EPTHoN Developer: Pirates killed LAN - Page 27
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RodYan
United States126 Posts
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On June 23 2011 14:59 MavercK wrote: stop acting like this entire community is stealing piracy is a small margin and nothing really changes that margin. the more a game is bought the more it is pirated. the less a game is bought the less it is pirated. it's always the same small minority margin. do super markets place huge restrictions on the way you shop because of shoplifters? do they say "if you dont want a security guard to follow you around the shop all day maybe you should stop stealing!" theft will always be present in every market forever. you want incentives for people to buy that they wont get if they steal. you DONT want incentives for people to steal other than cost. Piracy is way more widespread than shoplifting, as there is no reprecussions when downloading games compared to getting caught stealing. People can say what they will but my experience after working several years as a video game store manager is that piracy is a big deal and affects sales. People even pirate the GSL so i expect that SC2 with LAN would be a huge target. | ||
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
Speaking of goodwill, what about goodwill from the companies? Games have gotten more and more expensive with more games shipped as incomplete, stripped down versions that the user must buy expansion packs or DLCs to fully enjoy. How about companies that actually care about if people are enjoying the game? Which company lets you refund your $60 after you decided that the game is not for you? Fucking ridiculous for HoN developer to trash the users while somehow attempting to justify the money-sucking techniques that the industry has been using for the past 5 years. | ||
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FeiLing
Germany428 Posts
I don't really get this... they are worried by some poor dudes stealing the game (that has lan), being unable to play it online against everyone that bought it and on the other hand they don't implement features like a name change for 10$ or some stupid skins for stupid amounts of money, that would have made them more money than the sales of the game could ever have in no time. Look at HoN or even LoL and how many many people "donated" at least half of their salary every month just to have retarded forum avatars, limited edition skins with extra large boobs and other useless stuff. PS: My favorite game regarding this issue recently is CIV V - an excellent game - but you have to spent like 500 dollar on it to be able to play every civ/expansion. Seriously - I'd never ever consider buying this shit. Stop ripping people off, if you don't want them to steal your software... | ||
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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
do super markets place huge restrictions on the way you shop because of shoplifters? do they say "if you dont want a security guard to follow you around the shop all day maybe you should stop stealing!" Security Cameras Security Guards Scanners that detect electronics on the way out of the store One/two entrances to flow traffic in and out certain areas Glass cages around many electronics I am pretty sure they are good at adding strain to the customer to protect their profit...you are just so used to it by now. And don't pretend like the community doesn't pirate. It is indeed a large chunk of the community...it isn't some small obscure percent that does it. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:02 Charon1979 wrote: in fact i have never ever stolen from any company. In fact they have stolen my money for years now by providing no service, no gametime,... for my money. If i could i would go the store tell them "the game ist totally shit, i want my money back" THEN they would see how much money the just lose because of bad/cheap game design. There's reviews, demos and forums for that. Just cause you don't enjoy something you bought doesn't mean they stole your money. Try again. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:10 denzelz wrote: It makes me so furious to read what the HoN developer wrote talking about "goodwill" and how PC users just don't have it. What about the Indie Game Pack that was offered for free and made money from donations only? How much money did that make? Speaking of goodwill, what about goodwill from the companies? Games have gotten more and more expensive with more games shipped as incomplete, stripped down versions that the user must buy expansion packs or DLCs to fully enjoy. How about companies that actually care about if people are enjoying the game? Which company lets you refund your $60 after you decided that the game is not for you? Fucking ridiculous for HoN developer to trash the users while somehow attempting to justify the money-sucking techniques that the industry has been using for the past 5 years. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/10/an-inconvenient-truth-game-prices-have-come-down-with-time.ars Games were not cheaper before. Especially when taking inflation in account. | ||
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:12 Khaymus wrote: Security Cameras Security Guards Scanners that detect electronics on the way out of the store One/two entrances to flow traffic in and out certain areas Glass cages around many electronics I am pretty sure they are good at adding strain to the customer to protect their profit...you are just so used to it by now. And don't pretend like the community doesn't pirate. It is indeed a large chunk of the community...it isn't some small obscure percent that does it. none of those interfere with you shopping however other than a short wait time if it's busy. but whatever. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:09 IcedBacon wrote: This thread is pretty terrible, I bet 95% of the people commentating on it have no experience with hacking and/or economics. Don't disregard the guy's arguments as bullshit if you can't prove that Blizzard won't lose any money to pirates if they implemented LAN support. I think most people would concede that they would lose money, it's more whether that loss is negligible enough to not care about or too much to risk it. | ||
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
