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Why do some progamers cancel upgrades?

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Kami47
Profile Joined June 2011
1 Post
July 11 2011 00:06 GMT
#1
Hi there,

I was just watching the NASL finals (MC vs PUMA), very nice games there but i wont spoiler. =P

To come to the point: Since i was in Skype with a friend i discussed over the games and we came to a strange notice:
Some Progamers cancel their Upgrades if the according building will be destroyed. For example a Forge developing the +1-Attack-Upgrade taken down by a Marauderdrop.

The thing is: If a upgrade developing building is destroyed the resources get refunded. That means there is absolutely no reason to cancel it, especially if it is close to be finished.

My question:

Why do they still cancel it?
JediGamer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States656 Posts
July 11 2011 00:08 GMT
#2
Good form and sometimes it can be the difference in a new warpin or something like that. It isn't that they need to benefit from it every time, but they don't want to skimp in another area because during times that upgrades are cancelled there is usually a good deal of pressure too.
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 11 2011 00:09 GMT
#3
On July 11 2011 09:06 Kami47 wrote:

The thing is: If a upgrade developing building is destroyed the resources get refunded. That means there is absolutely no reason to cancel it, especially if it is close to be finished.


what, really? i had no idea, wow thats noob-friendly
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 00:17:15
July 11 2011 00:09 GMT
#4
I think it's just a left-over from BW and other games, where you did NOT get (all) the resources back from units/upgrades that were being produced by a building when it was destroyed. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
you gotta dance
Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 00:10:57
July 11 2011 00:10 GMT
#5
A few possible reasons:

- They have 2 of the upgrade building (forge / engi / evo) and want to restart the upgrade (because they were going to lose it, hence delays) on their second structure ASAP without waiting for their first building to die.

- Old habits from Broodwar.

- They don't know it gets fully refunded.
DarkEnergy
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 00:13:45
July 11 2011 00:10 GMT
#6
As far as i know you do not get the minerals and gas back for the upgrade if the building is destroyed wile upgrading. So that being true it is only logical otherwise its lost.

edit:
really ? hmm do not like it. as 7mk said how noob friendly.
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Ziktomini
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom377 Posts
July 11 2011 00:10 GMT
#7
Force of habit from BW maybe, I hear that in BW if you didn't cancel you lose all the resources. Also if you are fighting somewhere else too the resources can be sued to quickly make additional units without waiting for the building to be destroyed.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
July 11 2011 00:11 GMT
#8
On July 11 2011 09:10 DarkEnergy wrote:
As far as i know you do not get the minerals and gas back for the upgrade if the building is destroyed wile upgrading. So that being true it is only logical otherwise its lost.


False.
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
July 11 2011 00:11 GMT
#9
Old habits from BW as well as maybe they are not 100% sure that their money will be refunded. That's my guesses anyways
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Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
July 11 2011 00:11 GMT
#10
It's just old habits from BW.
Aelip
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark321 Posts
July 11 2011 00:11 GMT
#11
On July 11 2011 09:10 Tektos wrote:
A few possible reasons:

- They have 2 of the upgrade building (forge / engi / evo) and want to restart the upgrade (because they were going to lose it, hence delays) on their second structure ASAP without waiting for their first building to die.

- Old habits from Broodwar.

- They don't know it gets fully refunded.


- The minerals + gas is spendable as soon as the upgrade is cancelled, may give them a few seconds faster warpin on a stalker or a zealot.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
July 11 2011 00:11 GMT
#12
On July 11 2011 09:10 DarkEnergy wrote:
As far as i know you do not get the minerals and gas back for the upgrade if the building is destroyed wile upgrading. So that being true it is only logical otherwise its lost.


You do get it back.
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
July 11 2011 00:12 GMT
#13
On July 11 2011 09:10 DarkEnergy wrote:
As far as i know you do not get the minerals and gas back for the upgrade if the building is destroyed wile upgrading. So that being true it is only logical otherwise its lost.


ye it doesn't get refunded man, same with units, you also don't get refunded the price once the building got destroyed.
Kairos~
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada129 Posts
July 11 2011 00:12 GMT
#14
It's a habit from Brood War.... And quite honestly it should not get refunded in Starcraft 2 either.
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Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
July 11 2011 00:12 GMT
#15
You might get it back, but the faster you cancel it the faster you can put that money to use elsewhere.. that's how i look at it atleast..

I would only do that if you're for sure that the building is going to die though :D
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Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
July 11 2011 00:13 GMT
#16
Does it get refunded? I always thought producing armies were also not refunded?
Actually I thought I tested it once to confirm it, is it changed?
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
July 11 2011 00:13 GMT
#17
So they can use the resources half a second faster? No reason to not cancel it if your fast enough.
Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
July 11 2011 00:13 GMT
#18
If you crash your car and could chose to get your insurance money before the car is about to crash or after a few weeks, what would you chose?
Ghostpvp
Profile Joined October 2010
United States462 Posts
July 11 2011 00:13 GMT
#19
Pretty sure broodwar refunded 75% if you lost the building.
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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 11 2011 00:13 GMT
#20
They can use the resources for something else sooner than if they didn't cancel right? Even a few seconds can change games!
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