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It is highly recommended that your read this entire thread - at least until page 10. If you make uninformed opinions that have been answered by the thread, col management or Destiny, you will be banned.
Demonzii
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands180 Posts
June 28 2011 09:59 GMT
#1261
I wish destiny the best of luck in the future, he will find a new team im sure!

btw nice thread derailing.
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
June 28 2011 20:48 GMT
#1262
On June 28 2011 06:52 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:38 hejakev wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:18 LegendaryZ wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:14 hejakev wrote:
How about being in grandmasters, competing, and playing even games against people who win tournaments? I'd say just being GM, but that would include some trash like Deezer and Combatex. There's a reason players like Huk come over to NA just to play him, and there's a reason he's constantly getting matched against players like Idra on the ladder.


Sure, if you look at the million+ people that play Starcraft 2, then I suppose you can say he's "one of the best", but the truth is that he probably wouldn't break into the top 200 players on a global scale so as far as the professional scene is concerned, he's not and to say that he is just waters down the phrase. Just being in GM doesn't automatically qualify you for that title. As far as the professional scene is concerned, that is just a given.

Personally I'm tired of people constantly throwing around the "one of the best in the world" tag. It's used so often it's just become meaningless...


Oh wow, nice edit.

He plays with the best players, he's winning some games against the absolute best players, I don't know how else you'd describe him. He's only been on teams and competing for a few months, yet he can make a big enough impact for players from other servers want to come practice with him.

Huk wouldn't come to NA to waste his time on some nobody.

Destiny winning some games against the absolute best players? Can you link me to the Destiny vs oGsMC and ST_bomber vods? Thanks.


Figured this was relevant enough for me to respond to this post;

+ Show Spoiler +

Destiny takes out Bomber in a bo3 in the Nvidea GeForce tournament
http://wellplayed.org/forum/general-starcraft-ii/thread/destiny-vs-st.bomber-58minute-game/show
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
June 28 2011 20:50 GMT
#1263
On June 29 2011 05:48 DizzyDrone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:52 Olinim wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:38 hejakev wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:18 LegendaryZ wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:14 hejakev wrote:
How about being in grandmasters, competing, and playing even games against people who win tournaments? I'd say just being GM, but that would include some trash like Deezer and Combatex. There's a reason players like Huk come over to NA just to play him, and there's a reason he's constantly getting matched against players like Idra on the ladder.


Sure, if you look at the million+ people that play Starcraft 2, then I suppose you can say he's "one of the best", but the truth is that he probably wouldn't break into the top 200 players on a global scale so as far as the professional scene is concerned, he's not and to say that he is just waters down the phrase. Just being in GM doesn't automatically qualify you for that title. As far as the professional scene is concerned, that is just a given.

Personally I'm tired of people constantly throwing around the "one of the best in the world" tag. It's used so often it's just become meaningless...


Oh wow, nice edit.

He plays with the best players, he's winning some games against the absolute best players, I don't know how else you'd describe him. He's only been on teams and competing for a few months, yet he can make a big enough impact for players from other servers want to come practice with him.

Huk wouldn't come to NA to waste his time on some nobody.

Destiny winning some games against the absolute best players? Can you link me to the Destiny vs oGsMC and ST_bomber vods? Thanks.


Figured this was relevant enough for me to respond to this post;

+ Show Spoiler +

Destiny takes out Bomber in a bo3 in the Nvidea GeForce tournament
http://wellplayed.org/forum/general-starcraft-ii/thread/destiny-vs-st.bomber-58minute-game/show


Sometimes the poetic justice that occurs from the randomness of the world makes all the suffering worth it.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
June 28 2011 21:00 GMT
#1264
^lol

. However, these words do have dark, hateful meanings behind them. If you want to use them anyway in the name of humor, that is your prerogative but don't try to downplay what they mean and rationalize their meaning away.


When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided.

So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them.

And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature.
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425kid
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
June 28 2011 21:02 GMT
#1265
when is that match going to be casted?
badcnr
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada116 Posts
June 28 2011 22:05 GMT
#1266
On June 29 2011 06:00 Belial88 wrote:
^lol

Show nested quote +
. However, these words do have dark, hateful meanings behind them. If you want to use them anyway in the name of humor, that is your prerogative but don't try to downplay what they mean and rationalize their meaning away.


When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided.

So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them.

And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature.

