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The idra (generic zerg) mentality:
ZvP is imbalanced deathball is so effective
ZvT is imbalanced terran units are too cost effective
ZvZ is a coinflip i lose to worse players sometimes
get over it, all races have their setbacks and mental challenges. A protoss player may feel that roaches are too cost effective, a terran may feel chargelots are too good and that infestors are OP.. ALL races have things they think are OP.
Idra just gets offended IN game when he loses battles etc and that is why he leaves early so often.. but other races feel the exact same in other matchups. It's 90% about the mentality and 10% about the actual game.
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On June 06 2011 13:53 Zyzxx wrote:
The idra (generic zerg) mentality:
ZvP is imbalanced deathball is so effective
ZvT is imbalanced terran units are too cost effective
ZvZ is a coinflip i lose to worse players sometimes
get over it, all races have their setbacks and mental challenges. A protoss player may feel that roaches are too cost effective, a terran may feel chargelots are too good and that infestors are OP.. ALL races have things they think are OP.
Idra just gets offended IN game when he loses battles etc and that is why he leaves early so often.. but other races feel the exact same in other matchups. It's 90% about the mentality and 10% about the actual game.
90% the game 10% the mentality*
it's why only the best koreans have high win rates against him ;p
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On June 06 2011 13:52 rickybobby wrote:
It was very strange but i find it hard to believe that idra would be this 'dispassionate' to throw games away. In gsl it seems like a lot of players will stay in a game thats over because they want so bad to win and idra is the opposite, even if hes behind why wouldnt he try to battle back? And artosis will say its because he doesnt want to deal with the mental stress and anger of that but still.. these ggs were just rediculous
I think idra explained it on inside the game last week.
HE 'respects' the opposing player to play optimally from that point on so he doesnt hope for mistakes and admits gg. (So if you're behind in early/mid game, you would stay behind... in a perfect scenario)
I wish he played through his games though 
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Idra thought he lost this game, so he gg'ed out... im not that worried about it.
But the MC games he just threw away in their second face off, i was extremely dissapointed.
Oh well, ill be an idra fanboy forever, gl to ya man next time!
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On June 06 2011 13:53 Zyzxx wrote:
The idra (generic zerg) mentality:
ZvP is imbalanced deathball is so effective
ZvT is imbalanced terran units are too cost effective
ZvZ is a coinflip i lose to worse players sometimes
get over it, all races have their setbacks and mental challenges. A protoss player may feel that roaches are too cost effective, a terran may feel chargelots are too good and that infestors are OP.. ALL races have things they think are OP.
Idra just gets offended IN game when he loses battles etc and that is why he leaves early so often.. but other races feel the exact same in other matchups. It's 90% about the mentality and 10% about the actual game.
He's said he thinks ZvT is balanced.
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By "Cool image" they probly mean his poor mindset / rage.
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Really guys? You really argue that it was lack of mental strength that led IdrA to those loses? I would strongly suggest it was that exact mental strength that shined. It is remarkable to see a player who is able to foresee 5-6 moves ahead and -know- whether (under perfect play from both sides) he will win or lose.
As said earlier, if MMA had the OC at the gold base up and running, he'd have another round of reinforcements which would defeat IdrA. In a scenario that MMA plays perfect and IdrA plays perfect as well, after that last battle, IdrA loses. Why wait it out when you know the outcome?
As far as the MC games are concerned, again IdrA would lose 3 out of 4 of them eventually (again given no mistakes from MC). However, IdrA could have easily won game 4 if he had teched a bit better, rather than remaining stuck with hydra/roach/corruptor forever. That you can fault him on.
Now, one can say that IdrA was tired and didn't make proper decisions as far as his STRATEGY was concerned, and indeed I believe that this was the case. Still, I feel IdrA is not being appreciated for his greatest strength, that is, his ability to read the game flow.
It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized.
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MMA is spot on with his interview after beating Idra (lol), Idra needs to be positive. I'm sure in his head hes always thinking all the bad things that can happen to him if he loses this or that or what if he did this and it doesn't work blahblah...
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It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized.
Ya, leaving games early is a feat of extremely high intelligence...
I realize IdrA is smart, but you're really pushing the definition of ultra-fanboy right now =/
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As a spectator, it's sad to see any player leave the second they get a slight disadvantage. Imagine if every player left the second they felt slightly behind. The most "epic" games are always the ones where a player overcomes a huge deficit and steals a win.
For example, think of Nestea vs sC game 5 of the previous GSL. If Idra was in Nestea's place he probably would've left after losing his 3rd and we'd have just another generic "terran does a tank push and wins" style of game to watch.
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On June 06 2011 13:59 Zhyq wrote:
Really guys? You really argue that it was lack of mental strength that led IdrA to those loses? I would strongly suggest it was that exact mental strength that shined. It is remarkable to see a player who is able to foresee 5-6 moves ahead and -know- whether (under perfect play from both sides) he will win or lose.
As said earlier, if MMA had the OC at the gold base up and running, he'd have another round of reinforcements which would defeat IdrA. In a scenario that MMA plays perfect and IdrA plays perfect as well, after that last battle, IdrA loses. Why wait it out when you know the outcome?
