Hey i was looking through the gm league and saw that the 1st place drop hacker xxTheStienxx was no longer there and select was once again 1st place. I was happy and thought he got banned but someone linked me his profile and said he was not banned but demoted to bronze... it is unlike blizzard to do something like this thoughts? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1993094/1/xxTheSteinxx/
as you can see they both have the same name and same amount of wins which is 221. He was once in grandmaster and now in bronze unless theres a guy with the same amount of wins + same name but is in bronze and same icon... which is highly unlikely.
Woah apples to apples looks like you have stumbled upon some interesting stuff. That's really wierd. You sure its the same dude? like Character code and stuff?
That is just about the strangest thing I've heard today... I would really like to know the logic behind this. He could easily just drop-hack his way out of bronze again... I guess it would likely have come with a stern warning, but he should have been banned PERIOD. Not a fan of second chances.
The only thing I could see coming from this is him buying a new account so he doesn't have to ladder out of bronze? So Blizzard makes $60? Pure speculation.
I think it's unlikely that it is the same player. If you look at the win to point ratio he has 221 wins with 1300 something points, which i believe translates to about 50% winrate. That being said, he's only getting +5 points for a win and -20 for a loss, so I dunno what the deal is.
Maybe they don't want to punish the guy with complete ban and invalid ID, so they just demote him to bronze; it could be like a probation period. /edit: well, applies to the rest too
On July 06 2011 06:51 Ryzu wrote: Actually, if you look closely, all of the reported drop-hackers are in that same Bronze division! Blizz trolling.
What would be really trolling is if they were given mmr allow that they can only play each other and their mmr is so low that it's nearly impossible to play enough games to raise their mmr to play real people.
My guess would be that it's more difficult than you might think to simply delete those accounts outright, so they're banning them and collecting them into one division together. Possibly they're doing this as part of a process that will result in those accounts being deleted, possibly they'll just be left there as a warning to others.
I like the idea someone else had of just nuking their MMR somehow (either ridiculously high or low, not sure how the math would work out) so that they would have to wait indefinitely in the queue or be paired against other identified hackers (so they could have a hack-off lol).
I doubt they aren't banned. Blizzard made them all bronze because it will be in their season 2 history forever that they failed. Banned accounts aren't deleted, they will stay there foreve, as bronzes =)
Sounds like they're collecting the hackers in one bronze division because they don't want to completely eliminate the accounts from the database (pending further analysis or something).
Maybe they should do something like "secretly" change the password of drophacking accounts. If you forget your password or need it reset, don't you need to do something like mail a picture of your drivers license or something?
On July 06 2011 07:04 Emporio wrote: Maybe they should do something like "secretly" change the password of drophacking accounts. If you forget your password or need it reset, don't you need to do something like mail a picture of your drivers license or something?
.... ridiculous. What if the person doesn't have a driver's license?
On the one hand, I love it--talk about being placed in the virtual stocks!
On the other hand, I hope Blizz has done something to either prevent them from laddering or ensure that they only ladder against each other--people in the bronze league deserve protection from drop-hackers too!
Maybe Blizz is thinking the ladder lock will dissuade them from hacking. Or maybe they're also fixing the hack.
Well played Blizzard, well played. If only you did this a lot sooner, could have saved a lot of frustration. Rainbow yelling "what the fuck" a few times comes to mind among many others.
On July 06 2011 07:04 Emporio wrote: Maybe they should do something like "secretly" change the password of drophacking accounts. If you forget your password or need it reset, don't you need to do something like mail a picture of your drivers license or something?
.... ridiculous. What if the person doesn't have a driver's license?
They already do this for WoW. You need to send in some kind of identification, a photocopy of a drivers license works. A birth certificate works too.
they can still play custom games on it though... they can probably hack in that too like maphack etc. they should make it so that you only play noobs, never league up and cant play customs
The guy is bound to do some more drophacking, only this time Blizzard will be able to monitor his account more closely and as it happens. If they banned him, they'd have one less specimen to examine.
That would be amazing if blizzard gave him a negative bonus pool that was like 1,000,000. That way every time he played a match even if he won he would lose ladder points. Good on blizzard to shut this guy down.
On July 06 2011 07:42 TheLOLas wrote: That would be amazing if blizzard gave him a negative bonus pool that was like 1,000,000. That way every time he played a match even if he won he would lose ladder points. Good on blizzard to shut this guy down.
