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On July 11 2011 02:21 nekuodah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:19 j3i wrote: I think "kids" was the proper term. Honestly, it's annoying how much pointless banter we have on these forums. Meh i agree and disagree, when you have one hour gaps between games the conversation is bound to go a little OT, but some stuff that was said was indeed immature and pointless.
A little OT?
Some guys even complained that the actual LR was interfering with their meme posting >_>
I mean I am not a saint, but you know its bad when people are complaining about LRing in a LR thread as being distruptive to the conversation
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On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study....
Well "kids" does not necessarily mean younger generation. They're just saying we're childish for calling a Korean an American and pretends to ignore his origin.
no, kids in korean is almost always used generically to mean "young people" almost like youths but it's much more commonly used and refers to pretty much anyone who is of the younger generation
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On July 11 2011 02:12 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:06 Poopi wrote: Are they being harsh to aLive because he is a korean losing to a foreigner, or would it be the same if he lost against Moon/July/another korean zerg? Or maybe because those last 2 games vs Darkforce were extremely sloppy on both sides? Entertaining yes, but hardly the best technical games. Didn't see the games, it's in the middle of the night for EU. Explain the comments but still Gonna stay awake for the final only.
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On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American.
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On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American.
yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene.
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Thank you for the translation!
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On July 11 2011 02:25 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study....
Well "kids" does not necessarily mean younger generation. They're just saying we're childish for calling a Korean an American and pretends to ignore his origin. no, kids in korean is almost always used generically to mean "young people" almost like youths but it's much more commonly used and refers to pretty much anyone who is of the younger generation I was saying it doesn't have to be younger generation, it can be something else. Of course, by all means, it can mean younger generation.... obviously. 0_0
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On July 11 2011 02:28 vpatrickd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:25 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study....
Well "kids" does not necessarily mean younger generation. They're just saying we're childish for calling a Korean an American and pretends to ignore his origin. no, kids in korean is almost always used generically to mean "young people" almost like youths but it's much more commonly used and refers to pretty much anyone who is of the younger generation I was saying it doesn't have to be younger generation, it can be something else. Of course, by all means, it can mean younger generation.... obviously. 0_0
i doubt it, it's almost never used to mean kids
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On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. Yeah, that's fine. We can call him being trained in the American scene.
Just don't call him an American. People are (obviously) going to assume you're talking about his nationality when you use words that always refer to nationality.
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On July 11 2011 02:31 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. Yeah, that's fine. We can call him being trained in the American scene. Just don't call him an American. People are (obviously) going to assume you're talking about his nationality when you use words that always refer to nationality.
you call non-koreans foreign right? Technically, since starcraft is designed in the US, koreans are foreigners too. It's a TL term, people need to get over it and get with the program.
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Omg please don't drag that argument into this thread as well.
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"The smell of Kimchi And Garlic reaks even in an American tournament"
Lool I found that so funny for some reason.
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On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene.
There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games...
Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained.
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On July 11 2011 02:09 theBOOCH wrote:Show nested quote +Wow he really did that? shouldn't there have been a rule you have to stay the same race the whole time, unless the players agree? cus otherwise you might have prepared for a matchup your opponent wouldn't even play
Nasl mus allow race switching. Some tournaments do and some don't. I think it's pretty cool, but Morrow probably would have been better off staying as Zerg because July's ZvZ is really weak.
kk thanks
yeah i do agree it's cool too
but yeah maybe that wasnt the best choice for him
On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained.
Agreed. Select is an american player, while Huk and jinro right now are korean players.
Unless you want to call Select korean and huk canadian and jinro swedish just for their ethnicities so that you can cheer for them in that sense.
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아이들 means children like little kids, and if the poster(s) used that word would be referring to others in a critical manner, implying immature.
However...
애들 which is actually a simplification of the word, loses that meaning and while it means the same thing can not be used critically. It simply means "those people (of the younger demographic)."
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On July 11 2011 02:34 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:31 Bobster wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. Yeah, that's fine. We can call him being trained in the American scene. Just don't call him an American. People are (obviously) going to assume you're talking about his nationality when you use words that always refer to nationality. you call non-koreans foreign right? Technically, since starcraft is designed in the US, koreans are foreigners too. It's a TL term, people need to get over it and get with the program. No I don't.
I think that term is completely wrong, since someone being called foreign implies that his counterpart is native. Which might have been true for the competitive scene in BW - there is none outside Korea - is not the same for SC2.
So as you correctly point out, it's wrong and people shouldn't use it. I won't advocate the wrong use of terminology just because "it's a TL term" to use it wrongly. I aim to improve things, not get with the program.