I do agree with you for the most part except saying he is insensitive and immature. I can definatley see how some people would find him that way. I will just say in my opinion especially after watching him on his stream doing the 3 hr debate about language their was a few people that called and some of the words directly offended them and he didnt use that word towards them. Or when Sheth was doing a stream for charity and destiny went on his stream and sheth asked if should change his rating to only 18+ but Destiny said he would tone it down so he could keep his audience. I wont say he didnt slip up but the guy does is not insensitive. Its his stream. I wont say he doesnt act immature sometimes or act insensitive but we all do that at some point. One on one or even a small group you should be more sensitive to each persons needs but as your group grows larger the person's needs out weigh the capability of the speaker. For example you can say something about marines and upset a war vet, or say something about rape and hurt the rape victim, or make a small joke that has absolutely no profanity and remind a listener of a time a bully did that to him but at a more embarassing time. There is almost tooo many outcomes where people will get offended by words.
I am just sharing my opinion. I wont tell people how form their own opinion. Just i could see how people could view him like that.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 22:45:01
June 28 2011 22:44 GMT
#1267
^ I didn't say he was insensitive or immature, I said at worst, you could say Destiny is insensitive because he uses the words raped... or really, that's the worst I've heard him say. Personally I don't think he is, but people who are a bit ridiculous think that. The same people who are clammering about a video game having to meet certain standards other than make money.

I agree with you completely though. I think on SoTG with Destiny & Idra vs Incontrol, Destiny & Idra were right and Incontrol was being ridiculous. Some people just get offended at anything, and most people get offended by something. Destiny can be offensive, he's a different type of material, and everyone knows that. No one watches his stream and stays tuned and is surprised.

It really bothers me when people want to censure or complain about someone being politically incorrect or offensive. It's also pretty ridiculous when people who aren't the ones being offended complain. They did a study that just came out, apparently, that found out that those who were the most ardent anti-gay marriage and whatnot type of people got the most sexual stimulation from watching gay porn (I live in San Francisco, what can I say). So i guess that means that those who hate destiny are actually...lol
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badcnr
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada116 Posts
June 28 2011 22:57 GMT
#1268
On June 29 2011 07:44 Belial88 wrote:
^ I didn't say he was insensitive or immature, I said at worst, you could say Destiny is insensitive because he uses the words raped... or really, that's the worst I've heard him say. Personally I don't think he is, but people who are a bit ridiculous think that. The same people who are clammering about a video game having to meet certain standards other than make money.

I agree with you completely though. I think on SoTG with Destiny & Idra vs Incontrol, Destiny & Idra were right and Incontrol was being ridiculous. Some people just get offended at anything, and most people get offended by something. Destiny can be offensive, he's a different type of material, and everyone knows that. No one watches his stream and stays tuned and is surprised.

It really bothers me when people want to censure or complain about someone being politically incorrect or offensive. It's also pretty ridiculous when people who aren't the ones being offended complain. They did a study that just came out, apparently, that found out that those who were the most ardent anti-gay marriage and whatnot type of people got the most sexual stimulation from watching gay porn (I live in San Francisco, what can I say). So i guess that means that those who hate destiny are actually...lol

lol maybe thats why they are most offended. Definately could make sense..
bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
June 29 2011 00:11 GMT
#1269
On June 29 2011 06:00 Belial88 wrote:
^lol

Show nested quote +
. However, these words do have dark, hateful meanings behind them. If you want to use them anyway in the name of humor, that is your prerogative but don't try to downplay what they mean and rationalize their meaning away.


When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided.

So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them.

And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature.


Throughout this entire discussion, people have been saying that if you say the work jokingly, or if you don't genuinely believe in the racist viewpoints they convey, that the words lose their racist meanings. This is untrue. The pejorative context of these words, even in joking, is exclusively derived from their hateful past. That is all that I have been saying this entire time.
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
Stam
Profile Joined April 2011
24 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 00:19:55
June 29 2011 00:17 GMT
#1270
On June 29 2011 09:11 bahl sofs tiil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 06:00 Belial88 wrote:
^lol

. However, these words do have dark, hateful meanings behind them. If you want to use them anyway in the name of humor, that is your prerogative but don't try to downplay what they mean and rationalize their meaning away.


When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided.

So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them.

And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature.


Throughout this entire discussion, people have been saying that if you say the work jokingly, or if you don't genuinely believe in the racist viewpoints they convey, that the words lose their racist meanings. This is untrue. The pejorative context of these words, even in joking, is exclusively derived from their hateful past. That is all that I have been saying this entire time.


Of course they don't lose their meaning. If they did it wouldn't be funny. The reason it's funny is that they are such hateful words but used so out of context. It's the physical comedy equivalent of jumping up to someone who isn't expecting it. It's for the shock value.


edit:

Since we're on this topic, here's Debo's view:


badcnr
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada116 Posts
June 29 2011 01:06 GMT
#1271
On June 29 2011 09:11 bahl sofs tiil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 06:00 Belial88 wrote:
^lol

. However, these words do have dark, hateful meanings behind them. If you want to use them anyway in the name of humor, that is your prerogative but don't try to downplay what they mean and rationalize their meaning away.


When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided.

So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them.

And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature.