Ya I think that would be awesome, and they can also only get matched up against other drop hackers.. so basically they waste a bunch of time to lose points regardless of if they use their drop hack first.
On July 06 2011 06:46 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote: Hey i was looking through the gm league and saw that the 1st place drop hacker xxTheStienxx was no longer there and select was once again 1st place. I was happy and thought he got banned but someone linked me his profile and said he was not banned but demoted to bronze... it is unlike blizzard to do something like this thoughts? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1993094/1/xxTheSteinxx/
as you can see they both have the same name and same amount of wins which is 221. He was once in grandmaster and now in bronze unless theres a guy with the same amount of wins + same name but is in bronze and same icon... which is highly unlikely.
Blizzard can infer he drop hacks (and he does I'm not denying it), but when they ban accounts they use a program to factually know that he used that hack.
I think it's pretty strange that they didnt ban him. There are more and more drop hackers and it's just so frustrating losing to that. I hope all the drophackers just get banned!!
On July 06 2011 06:53 stafu wrote: Maybe his account is banned, he just can't be removed from the ladder system until ladder lock is over, and hence moved to bronze?
Until he actually plays another game, I'd just assume he is banned.
probably they have never removed any one from the ladder whether they are banned or not... for the longest time they just let banned hackers sit where they were on the ladder, and there was a blue post saying something like, with bonus pool they will be passed up so meh... Maybe moving them to their own division was their solution, since maybe there is some technicality on removing someone from the ladder entirely =/
Wow, awesome job by blizz - can't wait to see what actually happens to them now. Hopefully they are just baiting them all to carry on hacking so they can monitor EXACTLY how it works and stop it!
And to be fair, they are probably dumb enough to continue. Very happy they are starting to show signs of action against hackers.
This really is hilarious if Blizzard is tying them together so they end up only drophacking eachother. It does seem a bit out of character to do this instead of just a blanket ban, but if that is what they are doing I love it lol.
Yea, they definitely didn't demote all DHers. I checked a couple of other profiles. In fact I'm not sure there's any DHers in that bronze division but the obvious GMers (xxSteinxx, LiquidHuk, RAPDAWG). Anyone recognize any other names?
they should make their division accessible to see just like GM just do we can see them and laugh at them. Of course, unlike GM, we could also be able to add them to our friend lists and chat to them. Just like a real purgatory
This is terrible news... they don't even tempban public hacks anymore(use to be 30 day ban on first warning and acc closed/reset). Assuming that account will ever be active to ladder it has to still have his gm ell/mmr, so even if he loses a game playing legit he will be in GM. If they reset him to a bronze league mmr/ell then blizzard just went against half the things they ban others for(losing games on purpose to lower ell).
Blizzard has never ever banned a private hacker without them using a public drophack, and there will be many private hacks out, so sadly the ladder will only get worse. Season 3 is going to be a joke unless they learn to do their jobs or hire ladder players to do their job for them.
Blizzard pretty much isn't willing to ban people anymore.
Last time Blizzard did a mass banwave, maphackers received 3 day suspensions.
"Hack your way to #1 in the world? Well here's a slap on the wrist with an account rollback. Now go think about what you've done!"
If Blizzard bans hackers, then those hackers probably won't buy the expansion packs, which means less money for them. The money is more important than the integrity of the game.
On July 06 2011 07:57 Xolo wrote: Blizzard pretty much isn't willing to ban people anymore.
Last time Blizzard did a mass banwave, maphackers received 3 day suspensions.
"Hack your way to #1 in the world? Well here's a slap on the wrist with an account rollback. Now go think about what you've done!"
If Blizzard bans hackers, then those hackers probably won't buy the expansion packs, which means less money for them. The money is more important than the integrity of the game.
Reallly? If they banned them, they won't purchase expansions. I don't see the logic. They are aware of what they are doing, I don't think them getting banned will change their mind of whether they wish to purchase a copy or an expansion. Only reason I can think of is that they are limited in funds.
The number of people that would quit the game due to rampant hacking is MUCH HIGHER than the number of people hacking, I am sure that their policy is a little different in wow, especially in PVE hacking because its subscriber based, but to think they wouldn't ban hackers in SC2 is ridiculous.
