EPTbtw nice thread derailing.
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Demonzii
Netherlands180 Posts
btw nice thread derailing. | ||
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DizzyDrone
Netherlands629 Posts
On June 28 2011 06:52 Olinim wrote: Destiny winning some games against the absolute best players? Can you link me to the Destiny vs oGsMC and ST_bomber vods? Thanks. Figured this was relevant enough for me to respond to this post; + Show Spoiler + Destiny takes out Bomber in a bo3 in the Nvidea GeForce tournament http://wellplayed.org/forum/general-starcraft-ii/thread/destiny-vs-st.bomber-58minute-game/show | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:48 DizzyDrone wrote: Figured this was relevant enough for me to respond to this post; + Show Spoiler + Destiny takes out Bomber in a bo3 in the Nvidea GeForce tournament http://wellplayed.org/forum/general-starcraft-ii/thread/destiny-vs-st.bomber-58minute-game/show Sometimes the poetic justice that occurs from the randomness of the world makes all the suffering worth it. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
. However, these words do have dark, hateful meanings behind them. If you want to use them anyway in the name of humor, that is your prerogative but don't try to downplay what they mean and rationalize their meaning away. When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided. So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them. And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature. | ||
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425kid
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badcnr
Canada116 Posts
On June 29 2011 06:00 Belial88 wrote: ^lol When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided. So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them. And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature. I do agree with you for the most part except saying he is insensitive and immature. I can definatley see how some people would find him that way. I will just say in my opinion especially after watching him on his stream doing the 3 hr debate about language their was a few people that called and some of the words directly offended them and he didnt use that word towards them. Or when Sheth was doing a stream for charity and destiny went on his stream and sheth asked if should change his rating to only 18+ but Destiny said he would tone it down so he could keep his audience. I wont say he didnt slip up but the guy does is not insensitive. Its his stream. I wont say he doesnt act immature sometimes or act insensitive but we all do that at some point. One on one or even a small group you should be more sensitive to each persons needs but as your group grows larger the person's needs out weigh the capability of the speaker. For example you can say something about marines and upset a war vet, or say something about rape and hurt the rape victim, or make a small joke that has absolutely no profanity and remind a listener of a time a bully did that to him but at a more embarassing time. There is almost tooo many outcomes where people will get offended by words. I am just sharing my opinion. I wont tell people how form their own opinion. Just i could see how people could view him like that. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I agree with you completely though. I think on SoTG with Destiny & Idra vs Incontrol, Destiny & Idra were right and Incontrol was being ridiculous. Some people just get offended at anything, and most people get offended by something. Destiny can be offensive, he's a different type of material, and everyone knows that. No one watches his stream and stays tuned and is surprised. It really bothers me when people want to censure or complain about someone being politically incorrect or offensive. It's also pretty ridiculous when people who aren't the ones being offended complain. They did a study that just came out, apparently, that found out that those who were the most ardent anti-gay marriage and whatnot type of people got the most sexual stimulation from watching gay porn (I live in San Francisco, what can I say). So i guess that means that those who hate destiny are actually...lol | ||
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badcnr
Canada116 Posts
On June 29 2011 07:44 Belial88 wrote: ^ I didn't say he was insensitive or immature, I said at worst, you could say Destiny is insensitive because he uses the words raped... or really, that's the worst I've heard him say. Personally I don't think he is, but people who are a bit ridiculous think that. The same people who are clammering about a video game having to meet certain standards other than make money. I agree with you completely though. I think on SoTG with Destiny & Idra vs Incontrol, Destiny & Idra were right and Incontrol was being ridiculous. Some people just get offended at anything, and most people get offended by something. Destiny can be offensive, he's a different type of material, and everyone knows that. No one watches his stream and stays tuned and is surprised. It really bothers me when people want to censure or complain about someone being politically incorrect or offensive. It's also pretty ridiculous when people who aren't the ones being offended complain. They did a study that just came out, apparently, that found out that those who were the most ardent anti-gay marriage and whatnot type of people got the most sexual stimulation from watching gay porn (I live in San Francisco, what can I say). So i guess that means that those who hate destiny are actually...lol lol maybe thats why they are most offended. Definately could make sense.. | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
On June 29 2011 06:00 Belial88 wrote: ^lol When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided. So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them. And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature. Throughout this entire discussion, people have been saying that if you say the work jokingly, or if you don't genuinely believe in the racist viewpoints they convey, that the words lose their racist meanings. This is untrue. The pejorative context of these words, even in joking, is exclusively derived from their hateful past. That is all that I have been saying this entire time. | ||
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Stam
24 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:11 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Throughout this entire discussion, people have been saying that if you say the work jokingly, or if you don't genuinely believe in the racist viewpoints they convey, that the words lose their racist meanings. This is untrue. The pejorative context of these words, even in joking, is exclusively derived from their hateful past. That is all that I have been saying this entire time. Of course they don't lose their meaning. If they did it wouldn't be funny. The reason it's funny is that they are such hateful words but used so out of context. It's the physical comedy equivalent of jumping up to someone who isn't expecting it. It's for the shock value. edit: Since we're on this topic, here's Debo's view: | ||
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badcnr
Canada116 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:11 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Throughout this entire discussion, people have been saying that if you say the work jokingly, or if you don't genuinely believe in the racist viewpoints they convey, that the words lose their racist meanings. This is untrue. The pejorative context of these words, even in joking, is exclusively derived from their hateful past. That is all that I have been saying this entire time. Oh my gosh you are so right. Cause then that would mean the context could change the meaning of the word. I think i got your message. How about you just keep on believing this. Then as the world seems to get more weird and more and more people keep missing your meaning you can understand that the world changes. Cause I really dont see any proof for your reasoning. | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
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Mordiford
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badcnr
Canada116 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:43 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Life must be hard for you. Actually unlike some people my life is a lot less stressed. I accept change. My outlook of life is broader than most. I definately can open my eyes to possiblities. If my life is hard its only cause open my life to it and find it more rewarding actually having a challenge. It really must be a struggle for you when you come across people who dont actually accept things because some one says they are that way. | ||
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badcnr
Canada116 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:47 Mordiford wrote: I have absolutely no idea why this thread isn't locked yet. agreed. | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
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badcnr
Canada116 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:16 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Mods must enjoy reading my posts. Lol or still trying to figure out what you actually mean or if you really do have a point? sorry this might be my opinion, But i still feel the need to express it . | ||
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sleigh bells
United States358 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:17 Stam wrote: Of course they don't lose their meaning. If they did it wouldn't be funny. The reason it's funny is that they are such hateful words but used so out of context. It's the physical comedy equivalent of jumping up to someone who isn't expecting it. It's for the shock value. edit: Since we're on this topic, here's Debo's view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggdFHlm5O8 debo's point is that one needs to make more money at sc2 than destiny to have a valid viewpoint...right...clearly no one thinks that debo actually has a real point. it's because debo is black. and wtf, anyone can get any number of black guys who say that they are indeed hurt by that word being thrown around. i think both sides are being kind of stupid. any time there's an argument, some people say some stupid shit, other people say "HATER," etc. destiny can say what he wants. i personally think he's a bit of an asshole, but hey. i'm sure destiny is fine with that. | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:22 badcnr wrote: Lol or still trying to figure out what you actually mean or if you really do have a point? sorry this might be my opinion, But i still feel the need to express it . I would express my honest opinion here but I don't want to disparage the Canadian education system. | ||
BigFan
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