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On July 11 2011 02:19 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:12 Mordiford wrote:On July 11 2011 02:06 Bobster wrote:On July 11 2011 02:05 babylon wrote:On July 11 2011 02:03 Bobster wrote:On July 11 2011 01:51 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:
"Those kids in TL keep arguing Select should be seen as an American Player, if so Huk should be considered a Korean Players."
spot on I dunno if SeleCT has citizenship. If he does, he should be considered Korean-American. If he doesn't, he should be considered Korean, unless he himself wishes to ID as Korean-American. *shrug* No I meant spot on calling the people on TL arguing that kids. It's obvious that Select is a Korean and Huk is a Canadian. Huk is American-Canadian. it's korean-trained and foreign-trained... people are taking it too literally
I was simply correcting him basing on his logic, I don't really want to get into the whole trained discussion, but even by his definition, Huk would be American-Canadian.
I personally think it's quite, your representation comes from where you were trained in addition to where you compete and were born.
So, Huk is an American-Canadian with Korean training competing in both Korea and the foreign scene, in this sense he represents a more unique case, you can call him anything you want, it doesn't fucking matter.
SeleCT is a Korean with North American training competing in both the North American and the rest of the foreign scene, the only thing Korean about him is his heritage, he both practices and competes mainly in the North American scene so this one's pretty easy.
At the end of the day... It doesn't fucking matter, these labels are absolutely idiotic to me.
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On July 11 2011 02:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. Agreed. Select is an american player, while Huk and jinro right now are korean players. Unless you want to call Select korean and huk canadian and jinro swedish just for their ethnicities so that you can cheer for them in that sense. Please don't drag that argument to every thread.
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On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. That's strange, I wonder why everyone always hyped up the games from Idra, Jinro and Huk as "Koreans vs foreigners" when all this time, they were just simple "Koreans vs Koreans" games like all the others.
If nationality doesn't matter, why are these games more hyped and anticipated than others?
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On July 11 2011 02:41 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:19 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:12 Mordiford wrote:On July 11 2011 02:06 Bobster wrote:On July 11 2011 02:05 babylon wrote:On July 11 2011 02:03 Bobster wrote:On July 11 2011 01:51 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:
"Those kids in TL keep arguing Select should be seen as an American Player, if so Huk should be considered a Korean Players."
spot on I dunno if SeleCT has citizenship. If he does, he should be considered Korean-American. If he doesn't, he should be considered Korean, unless he himself wishes to ID as Korean-American. *shrug* No I meant spot on calling the people on TL arguing that kids. It's obvious that Select is a Korean and Huk is a Canadian. Huk is American-Canadian. it's korean-trained and foreign-trained... people are taking it too literally I was simply correcting him basing on his logic, I don't really want to get into the whole trained discussion, but even by his definition, Huk would be American-Canadian. I personally think it's quite, your representation comes from where you were trained in addition to where you compete and were born. So, Huk is an American-Canadian with Korean training competing in both Korea and the foreign scene, in this sense he represents a more unique case, you can call him anything you want, it doesn't fucking matter. SeleCT is a Korean with North American training competing in both the North American and the rest of the foreign scene, the only thing Korean about him is his heritage, he both practices and competes mainly in the North American scene so this one's pretty easy. At the end of the day... It doesn't fucking matter, these labels are absolutely idiotic to me.
I think it matters actually. There is a sense of "team spirit" for lots of people which basically is the first indication that this is a real (e-)sport. People want to root for the underdogs or their nationality and I think this should be encouraged, but when people say things like Huk is the "hope" for foreigners, that actually is a bit sad... because in the end, that means only people who play in Korea has a chance, and that is exactly what the SC2 community does NOT need. We need to make sure that competitiveness can be developed outside of Korea, and a few shining lights are out there.
On July 11 2011 02:43 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 02:38 Chained wrote:On July 11 2011 02:28 Crisco wrote:On July 11 2011 02:26 vpatrickd wrote:On July 11 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:On July 11 2011 02:23 vpatrickd wrote: I agree, kids was a proper term. What's with calling Select an American? I thought he's just in America to study.... He is korean citizen residing in the US. Right on. So he is not American. yeah.. but he IS trained in the american/foreign scene. There is where the debate always begins, just a miscommunication. When I think "Korean vs Foreigner" I dont think of the ethnicity but rather where they have been training. I dont think of the ethnicity because I dont think it makes a difference.. Koreans arent naturally better at RTS games... Idra in SC1, Huk/Jinro in SC2, I felt the same way, while they arent "Korean" they are Korean trained. That's strange, I wonder why everyone always hyped up the games from Idra, Jinro and Huk as "Koreans vs foreigners" when all this time, they were just simple "Koreans vs Koreans" games like all the others. If nationality doesn't matter, why are these games more hyped and anticipated than others?
i dont want to beat this much further, so i'll stop here but I think it's kinda important to address. I think the longer you stay in a particular place, the more and more you will be associated with that scene (kinda like citizenship). I'm korean, but I was born and raised in America and though I'm fluent in korean, I would hardly label myself as a korean in the most literal sense. Jinro & Huk at the start were representations of a foreign scene, but now.. they are basically a korean scene (in my VERY humble opinion.) Idra, on the other hand, I'm starting to see him more and more as an American player (in my VERY humble opinion again)
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