I am sure that blizzard just had to move the hackers out of the divisions they had hacked into to before banning the account, especially since they otherwise would be taking up top slots.
We are aware of a drop hack currently being used in StarCraft II and have banned a number of players for using it. Anyone found using drop hacks or other cheats to increase standing in the ladder or gain an unfair advantage in individual games will be banned. We take the integrity of online play on Battle.net very seriously and will take swift action to punish the use of any illegal cheats or hacks.
I've also been reading on some of the hacker-forums, and some people there have been banned as well. Looks like Blizzard is caring nontheless. To bad many of them did only use the hack with their trail accounts.
We are aware of a drop hack currently being used in StarCraft II and have banned a number of players for using it. Anyone found using drop hacks or other cheats to increase standing in the ladder or gain an unfair advantage in individual games will be banned. We take the integrity of online play on Battle.net very seriously and will take swift action to punish the use of any illegal cheats or hacks.
I've also been reading on some of the hacker-forums, and some people there have been banned as well. Looks like Blizzard is caring nontheless. To bad many of them did only use the hack with their trail accounts.
On July 06 2011 08:01 Newtonz wrote: Anyone know the name of the actual division? I'm sure that has some trolling involved with it as well.
It's Zamara X-Ray. Zamara is a Protoss character from one of the books; pretty standard naming convention for a division. I doubt whatever they're using even allows the creation of custom-named divisions, since that capability would never have been conceived to be of any use in development..
I think blizzard is putting them all in special isolated bronze division so they can have fun drop hacking each other ;p. Like a drophacking virus vault haha.
On July 06 2011 08:00 BinxyBrown wrote: The number of people that would quit the game due to rampant hacking is MUCH HIGHER than the number of people hacking, I am sure that their policy is a little different in wow, especially in PVE hacking because its subscriber based, but to think they wouldn't ban hackers in SC2 is ridiculous.
I am sure that blizzard just had to move the hackers out of the divisions they had hacked into to before banning the account, especially since they otherwise would be taking up top slots.
Yup. Pretty sure they moved them so they could remove as many hackers as possible, letting legit players earn their Season2 ending rankings, then ban the accounts they moved.
The drophackers on that list haven't played any games in the last couple of days, so blizz has probably already banned the accounts. It's just like in WoW, a banned account still exists, it just can't be accessed. No reason to be concerned here, I would imagine these accounts will not be laddering in the future.
On July 06 2011 07:01 SDream wrote: I doubt they aren't banned. Blizzard made them all bronze because it will be in their season 2 history forever that they failed. Banned accounts aren't deleted, they will stay there foreve, as bronzes =)
^This.
It's kinda of Blizzards way of saying, "you hacked to get to the top? LOL NOPE BRONZE TROLOLOL"
Zamara was a protoss preserver, a profession open only to those few protoss who have the ability to preserve the memories of all members of their species. She held an extremely dangerous secret.
Zamara was a protoss preserver, a profession open only to those few protoss who have the ability to preserve the memories of all members of their species. She held an extremely dangerous secret.
We are aware of a drop hack currently being used in StarCraft II and have banned a number of players for using it. Anyone found using drop hacks or other cheats to increase standing in the ladder or gain an unfair advantage in individual games will be banned. We take the integrity of online play on Battle.net very seriously and will take swift action to punish the use of any illegal cheats or hacks.
I've also been reading on some of the hacker-forums, and some people there have been banned as well. Looks like Blizzard is caring nontheless. To bad many of them did only use the hack with their trail accounts.
i would like to see the players drop hacking IP banned from all blizzard games. Most of the players DHing are just scrubs who think "achievements" matter and as a result think being #1 on us ladder (no matter what means used to achieve it) is an accomplishment because they are basement dwelling losers that have nothing better to do with their lives. Furthermore, all the accounts used by DHers are trials, further exmplifying how big of "pussies" they truly are, banning every account on every game their ip has logged into would make them go through so much trouble it would be precautionary warning to other toolbags thinking of doing it.
On July 06 2011 06:51 Ryzu wrote: Actually, if you look closely, a lot of the other reported drop-hackers are in that same Bronze division!
AMAZING. ^_^ Blizzard, you should host a hacker tournament to see who is the best hacker, and then ban the winner On a serious note, at least they did something. What would be even more awesome is if it said "you have been demoted to bronze league!" after every game XD
oh god they demoted him to my league loljk You think it maybe removed him? Someone should try to find this hack and give it to blizzard so they can see teh nature of it.