On June 23 2011 14:25 visual77 wrote: That would be so retarded. Why would they want to hunt down their fans and treat them like criminals? Have you noticed how hated the RIAA is these days? Is any other industry going to take a lesson from this and handle the transition to the digital age properly? More importantly, as a consumer, why do you even think this is remotely acceptable? Did they really brainwash you that badly? What are you talking about? RIAA? Digital age? Are you saying people are entitled to a video game, which the developers want compensation for, for free? What I'm saying is this: if Blizzard wants people to pay $50 to play their game, then they should have that right and this right should be protected by law. It's the consumers choice to accept the deal or not. If you took their game for free... then you are, in fact, stealing. And as for brainwashing I'm not sure but... it seems like they brainwashed me to think people like you lack any intelligence. Please make your arguments more clear next time. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:16 MavercK wrote: none of those interfere with you shopping however other than a short wait time if it's busy. but whatever. Many times stores can't remove alarms from packages and the alarm goes of in another store when you walk in/out. Security guards don't harass regular joes but people who look different, i've read about many cases of discrimination by security guards in stores. Costs are higher due to these security issues so without them we'd have cheaper stuff. Doesn't that interfere? | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On June 23 2011 13:24 dbddbddb wrote: the majority of the games i download are single player only games that i would really never bother paying money for in the first place. developers wouldnt even have made a cent from me so it doesnt really hurt anyone. of course, there are games that i would definitely fork out the money for even if they are only single player (eg skyrim). pirates arent thieves. music and movies on the other hand.... Pirates are thieves, your taking a product without paying, I don't understand how Singleplayer games makes it any different? Even if you would never buy it your still taking it. See my previous example, but let's say you walk into a Ferrari dealership smash a window, hotwire and drive off into the sunset, but it's ok right becaues you'd never buy one normally, totally not theft. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:19 Skithiryx wrote: Pirates are thieves, your taking a product without paying, I don't understand how Singleplayer games makes it any different? Even if you would never buy it your still taking it. See my previous example, but let's say you walk into a Ferrari dealership smash a window, hotwire and drive off into the sunset, but it's ok right becaues you'd never buy one normally, totally not theft. Your arguments are bordering on nonsensical. It's not up for debate whether piracy is stealing as it falls under an entirely different definition. | ||
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kingcoyote
United States546 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:18 Gak2 wrote: What are you talking about? RIAA? Digital age? Are you saying people are entitled to a video game, which the developers want compensation for, for free? What I'm saying is this: if Blizzard wants people to pay $50 to play their game, then they should have that right and this right should be protected by law. It's the consumers choice to accept the deal or not. If you took their game for free... then you are, in fact, stealing. And as for brainwashing I'm not sure but... it seems like they brainwashed me to think people like you lack any intelligence. Please make your arguments more clear next time. Nope. You're a lost cause. See you in 10 years when things have changed. But I'm sure when that happens, you will have no realization of why, what economics changed, or how the industry adapted. Enjoy your carriage, friend. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:12 Coldplum wrote: I don't see why there can't be some sort of security feature built in that forces you to log onto Bnet before you can access LAN. Or even have a separate LAN security identifier accessory...i.e. like an identifier key-chain that you purchase in conjunction with your account. There was one with CoD4 as far as i remember ( you had to be logged on steam or something around the lines ) and after following a simple 14 step tutorial you could still get it working on "LAN". Hence even i was able to do it and i suck at about everything related to a PC, it took me hours of work to set up my linux... As long as they don't want ppl to play there game online for free the only solution is not to make LAN, i am amazed that it took them 6 years to realize this... We might see LAN arrive as soon as some "private server" is invented for sc2 ( tho i imagine it would be harder then with wow ) since then the whole " We don't give LAN so that ppl can't play online with a cracked version" isn't true anymore. | ||
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kingcoyote
United States546 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:19 Skithiryx wrote: Pirates are thieves, your taking a product without paying, I don't understand how Singleplayer games makes it any different? Even if you would never buy it your still taking it. See my previous example, but let's say you walk into a Ferrari dealership smash a window, hotwire and drive off into the sunset, but it's ok right becaues you'd never buy one normally, totally not theft. Hah. This just makes me laugh. I really wish I could see the kind of shit you said circa 2001 as the music industry was forced into a change it didn't want to make. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:21 Seronei wrote: They think Lan will increase piracy, but there is no way to know until they add lan and see an increase in pirated software coupled with a decline in sales. Else they're just playing a guessing game. Until then they're just spouting bullshit. Also the reddit link has nothing to do with "goodwill" it has everything to do with the Witcher 2 being hyped as shit among PC-gaming crowd and graphics that uses high end pc hardware. So they can shut down tournaments that doesn't have a license. To prevent the whole kespa deal that happened with Brood War. What you're saying is you need to see evidential proof that if you let people play the game without requiring them to connect to a main server they will take advantage of that fact? | ||
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:25 visual77 wrote: Nope. You're a lost cause. See you in 10 years when things have changed. But I'm sure when that happens, you will have no realization of why, what economics changed, or how the industry adapted. Enjoy your carriage, friend. Calling me a lost cause based on two forum posts in which I invite arguments against my own? That's pretty low. Even for a troll. | ||
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