSL points of the ones who want to go (or maybe exclude those who have already gone or something, but something objective).

Less legitimate how exactly? The players have proven they deserve it be there and still these "fan favorites" have a chance to win the whole thing.
Would you prefer to send their full code S load?
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
July 13 2011 00:29 GMT
#1334
On July 13 2011 06:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 03:48 rysecake wrote:
On July 13 2011 03:34 Ryncol wrote:
On July 13 2011 02:48 Strawburry17 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmEWrxklf8U

Look 18:52. OMG It made me jizz, that rine split

IMMVP FTW! 

That's definitely that best moment from that entire game. I'm SUPER excited to see him play at an MLG.



I've only seen ridiculous marine splits from him and mkp. For some reason other top korean terrans like bomber and nada don't have that kind of splitting


sC has some amazing marine splits. They really showed in his series against Nestea in last GSL and against DRG in the LG tournamnet. I would put his splits on par with MKP and MVP.




the best marine micro i've ever seen- it's actually several levels above "just" splitting. respect the korean terrans, but happy micro > all
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 13 2011 00:31 GMT
#1335
On July 13 2011 09:16 Norava wrote:
Another domestic tournament stolen by the koreans.


You say that as if the Koreans are given an auto win, as opposed to having practiced more and simply earn the win. There are still foreigners who can put up a fight.

While I understand how it can be disappointing to have koreans win for some people... you don't have to word it THAT way. You are clearly trying to put them in a bad light.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 00:41:37
July 13 2011 00:39 GMT
#1336
nvm, me failing to read.
Szubie
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom294 Posts
July 13 2011 00:40 GMT
#1337
Whoo, nice. Cheering for IMMVP, but DRG being there is great too...for the spectators. Poor foreign pros
IMMvp, Maru
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
July 13 2011 01:12 GMT
#1338
On July 13 2011 09:26 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 06:50 aristarchus wrote:
On July 13 2011 06:33 AngelusDeLetum wrote:
Isn't it quite apparent that mr. Chae is using mlg as a way to elevate some of the players he knows can compete in code s or a? We've all heard how rediculous code b is and also how many fans drg has... Smart play

Yeah, but I don't know if it's so good. One big thing about GSL and MLG is that they are not based on invites. That makes them a whole lot more serious/professional than other tournaments. There's nothing wrong with them agreeing to use each other's tournament as a qualifier. That's still perfectly objective. And the people MLG sends to GSL are picked totally objectively. But I would really, really like it if the people GSL sends were picked objectively too. It seems obvious that people are being chosen to go based on their fan base, which makes the tournaments (slightly) less legitimate. It is not good if the GSL staff can say "Oh, player X didn't qualify, and we know having him would help our ratings, so let's give him some sort of easier way to qualify that most people don't get access to." The people sent should be those with the highest GSL points of the ones who want to go (or maybe exclude those who have already gone or something, but something objective).

Less legitimate how exactly? The players have proven they deserve it be there and still these "fan favorites" have a chance to win the whole thing.
Would you prefer to send their full code S load?

Less legitimate in that it's not a fair system in which everyone has equal chance of success, with advantage only gained by being better at the game. In what way have they "proven they deserve to be there"? They've proven that they're good players, no doubt there, but lots of other people have proven that they're better players. With the exception of MVP, the players they're sending have achieved substantially less success than many other people they could have sent instead. If they just said "Yeah, Boxer lost his games, but we're going to put him back in code A anyway because it's good for ratings" that would get a very angry reaction from a lot of people, and I think that'd be justified. But what they're doing here is just a much less severe version of the same thing. They're saying "Because we'll get more ratings if Boxer and DRG are in code A (and will give MLG good ratings too) we're going to give them an advantage in the qualification process." So yeah, I would prefer that if the code S players want to go, they send them. (Or if they want to adopt an official policy saying because it's essentially a code S qualification tournament you can't go if you're already in code S, then fine, but send the top code A people who want to go.)
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 01:25:33
July 13 2011 01:23 GMT
#1339
On July 13 2011 09:26 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 06:50 aristarchus wrote:
On July 13 2011 06:33 AngelusDeLetum wrote:
Isn't it quite apparent that mr. Chae is using mlg as a way to elevate some of the players he knows can compete in code s or a? We've all heard how rediculous code b is and also how many fans drg has... Smart play

Yeah, but I don't know if it's so good. One big thing about GSL and MLG is that they are not based on invites. That makes them a whole lot more serious/professional than other tournaments. There's nothing wrong with them agreeing to use each other's tournament as a qualifier. That's still perfectly objective. And the people MLG sends to GSL are picked totally objectively. But I would really, really like it if the people GSL sends were picked objectively too. It seems obvious that people are being chosen to go based on their fan base, which makes the tournaments (slightly) less legitimate. It is not good if the GSL staff can say "Oh, player X didn't qualify, and we know having him would help our ratings, so let's give him some sort of easier way to qualify that most people don't get access to." The people sent should be those with the highest GSL points of the ones who want to go (or maybe exclude those who have already gone or something, but something objective).

Less legitimate how exactly? The players have proven they deserve it be there and still these "fan favorites" have a chance to win the whole thing.
Would you prefer to send their full code S load?

Less legitimate because they didn't have to earn their spot for group play, unlike everyone else. To get into GSL Code S you have to perform well at MLG and win it, to get into group play at MLG a Korean has to lose and drop out of Code S, then if he's popular he may get invited to MLG. If it was truly going to be legit, then the Koreans would play from the open bracket until they have earned enough MLG points to be seeded into group play or only the people that perform well in Code S should be sent to MLG group play.
$♥$
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
July 13 2011 01:25 GMT
#1340
On July 13 2011 10:23 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 09:26 Assirra wrote:
On July 13 2011 06:50 aristarchus wrote:
On July 13 2011 06:33 AngelusDeLetum wrote:
Isn't it quite apparent that mr. Chae is using mlg as a way to elevate some of the players he knows can compete in code s or a? We've all heard how rediculous code b is and also how many fans drg has... Smart play

Yeah, but I don't know if it's so good. One big thing about GSL and MLG is that they are not based on invites. That makes them a whole lot more serious/professional than other tournaments. There's nothing wrong with them agreeing to use each other's tournament as a qualifier. That's still perfectly objective. And the people MLG sends to GSL are picked totally objectively. But I would really, really like it if the people GSL sends were picked objectively too. It seems obvious that people are being chosen to go based on their fan base, which makes the tournaments (slightly) less legitimate. It is not good if the GSL staff can say "Oh, player X didn't qualify, and we know having him would help our ratings, so let's give him some sort of easier way to qualify that most people don't get access to." The people sent should be those with the highest GSL points of the ones who want to go (or maybe exclude those who have already gone or something, but something objective).

Less legitimate how exactly? The players have proven they deserve it be there and still these "fan favorites" have a chance to win the whole thing.
Would you prefer to send their full code S load?

Less legitimate because they didn't have to earn their spot for group play, unlike everyone else. To get into GSL Code S you have to perform well at MLG and win it, to get into group play at MLG a Korean has to lose and drop out of Code S, then if he's popular he may get invited to MLG. If it was truly going to be legit, then the Koreans would play from the open bracket until they have earned enough MLG points to be seeded into group play.

I don't have a problem with the getting into the group stage automatically. I just want it to come from objective performance in the GSL, rather than arbitrary invites based on fan base and so forth.
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