I think the best thing blizzard could do is create a second ladder and banish all the drop hackers there. Then they can all try to drop hack each other
On July 06 2011 06:51 Ryzu wrote: Actually, if you look closely, a lot of the other reported drop-hackers are in that same Bronze division!
AMAZING. ^_^ Blizzard, you should host a hacker tournament to see who is the best hacker, and then ban the winner On a serious note, at least they did something. What would be even more awesome is if it said "you have been demoted to bronze league!" after every game XD
I always believed that whenever they locked any account the account was never deleted; it just stayed where it was and was unable to be used. I assume this is the case, except that they demoted him so that people actually knew they took action. Assuming it is banned after the season lock is finished he wont be able to play his placement so it will be as if his account was deleted anyway.
Its not a second chance guys. Think about. Blizzard wants more information about how he hacks. This is the best way to do it. Let the kid keep playing in Bronze where the games don't really matter and observe. Eventually they will figure out how he does it and ban him then or just never let him be eligible for promotion.
On July 06 2011 07:57 Xolo wrote: Blizzard pretty much isn't willing to ban people anymore.
Last time Blizzard did a mass banwave, maphackers received 3 day suspensions.
"Hack your way to #1 in the world? Well here's a slap on the wrist with an account rollback. Now go think about what you've done!"
If Blizzard bans hackers, then those hackers probably won't buy the expansion packs, which means less money for them. The money is more important than the integrity of the game.
Dude, it's not like everyone hacks... if they ban hackers (or if they do what they are currently doing) there will be more people buying the game (or keep playing it) because the probability of matching up against a hacker will be lower.
Seriously, who wants to play against a hacker? =.=
they will reinforce banns of hackers they did that in wc3 during the transition into frozen throne expasion they also had a reinvested interest when they launched wow.. to ban more hackers to show they * care* pr i know but still i noticed . starcraft 2 has 2expasions planned they will keep banning till atleast after a year of legacy of the void has been released.
It was probably a deal of some sort. This guy had to know that people would realize he wasn't for real, he probably just wanted to play with it and show off that he could do it and then turned himself in to Blizzard and told them about the vulnerability. The amount of money he had the ability to save them probably offset the cost of a copy of the game, assuming that is what took place.
As funny as it may be, I'd much prefer the accounts fully banned and completely unusable. In this state they could still play in minor tourneys where a ban list might not be used before being sure all competitors are legitimate.
Additionally, I don't think they should be entitled to play UMS or use their copy of sc2 without purchasing a new one as a bit of a penalty for hacking.
On July 06 2011 10:31 Jonoman92 wrote: As funny as it may be, I'd much prefer the accounts fully banned and completely unusable. In this state they could still play in minor tourneys where a ban list might not be used before being sure all competitors are legitimate.
Additionally, I don't think they should be entitled to play UMS or use their copy of sc2 without purchasing a new one as a bit of a penalty for hacking.
They almost certainly ARE banned.
Blizzard have never removed banned accounts. The demotions for bronze would be to remove the accounts from GM league so they don't affect rankings.
probably blizzard put them in the same league, change their MMR to a whole new unique level (binding all the hackers MMR together), and then let them drop hack against each other lol
blizzard often does not delete banned accounts, they are just banned then sit in limbo forever. Those accounts will just disappear with the reset and that will be it.
When hackers hack each other: Hacker 1: "Hi I'm a drop hacker, I'm going to hack you " Hacker 2, thinking he is smarter and faster, activates his hack before typing: "ha ha I hacked you first" he says as his game starts to slow
Hacker 1, feeling his game begin to slow responds: "well, I guess we will see Who has the best hack!"
they both sit there for a minute, watching their games slow to the point of unplayability.
Hacker 2 begins to type, almost simultaneously with hacker 1:
"G........ . . .. . "
Bottom line is, I think what happens is the person with the best computer/bandwidth wins. Or in this case, Loses, because simply taking part in a hack war is for losers.
probably sent him to bronze because he might not be the hacker :/ probably he gave out his password to 'i'll help you get to GM if you want'. and as long as they don't ban him, he has incentives to give out info of how people go around hacking probably. and yeah, all in the same bronze division @.@
Hahaha they should make a banned league where banned people can only play banned people. They should also not inform the hackers that they have been caught. This way people just keep on having hack fights.