Throughout this entire discussion, people have been saying that if you say the work jokingly, or if you don't genuinely believe in the racist viewpoints they convey, that the words lose their racist meanings. This is untrue. The pejorative context of these words, even in joking, is exclusively derived from their hateful past. That is all that I have been saying this entire time.

Oh my gosh you are so right. Cause then that would mean the context could change the meaning of the word. I think i got your message. How about you just keep on believing this. Then as the world seems to get more weird and more and more people keep missing your meaning you can understand that the world changes. Cause I really dont see any proof for your reasoning.
bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
June 29 2011 01:43 GMT
#1272
Life must be hard for you.
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 29 2011 01:47 GMT
#1273
I have absolutely no idea why this thread isn't locked yet.
badcnr
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada116 Posts
June 29 2011 01:58 GMT
#1274
On June 29 2011 10:43 bahl sofs tiil wrote:
Life must be hard for you.

Actually unlike some people my life is a lot less stressed. I accept change. My outlook of life is broader than most. I definately can open my eyes to possiblities. If my life is hard its only cause open my life to it and find it more rewarding actually having a challenge. It really must be a struggle for you when you come across people who dont actually accept things because some one says they are that way.
badcnr
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada116 Posts
June 29 2011 01:59 GMT
#1275
On June 29 2011 10:47 Mordiford wrote:
I have absolutely no idea why this thread isn't locked yet.

agreed.
bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
June 29 2011 02:16 GMT
#1276
Mods must enjoy reading my posts.
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
badcnr
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada116 Posts
June 29 2011 02:22 GMT
#1277
On June 29 2011 11:16 bahl sofs tiil wrote:
Mods must enjoy reading my posts.

Lol or still trying to figure out what you actually mean or if you really do have a point? sorry this might be my opinion, But i still feel the need to express it .
sleigh bells
Profile Joined April 2011
United States358 Posts
June 29 2011 02:34 GMT
#1278
On June 29 2011 09:17 Stam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 09:11 bahl sofs tiil wrote:
On June 29 2011 06:00 Belial88 wrote:
^lol

. However, these words do have dark, hateful meanings behind them. If you want to use them anyway in the name of humor, that is your prerogative but don't try to downplay what they mean and rationalize their meaning away.


When did I, or anyone else, or Destiny, downplayed what they mean or rationalize their meaning away? We are well aware that in certain contexts, these words are harmful, and can bring up pains and troubles for people that they themselves are powerless to have avoided.

So I ask again - what is your point? Are you trying to say Destiny is bad for e-sports? Are you not trying to say he offends you but he offends others? I've been following what you've said, and you keep repeating that these words have a dreadful history behind them. Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that or they wouldn't find it so funny when Destiny said them.

And I'm pretty certain Destiny has never used these words in a hateful way, but only to raise a discussion about the words in the exact same way we are - but I don't want to focus the argument on that because first off, I don't know that for sure, I haven't watched his stream every single minute, and secondly, I don't think it matters if he has because everyone knows he isn't racist, and everyone already says he is insensitive and immature - and personally I don't care if he is insensitive and immature.


Throughout this entire discussion, people have been saying that if you say the work jokingly, or if you don't genuinely believe in the racist viewpoints they convey, that the words lose their racist meanings. This is untrue. The pejorative context of these words, even in joking, is exclusively derived from their hateful past. That is all that I have been saying this entire time.


Of course they don't lose their meaning. If they did it wouldn't be funny. The reason it's funny is that they are such hateful words but used so out of context. It's the physical comedy equivalent of jumping up to someone who isn't expecting it. It's for the shock value.


edit:

Since we're on this topic, here's Debo's view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggdFHlm5O8

debo's point is that one needs to make more money at sc2 than destiny to have a valid viewpoint...right...clearly no one thinks that debo actually has a real point. it's because debo is black.

and wtf, anyone can get any number of black guys who say that they are indeed hurt by that word being thrown around.

i think both sides are being kind of stupid. any time there's an argument, some people say some stupid shit, other people say "HATER," etc. destiny can say what he wants. i personally think he's a bit of an asshole, but hey. i'm sure destiny is fine with that.
Sup son? ¯\__(ツ)__/¯
bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 02:38:06
June 29 2011 02:36 GMT
#1279
On June 29 2011 11:22 badcnr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 11:16 bahl sofs tiil wrote:
Mods must enjoy reading my posts.

Lol or still trying to figure out what you actually mean or if you really do have a point? sorry this might be my opinion, But i still feel the need to express it .


I would express my honest opinion here but I don't want to disparage the Canadian education system.
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 02:57:17
June 29 2011 02:56 GMT
#1280
Why hasn't this thread been closed already? It's been de-railed from the OP so much. I think this split was the best idea since Destiny and Complexity aren't agreeing with each other
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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