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Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
July 11 2011 00:48 GMT
#41
I had no idea it got refunded if the building got destroyed, that's dumb
Kojak21
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1104 Posts
July 11 2011 00:49 GMT
#42
how can there be so much confusion over this lol, theres only one right answer
¯\_(☺)_/¯
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
July 11 2011 00:49 GMT
#43
Because they played BW and these types of "features" weren't part of BW. You actually had to cancel it. If you didn't and the building died you weren't refunded.
Fouf
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada34 Posts
July 11 2011 00:50 GMT
#44
You get the money THAT much faster.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
July 11 2011 00:51 GMT
#45
lol wow. 7 years later and im just finding out u get the money back?
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Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 00:58:27
July 11 2011 00:51 GMT
#46
On July 11 2011 09:13 Ghostpvp wrote:
Pretty sure broodwar refunded 75% if you lost the building.


Nope. BW refunds 100% on upgrades on destroyed buildings. Still 75% on canceled buildings/addons/building morphs (lair, colonies, etc).

EDIT: Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. In BW, you only get 75% refund on upgrades from destroyed buildings. Just tested. Heh.
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
July 11 2011 00:52 GMT
#47
A fully constructed building that is currently performing some function that costs minerals or gas when it is destroyed gives a 100% refund for any actions that are forcibly canceled due to the destruction of the building.

Building marines when the barracks gets blown up? Full refund (even for queue'd marines). Researching +3 shield upgrade at the forge? Full refund.
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primebeef
Profile Joined October 2010
United States140 Posts
July 11 2011 00:58 GMT
#48
It's most likely a reaction in sc2, since most of the korean pros/ some others come from BW where it doesn't refund.

Also even if you do get the full refund back, you get the money quicker to spend on units to actually stop the attack.

One of the goals in SC is to make sure you are constantly using money, and to not waste it on something random. So if the upgrading building is going to take 10 seconds to die, you can have your money back 10 seconds quicker to build something else.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 11 2011 00:58 GMT
#49
Saying who's in finals is still a spoiler :/

T_T

Probably habitfrom bw
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Scriptix
Profile Joined December 2010
United States145 Posts
July 11 2011 01:00 GMT
#50
I wasnt aware that the resources were refunded if the building was destroyed, and the upgrade not being canceled. Good information
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 11 2011 01:18 GMT
#51
On July 11 2011 09:51 Lunchador wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:13 Ghostpvp wrote:
Pretty sure broodwar refunded 75% if you lost the building.


Nope. BW refunds 100% on upgrades on destroyed buildings. Still 75% on canceled buildings/addons/building morphs (lair, colonies, etc).

EDIT: Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. In BW, you only get 75% refund on upgrades from destroyed buildings. Just tested. Heh.


Is the same in SC2 no?

100% for units and 75 for upgrades no?
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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
July 11 2011 01:22 GMT
#52
yep as everyone said, habits from bw.
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Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
July 11 2011 01:24 GMT
#53
If you know you're going to lose it. Why not cancel it and get your money back sooner? So you can spend it elsewhere. Even if its a habit from BW, it helps (a little bit) so you can have maybe a few seconds earlier of something else.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
July 11 2011 01:25 GMT
#54
Jesus i had no idea upgrades gave money back if the building is destroyed...

I guess i never really thought about it after years of BW.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
July 11 2011 01:26 GMT
#55
Could also be a tactical choice with regards to a fast tech switch after certain buildings and units were scouted to throw the opponent off. Later upgrade costs can equal any entirely new building and tech path if funds are redirected. So while you don't get the upgrade, your opponent may have no initial answer to your new surprise unit composition or quantity of units.
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
July 11 2011 01:27 GMT
#56
I thought all the resources were lost just like when a building is destroyed. Hahaha, I freaked out a few times because I forgot to cancel overlord drop.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
July 11 2011 01:28 GMT
#57
On July 11 2011 09:08 JediGamer wrote:
Good form and sometimes it can be the difference in a new warpin or something like that. It isn't that they need to benefit from it every time, but they don't want to skimp in another area because during times that upgrades are cancelled there is usually a good deal of pressure too.


yup u got it. sometimes when u just could use those extra minerals a bit faster by canceling an upgrade. especially if it is expensive.


IMO: they need to make it so that if u do not cancel u do not get refunded!!!
Xgorden
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden24 Posts
July 11 2011 01:31 GMT
#58
You get the gas/min back. But what really gets me is that commentators(day9 and DJwheat comes in mind) sometimes say ''Omg he did not cancel his upgrade before the building was destroyed'' which can trick others.
Sorry for my bad english.
CurLy[]
Profile Joined August 2010
United States759 Posts
July 11 2011 01:31 GMT
#59
On July 11 2011 09:48 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:48 CurLy[] wrote:
Okay.. didn't know that.

But units qued up you still lose money right?

Right ??


No and it was still the same in BW and W3.



Really? All this time I thought I was so pro cancelling my colossus or something
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TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
July 11 2011 01:32 GMT
#60
Habit from Brood War most likely.
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