My personal opinion is that this is the immediate response. Basically Blizzard move ppl on ladders by creating new divisions for people with similar MMR. So essentially all they had to do was to change all the hackers MMR to a similar level ( in this case it would be a minus number) and move them to the same division, then lock that division. ( isolates most of them). I imagine this would free up the GM leagues while the division lock is in place, and it gives them at least 2 weeks to work on a more permanent solution.
I personally stand for Blocking IP's of known hackers. To people saying they wont do this due to revenue? you don't realize that having hackers in the game will do more damage to revenue than removing them?
how many people left games like counterstrike because of hacks?
On July 06 2011 06:51 Ryzu wrote: Actually, if you look closely, a lot of the other reported drop-hackers are in that same Bronze division!
If true, I heartily agree with this move by blizzard. Keeping them locked in bronze for 2 weeks and then banning them, hopefully the patch out the drop hack as well. I want Vibe to get back to the top slot!
The bronze league created may just be a way for Blizzard to collect data from these specific accounts into how they hack. That or this new league is a corral before they mass ban the accounts (I'm aware many hackers use guest account passes).
On July 06 2011 13:17 CeriseCherries wrote: Blizzard needs to look for more troll punishments.
Forever finding a match, 3-2- players dropped for hackers. Losing points for a win and losing points for a loss.
Blizzard can have a field day having some fun: why ban when you can troll.
They should pit them against an AI which drophacks the hackers every game, they are either bound to know whats up or complain, Blizzard should just respond "You have been trolled".
On July 06 2011 06:55 qqK wrote: It's all about who has the fastest drophack now.
Its funny you say that because I was actually looking at the build orders of the highest ranked players in GM and I happened to find a drop hacker vs drop hacker game. One of them had the faster drop, lol.
I'm going to figure that its a clever way of Blizzard to acquire more information about this guy. It is pretty comical that they put them all in the same division though.
One difficulty is that usually guest accounts are used for the hacking. I wonder if Blizzard keeps track of which guest accounts are connected to which CD keys/game accounts. If so, I further wonder if it would be feasible for them to send out a warning (update EULA) that any account whose guest pass is used for hacking/banned will cause them to be banned for the next season of multiplayer or worse.
These accounts must come from somewhere, I imagine that there are stooges on hacker forums providing their extra guest passes and it would be helpful if they could be dissuaded.
putting them in bronze league is quite insulting for real bronze players. i suggest putting them in a league call the cheater's league only made for hackers.
Why did they not banned this piece of shit? He will hack again... I got dropped so much - don't know if it was hacking all the time, but was most of the time right at the start of the game and I hate these retard-kiddy-hackers.
On July 06 2011 13:20 Voltus wrote: My personal opinion is that this is the immediate response. Basically Blizzard move ppl on ladders by creating new divisions for people with similar MMR. So essentially all they had to do was to change all the hackers MMR to a similar level ( in this case it would be a minus number) and move them to the same division, then lock that division. ( isolates most of them). I imagine this would free up the GM leagues while the division lock is in place, and it gives them at least 2 weeks to work on a more permanent solution.
I personally stand for Blocking IP's of known hackers. To people saying they wont do this due to revenue? you don't realize that having hackers in the game will do more damage to revenue than removing them?
how many people left games like counterstrike because of hacks?
You do realize it takes the majority of internet users mere minutes to change their IP right? Banning by IP is one of the most ineffective ways of removing someone from your service. It's not about revenue... It's a nonsensical form of punishment. What happens when the IP banned user resets his modem and gets a new ip? What happens then when a different user is then assigned that IP? what happens when the next 100 people who obtain that IP for a brief period of time try to use the service? Honestly...
The only way to go about it is to permanently ban the account.
It's kind of disgusting how many of you don't understand how any of the ladder system works. When Blizzard bans, the account has to stay in the system due to the way MMR works, most likely. We saw this with PiLLaGe and that other drophacker. Any hacker not in GM but banned anyways will stay in their league, frozen with their current ladder stash, simply looking like they stopped playing one day.
The only news here is that they've found some way to forcibly eject people from GM without bonus pool naturally accumulating.
