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warcralft
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore609 Posts
July 11 2011 01:34 GMT
#61
It is refunded. But most likely habit from BW
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 11 2011 01:34 GMT
#62
On July 11 2011 10:31 CurLy[] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:48 windsupernova wrote:
On July 11 2011 09:48 CurLy[] wrote:
Okay.. didn't know that.

But units qued up you still lose money right?

Right ??


No and it was still the same in BW and W3.



Really? All this time I thought I was so pro cancelling my colossus or something


Well its still a good habit, you can instantly funnel those resources into other stuff.And I am pretty sure you lose some money in upgrades
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L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
July 11 2011 01:53 GMT
#63
Just tested both bw and sc2.

bw
100% refund on units in queue (including the current one in production)
75% refund on upgrades

sc2
100% refund on both.
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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 11 2011 01:53 GMT
#64
Yep, habit fro... BUT IT'S THE SAME IN BW!
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 03:02:33
July 11 2011 01:59 GMT
#65
On July 11 2011 10:53 L3gendary wrote:
Just tested both bw and sc2.

bw
100% refund on units in queue (including the current one in production)
75% refund on upgrades

sc2
100% refund on both.


The heck... I would've bet my life a building destroyed while researching upgrades gave back 100% (in bw) but I just tested it myself and it certainly does not.

edit: For real, I'm doubting my whole life now. Did they change this in a patch or something? It's odd so many people recall it being a 100% refund. Gonna investigate. Can't find any mention of it in the patch notes I found.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 11 2011 02:12 GMT
#66
Probably a knee jerk response from Broodwar where gameplay was much less forgiving. >: (
Naughty
Profile Joined March 2011
United States114 Posts
July 11 2011 02:18 GMT
#67
Why they do it, i am unsure, the only benefit I can see from it is if you need the money right away for production elsewhere.
skirmisheR
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden451 Posts
July 11 2011 02:24 GMT
#68
Lol so many people thinking you don't get the money back :S

I think it's mainly old habits
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CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
July 11 2011 02:39 GMT
#69
If you know that the building is going to die, you might as well get the money back beforehand to spend on units to kill the drop
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diddLY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States215 Posts
July 11 2011 02:40 GMT
#70
Why don't we ask one of the pros?
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
July 11 2011 02:44 GMT
#71
side note: just like how some strategy forum pros' posts are highlighted blue (or did that change?), the blatantly false statements should also be pointed out so that people dont get confused... but that might take a lot of work because of the amount of misinformation going around
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Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
July 11 2011 02:48 GMT
#72
Hm interesting, Starcraft 2 is my first real RTS but I was under the impression that upgrades don't get refunded from casts and things like that. Good to know.
closey
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong272 Posts
July 11 2011 03:00 GMT
#73
On July 11 2011 09:13 Gnax wrote:
If you crash your car and could chose to get your insurance money before the car is about to crash or after a few weeks, what would you chose?

Best example ever.

Also I think by consciously canceling the upgrades your brain will remember you have that extra 100-ish minerals refunded, instead of automatic refund which you might forget it later on.
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uberism
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada271 Posts
July 11 2011 03:08 GMT
#74
There is NO point in cancelling the upgrade, I think I've seen pros cancel and they manage to save the building, only to restart the upgrade.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 11 2011 03:14 GMT
#75
On July 11 2011 09:16 Wiwiweb wrote:
Units gets refunded. Upgrades gets refunded. Destroying a pylon refunds the warping in units. Even morphing zerg units gets the morphing cost refunded if the cocoon is destroyed.

The ONLY thing that doesn't get refunded after being destroyed is buildings.

Wait, killing (not canceling) a cocoon grants a refund?
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
July 11 2011 03:15 GMT
#76
yeah i do it too. Just a broodwar habit.
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
July 11 2011 03:21 GMT
#77
On July 11 2011 10:53 L3gendary wrote:
Just tested both bw and sc2.

bw
100% refund on units in queue (including the current one in production)
75% refund on upgrades

sc2
100% refund on both.

Whoa - i usually cancel because i thought if you lost the building you lost the investment with it. But i guess not. Thanks for the revelation though
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
July 11 2011 03:34 GMT
#78
On July 11 2011 09:13 LuckyFool wrote:
So they can use the resources half a second faster? No reason to not cancel it if your fast enough.


There is times when a player cancels an upgrade and then the building lives with 1% health left. In this case you have lost the time investment and opened up timing windows that would not have been there otherwise.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
July 11 2011 03:39 GMT
#79
I have heard several pros and commentators talk about cancelling upgrades/units before the building is destroyed to get money back. I hope this thread clears it up for them. :D
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 03:45:57
July 11 2011 03:44 GMT
#80
On July 11 2011 09:13 Gnax wrote:
If you crash your car and could chose to get your insurance money before the car is about to crash or after a few weeks, what would you chose?


You mean after the car crashes. You are bad at making examples that relate to the question at hand.

Also it is 100% because the players do not know for certain that the money will be refunded.
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