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SomeONEx
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden641 Posts
June 22 2011 22:17 GMT
#41
I don't play with the "normal" hot keys (for example 9 is on Z) and I have changed almost every other key bind in the game as well so I really only use my middle and index-fingers. I think that my ring- and pinkyfingers are far to weak for my "hard" keyboard (I use some keyboard I got with my computer, and I like it, but it wasn't made for gaming either).
BW hwaiting!
Szuu
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 03:59:04
July 13 2011 03:58 GMT
#42
Personally I use just hotkeys 1-5. Hotkey setup like empire.kas, 5 cc/4 production buildings/1-3 units.

I use my ring finger for 1, middle for 2, index for 3. But when I move up to my production buildings (4/5). I use my index finger for 5 and my middle finger for 4. This basicly creates two groups, units and buildings. It allows me to move within those groups extremely quickly.

As for getting used to using new fingers, I'm sure you're familiar with spamming at the start of games. Spam a little at the start of the game, using those fingers, this will increase the dexterity and strength of those fingers. Imagine you are doing something in-game, go between 1 - 5 - 4 - 1 - 5 - 1 - 3 - 2 - 5 - 4 - 1. Just do that, before you know it you'll be improving those mechanics.
"Lifting up buildings is a counter to Zerglings!"
Mordoc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States162 Posts
July 13 2011 04:01 GMT
#43
I believe that if you can implement your "Ring" finger for 1 and still use your middle finger for 2-3 and the index finger for the rest, will give you the better idea of where each button is. My idea was derived from playing the piano


Wait, people don't use their ring finger for one? What do they use? Middle finger?

Personally I use pinkie for ctrl+shift, ring for tab+tilde+1, middle for 2+3, and pointer for 4+5+6(sometimes).
naggerNZ
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand708 Posts
July 13 2011 04:05 GMT
#44
I use the Command button on my Mac keyboard instead of the Ctrl key, so I keep my thumb on that and pivot my hand around it. My hand rests naturally with my pinky on the shift key, and my ring finger, index finger and pointer finger sit on 1 through 4.
[MLG]GCA
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States90 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 04:57:06
July 13 2011 04:42 GMT
#45
Creating a fast early game spam really gave me a feel for my keyboard and gets me into a good rhythm for macroing as the game goes on. Early on I spam 3-4-5, and bounce back and forth between my scout/early units and production quite often. At first it was a little akward, but I really noticed an improvement in my play once I got used to it.

I have Ring-Middle-Index on 3-4-5 and spam it as much as I can all game. By doing so, I keep an eye on my Nexuses, Production, Upgrades, and a special unit set. I extend my ring finger down to use 1 and 2 for army control, and my index finger down for 6, 7 and 0 for specialized production and upgrading. I use my pinky for ctrl and shift.

I spam at about 300-350 APM really early, usually settling at around 150-200 average when the game really gets going. During intense lategame situations I'll spike back up to around 300, sometimes over. I used to average around 80-120 APM, but after getting used to spamming really early I noticed my performance, especially lategame, improve dramtically.

Key assignments:

1 - Main ground army (Zealot, Stalker, Sentry, Immortal, Collosus)

2 - High Templar almost exclusively late, but will use to split an early Gateway army or assign to Collosus.

3 - A harass unit, Observer, split army to deal with drops or air units, which I like to have in my continuous spam so that I remember to pay attention to them.

4 - Nexuses

5 - All production and upgrade structures. Warpgates take priority over all others, so I use this to produce out of Warpgates only. The other structures are included in just to keep an eye on them.

6 - Robo

7 - Stargate

0 - Forge
Intricate1
Profile Joined May 2011
169 Posts
July 13 2011 04:43 GMT
#46
Been working on this recently-

This helped me alot, found the only good keyboard view, luckily its boxer and I really like his general style.