On July 06 2011 14:31 aksfjh wrote: It's kind of disgusting how many of you don't understand how any of the ladder system works. When Blizzard bans, the account has to stay in the system due to the way MMR works, most likely. We saw this with PiLLaGe and that other drophacker. Any hacker not in GM but banned anyways will stay in their league, frozen with their current ladder stash, simply looking like they stopped playing one day.
The only news here is that they've found some way to forcibly eject people from GM without bonus pool naturally accumulating.
Don't forget that removing accounts completely would mess up the match history of those who played against them. Removing a player is almost impossible, they can just lock the account. Also, in this case they probably moved the drophackers only because they were in Grandmasters, which is used for blizzcon invites, and having drophackers there would mess up the statistics.
On July 06 2011 14:24 Kokujin wrote: pretty sure that the creation of this thread gives that hacker the 5 seconds of fame that made all that hacking worth it
Yes, I'm sure he needs the validation of a forum thread to have made it worthwhile!
A drop hacker only league does sounds a like a special kind of hell though. Good job from Blizzard.
Blizzard owns the account! And they dropped it to bronze to see how well their laddering system works. They're trolling us with the drop hax! Blizzard are spying on us! Quick! Into your bunkers! They only cost 25 minerals anyways
Maybe they are banned, but they don't remove their accounts on the ladder so they just get moved into bronze? if they do that to many at the same time they will generate a new bronze league which would explain it if there are more hackers in the same league...
My question is, do they keep the MMR? Cause they may be in bronze but if they keep the same MMR then they will still be playing GMs and stuff. Correct? I might be wrong.
On July 06 2011 15:24 Scriptix wrote: My question is, do they keep the MMR? Cause they may be in bronze but if they keep the same MMR then they will still be playing GMs and stuff. Correct? I might be wrong.
On July 06 2011 14:31 aksfjh wrote: It's kind of disgusting how many of you don't understand how any of the ladder system works. When Blizzard bans, the account has to stay in the system due to the way MMR works, most likely. We saw this with PiLLaGe and that other drophacker. Any hacker not in GM but banned anyways will stay in their league, frozen with their current ladder stash, simply looking like they stopped playing one day.
The only news here is that they've found some way to forcibly eject people from GM without bonus pool naturally accumulating.
Don't forget that removing accounts completely would mess up the match history of those who played against them. Removing a player is almost impossible, they can just lock the account. Also, in this case they probably moved the drophackers only because they were in Grandmasters, which is used for blizzcon invites, and having drophackers there would mess up the statistics.
Good points. You do have to realize that half the system for gameless demotion is in place for GM, so it was much easier to do as opposed to accounts in other leagues. Visibility probably had something to do with the implementation of a remote expulsion system tacked onto the GM league.
On July 06 2011 06:51 Ryzu wrote: Actually, if you look closely, a lot of the other reported drop-hackers are in that same Bronze division!
haha awesome, and the fact the division has the word "x-ray" in it, suggests that they made it to "get a closer look" at these hackers.... I would be curious to see if they are also banned though will be watching their 'games won' to see.....
On July 06 2011 16:12 tredogz wrote: Why do this?? so brand new players in bronze can get drop hacked now??? real nice
They can't play they are banned. They don't remove banned players from the server until reset so that all database links are valid ie when you click on match history, every game you played even vs a drop hacker is there. They were demoted to bronze so that the gm league didn't have hackers in it, as the gm league is used to tourney invites ect.
I bet it's just temporary. I haven't read through the thread, it's likely that somebody already mentioned this, but Blizzard tends to ban in waves. They probably just temporarily demoted them to make it their GM league legitimate again. I bet they'll ban them all and all other drop/maphackers detected at the start of season 3.
I think this is more demoralizing because the leagues are locked for two weeks! For two weeks this fuck will not be able to do anything! And plus, if he drop-hacks I'm sure he is a 12 year old kid that thinks he is cool that can't even win in Bronze League.
I've heard that in the next patch Blizzard is introducing "The GrandHacker League", maybe this is that bronze division but it doesnt have a new icon yet. When you are placed in GH you can use whatever cheat you like but you can face only other GH players. After season ends top GH and top GM player will play a showmatch during Blizzcon.
I don't think Blizzard is trolling or trying to be humorous. It just makes sense that if they don't delete accounts and they have to move it out of GM, they move it to bronze. Either it is banned or will be banned soon.
On July 06 2011 06:51 Ryzu wrote: Actually, if you look closely, all of the reported drop-hackers are in that same Bronze division! Blizz trolling.
What would be really trolling is if they were given mmr allow that they can only play each other and their mmr is so low that it's nearly impossible to play enough games to raise their mmr to play real people.
also they might just not want the hazzle of deleting everything about them... so they simply place them in a bronze league (guessing its pretty simple for them to change league) to simply remove them from the top parts of the ladder, then baning them. Perhaps someone that have the time and will to check will see if they actually play more games
the perfect troll would ofc be that they make a little function that drop hack them back every time they try to ladder?
On July 06 2011 13:20 Voltus wrote: My personal opinion is that this is the immediate response. Basically Blizzard move ppl on ladders by creating new divisions for people with similar MMR. So essentially all they had to do was to change all the hackers MMR to a similar level ( in this case it would be a minus number) and move them to the same division, then lock that division. ( isolates most of them). I imagine this would free up the GM leagues while the division lock is in place, and it gives them at least 2 weeks to work on a more permanent solution.
I personally stand for Blocking IP's of known hackers. To people saying they wont do this due to revenue? you don't realize that having hackers in the game will do more damage to revenue than removing them?
how many people left games like counterstrike because of hacks?
Yeah I'm also hoping for Blocking IP, but I still don't think it's what blizzard going to do.
It's Sisyphus, forever pushing his rock up to GM#1.
Actually I love the idea that Blizzard is trolling this guy. Don't ban him if he'll keep hacking, and they can keep working on a fix to his hack. Then when they've got the fix....WHAM! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
Would be awesome that they also got something like -1000000 MMR. Therefore hackers can only play hackers and will never reach a normal level again. Hahaha.
haha an OWN BRONZE LEAGUE only for drop hackers only possible to play against each other and drop each other out would so lol ^^ they need new icon no bronze but retards or something xD
It might be so that a lot of them is actually hacked accounts, thus blizzard doesn't ban them just make sure they aren't in GM when the old owners get them back.
Why do you assume he isn't banned? Just because you can see his profile doesn't mean that the account isn't banned . . . With WoW, banned players still have an armory page and show up in their guild roster and friend's list. I would expect they do the same with SC2. Profile and online presence stays while the account is unable to login and play
Nice! I hope all hackers go into one division that is locked, in bronze, all are always rank 99 with 0 points and max bonus pool. And like in GM, only play each other. Then, hack away.
Also, no second chances, that account needs to stick in there! Would be funny to me at least.
As much as I would like for the hackers to have been banned. I believe being forever in bronze is a worth punishment for now... that is if blizz gets their act together and figures out how to stop hackers because it just plain ruins the game.
i don't know why blizzard does not perma ban the hackers that are/were caught.
what's the point in bringing these hackers down to bronze? do they want the hackers to destroy the new players in the bronze league in which bronze league players will just quit the game altogether?
if blizzard really wants extra revenue, just ban the hackers so that they'll potentially buy the game again.
it would be funny if they put all the hackers in one and the same bronze division and they all wind up just playing each other without the possibility to get promoted or play anyone from any other division or league :D
If Blizzard has also adjusted their MMR to like -5000 or so, forcing them to only play each other for eternity, this is the GREATEST troll ever, surpassing even Uszat.
Banned accounts are still excisting accounts, they do show up in ladders and whatnot however the ability to logon has been removed. I believe the account is actually banned but the profile still simply excists, this is atleast how they take care of their WoW bans, assuming they do a similar approach to their SC2 accounts.
On July 06 2011 06:50 Secret05 wrote: maybe they haven't figured out exactly how to handle the specific hack he's using so for the time being they just demoted him to bronze
Yeah, that's really going to work.
40 more drophacked games and they will soar to Grandmaster League again.
On July 06 2011 23:34 evsky wrote: The ladder is locked though right? So noone can be promoted at the moment.
I still have serious doubts that the ladder lock will entirely work. Just because they can't soar to GM now doesn't mean they can't disrupt GM play by playing against GM players?
Blizzard should have all the drop hackers in one division and when they search for matches, they should only get another drop hacker of that same division.. haha would be fun :D
I would be really funny if blizzard just set the MMR of all the cheaters to some unreasonably low value so they could only be paired against each other...