Been watching that in slowmo ala-




Also, If anyone has Tasteless's actual
"Secrets of StarCraft Pro Gamers - The Competitive Keyboard 1/2/3" PM ME!

Secrets of StarCraft Pro Gamers - The Competitive Keyboard Part 1
http://www.latingamers.net/foro/index.php?topic=4366.0

Secrets of StarCraft Pro Gamers - The Competitive Keyboard Part 3
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Tnkkud317-oJ:www.cyberneticpunks.com/forums/starcraft-2-wings-liberty/2494-starcraft-keyboard-tutorial-tasteless-part-3-a.html http://www.cyberneticpunks.com/blogs/Tasteless/Starcraft-competitive-keyboard-tutorial-part-II&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
July 13 2011 06:29 GMT
#47
Use your pinky people. Use it!

1-Main army
2- Ranged units or secondary army
3- cute units HTs/prisms/pheonix etc..
4- proxy pylon
5- all nexus' (use F keys to get around)
6- gateways
7- robo
8- stargates
9 and 0 observers and scouts
fritos
Profile Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
July 13 2011 17:13 GMT
#48
On July 13 2011 13:43 Intricate1 wrote:
Been working on this recently-

This helped me alot, found the only good keyboard view, luckily its boxer and I really like his general style.

Been watching that in slowmo ala-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkzucf2Cc3M



Also, If anyone has Tasteless's actual
"Secrets of StarCraft Pro Gamers - The Competitive Keyboard 1/2/3" PM ME!

Secrets of StarCraft Pro Gamers - The Competitive Keyboard Part 1
http://www.latingamers.net/foro/index.php?topic=4366.0

Secrets of StarCraft Pro Gamers - The Competitive Keyboard Part 3
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Tnkkud317-oJ:www.cyberneticpunks.com/forums/starcraft-2-wings-liberty/2494-starcraft-keyboard-tutorial-tasteless-part-3-a.html http://www.cyberneticpunks.com/blogs/Tasteless/Starcraft-competitive-keyboard-tutorial-part-II&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com


Those are some nice links. grrrrr..
p1cKLes
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
July 14 2011 19:51 GMT
#49
Ok, I guess I’m way offffff…. I type reports all day long (somewhat of a typist) and so I’m pretty use to using my pinky. When I play SC2 my hand lays in the exact same position as it does when I’m typing. It starts out on ASDF, with my pinky on A. I also use the grid layout and not the default setting for hot keys. So for me the attack key is T. The reason I did this was that way I could play all the races, and the buildings and attacks would be pretty much the same across the board. That way if I ever decide to transition into another race it’s relatively easy. For example, probes, scvs and drones are all Q.

1 – 1-3 for attack units
4 – CC
5 – Unit producing buildings
6 – Tech Station Upgrades
7 – Unit Upgrades
8 -0 – Whatever I want, but I don’t typically use these that much. I do have 8 bound to the side of my mouse and sometimes use an scv for that one. That way I can double click it and build a building quicker.

I do tab a lot, but I’ve gotten good at it. I don’t even think about it.

As far as which fingers I use for each key. My pinky hits 1, ring 2, middle 3, index 4-7. For typing it’s usually 4-6, but I don’t like taking my fingers of my mouse ever.

My APM is between 90-100, but this is also my first RTS game ever. I haven’t played anything else. I come from FPS.

So what I’m saying is…I use my pinky all the time : )

Is this inefficient?
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
July 14 2011 19:59 GMT
#50
I think generally people will have their fingers in diggerent places.
But, I do use my thumb for B and V.
It was hard in the beginning but it really helped my game speed, and I dont have to replace my hand that often anymore.
Always look on the bright side of life
-FoX
Profile Joined November 2010
United States479 Posts
July 14 2011 20:29 GMT
#51
I like this idea but it seems pretty hard to assign units to control group one in this case. Hitting ctrl with your pinky and 1 with your ring finger seems like it would be a pretty big stretch for a lot of people. This is really neat though!
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