I love how everybody has repeated what everyone else has said for the past ~10 pages.
But seriously this is pretty lols. They probably are banned, but either way, nuking 'em back to the bottom of bronze sure defeated anything they were trying to gain by being in GM league.
I mean think about it, the ladder was close to being locked, maybe there was the possibility that the huge surge in hackers so close to the end of the ladder was because losers out there wanted to completely ruin the state of the Season 2 Ladder, hopefully causing it to be locked in a really shitty state, ie 5 known hackers in the GM league :/
When blizzard previously banned account they were never removed from the ladder ranking as previously said ! So these account are banned he you look in the account history no recent game played! + they demoted them to bronze so they dont stay in the gm league forever
I don't get why people do this, it's a lot of money down the drain by getting banned. Question, with the ladder lock is it also impossible to get demoted opposed to promoted?
It doesn't even matter. The accounts are banned it's just standard Blizzard to not entirely delete an account for whatever purpose. The hackers can't play another game on the account and they're locked in at some mysterious bronze league.
On July 07 2011 01:31 Trizz wrote: I don't get why people do this, it's a lot of money down the drain by getting banned. Question, with the ladder lock is it also impossible to get demoted opposed to promoted?
Most of them are probably guest accounts tho. And no you cannot get promoted or demoted during the ladder lock.
this is what blizz should do to hackers in general, just move their accounts to specially made bronze divisions that can only play EACH OTHER... let them have fun playing other hackers forever
gj blizz on getting a handle on it as soon as staff got back from the holiday
They're most likely banned.. as in they can't log in with those accounts anymore, but the accounts themselves are still there. Blizzard for some reason has been doing their bans this way. During the last season, you would see a Master #1 hacker's account still sitting up there until it eventually sank.
However, with the introduction of locked top 200 GM this season, I guess Blizz took one more step than usual to remove them from GM. I don't know why they just didn't completely remove those accounts, but then I don't really know how that works, so I won't comment further on it.
Blizz demotes them all to bronze, they all drophack each other, staying at 50% win ratio, while Blizz sits back and figures out how their haxx work. #WINNING!
that ladder is full of drop hackers. they all have mad win streaks and are in bronze, makes no sense, these fools are drop hacking, all of them, rapdawg was gm also, hes in the bronze ladder now
On July 07 2011 03:23 kaisertoss wrote: that ladder is full of drop hackers. they all have mad win streaks and are in bronze, makes no sense, these fools are drop hacking, all of them, rapdawg was gm also, hes in the bronze ladder now
They WERE drop hacking. Blizzard has moved them all into their own "Hacking" group and more than likely, banned those accounts.
On July 07 2011 04:31 EliteReplay wrote: NrGMUTE drop hack me lol, being part of a good Team or they were good and doing this. here is the replay: NrGMUTE HACK
you were dropped when you were both on two base, drop hackers don't wait 10 minutes into the game to finally call it quits and get the win, they do it as soon as you get in the game. NrG is a pretty well known clan I'm betting you just got dropped it happens to me sometimes.
On July 07 2011 04:31 EliteReplay wrote: NrGMUTE drop hack me lol, being part of a good Team or they were good and doing this. here is the replay: NrGMUTE HACK
you were dropped when you were both on two base, drop hackers don't wait 10 minutes into the game to finally call it quits and get the win, they do it as soon as you get in the game. NrG is a pretty well known clan I'm betting you just got dropped it happens to me sometimes.
That's not completely true, the hack can be turned on whenever. There were some people that would play normal and only use the hack when they were losing.
As a player in bronze league, I am offended that Blizzard is choosing to put them in the same league as legitimate players like myself. If anything it shows that Blizzard has little respect for less experienced players that are still learning the game.
On July 07 2011 04:31 EliteReplay wrote: NrGMUTE drop hack me lol, being part of a good Team or they were good and doing this. here is the replay: NrGMUTE HACK
you were dropped when you were both on two base, drop hackers don't wait 10 minutes into the game to finally call it quits and get the win, they do it as soon as you get in the game. NrG is a pretty well known clan I'm betting you just got dropped it happens to me sometimes.
Yeah, and that is not what the screen looks like when you get drop hacked.
Wouldn't it be funny also if they were locked and not allowed to promote also. Haha. Stupid cheaters. Is it really that important to you? If so, why not practice?