As far as the MC games are concerned, again IdrA would lose 3 out of 4 of them eventually (again given no mistakes from MC). However, IdrA could have easily won game 4 if he had teched a bit better, rather than remaining stuck with hydra/roach/corruptor forever. That you can fault him on.
Now, one can say that IdrA was tired and didn't make proper decisions as far as his STRATEGY was concerned, and indeed I believe that this was the case. Still, I feel IdrA is not being appreciated for his greatest strength, that is, his ability to read the game flow.
It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized.
Not sure what the point of this entire post was. We should applaud the fact that Idra has lost multiple games he should have won because he leaves too early? Somehow just staying in games 10 seconds longer would be a fault?
Why wait it out when you know the outcome? There is none i guess... but Idra DOESNT know the outcome, as we have obviously seen multiple times.
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Idra had 18 mutas when he GG'd against MMA.
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On June 06 2011 14:01 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized. Ya, leaving games early is a feat of extremely high intelligence... I realize IdrA is smart, but you're really pushing the definition of ultra-fanboy right now =/
I actually dislike IdrA on the whole, but I do admire his ability to know whether he has an advantage or not. So not a fanboy, I'd say.
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On June 06 2011 13:59 Zhyq wrote:
Really guys? You really argue that it was lack of mental strength that led IdrA to those loses? I would strongly suggest it was that exact mental strength that shined. It is remarkable to see a player who is able to foresee 5-6 moves ahead and -know- whether (under perfect play from both sides) he will win or lose.
As said earlier, if MMA had the OC at the gold base up and running, he'd have another round of reinforcements which would defeat IdrA. In a scenario that MMA plays perfect and IdrA plays perfect as well, after that last battle, IdrA loses. Why wait it out when you know the outcome?
As far as the MC games are concerned, again IdrA would lose 3 out of 4 of them eventually (again given no mistakes from MC). However, IdrA could have easily won game 4 if he had teched a bit better, rather than remaining stuck with hydra/roach/corruptor forever. That you can fault him on.
Now, one can say that IdrA was tired and didn't make proper decisions as far as his STRATEGY was concerned, and indeed I believe that this was the case. Still, I feel IdrA is not being appreciated for his greatest strength, that is, his ability to read the game flow.
It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized.
IdrA's really smart, but he's also fucking arrogant if he thinks he can predict the future.
Imagine IdrA is a goalie in hockey. A player on the opposing team manages to get a breakway, and is racing towards him undefended. At this point, Idra just skates off the ice, leaving the net open because he just assumes that the opposing player has the optimal conditions to score, is reasonably talented, and will score anyway. GG!
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It wouldn't be MLG without an extreme Idra rage quit
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On June 06 2011 14:04 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:59 Zhyq wrote:
Really guys? You really argue that it was lack of mental strength that led IdrA to those loses? I would strongly suggest it was that exact mental strength that shined. It is remarkable to see a player who is able to foresee 5-6 moves ahead and -know- whether (under perfect play from both sides) he will win or lose.
As said earlier, if MMA had the OC at the gold base up and running, he'd have another round of reinforcements which would defeat IdrA. In a scenario that MMA plays perfect and IdrA plays perfect as well, after that last battle, IdrA loses. Why wait it out when you know the outcome?
As far as the MC games are concerned, again IdrA would lose 3 out of 4 of them eventually (again given no mistakes from MC). However, IdrA could have easily won game 4 if he had teched a bit better, rather than remaining stuck with hydra/roach/corruptor forever. That you can fault him on.
Now, one can say that IdrA was tired and didn't make proper decisions as far as his STRATEGY was concerned, and indeed I believe that this was the case. Still, I feel IdrA is not being appreciated for his greatest strength, that is, his ability to read the game flow.
It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized. IdrA's really smart, but he's also fucking arrogant if he thinks he can predict the future. Imagine IdrA is a goalie in hockey. A player on the opposing team manages to get a breakway, and is racing towards him undefended. At this point, Idra just skates off the ice, leaving the net open because he just assumes that the opposing player has the optimal conditions to score, is reasonably talented, and will score anyway. GG!
IdrA assumes players like MMA don't kill their own orbital or MC let a nydus pop in his main next to a probe.
This is not arrogance. He just has this false idea that SC2 koreans are as good as their BW counterparts when in truth is that the koreans make a shit ton of mistakes in SC2 that he could abuse.
It's more humble than arrogant to assume your opponent doesn't do stupid shit.
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On June 06 2011 14:04 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:59 Zhyq wrote:
Really guys? You really argue that it was lack of mental strength that led IdrA to those loses? I would strongly suggest it was that exact mental strength that shined. It is remarkable to see a player who is able to foresee 5-6 moves ahead and -know- whether (under perfect play from both sides) he will win or lose.
As said earlier, if MMA had the OC at the gold base up and running, he'd have another round of reinforcements which would defeat IdrA. In a scenario that MMA plays perfect and IdrA plays perfect as well, after that last battle, IdrA loses. Why wait it out when you know the outcome?
As far as the MC games are concerned, again IdrA would lose 3 out of 4 of them eventually (again given no mistakes from MC). However, IdrA could have easily won game 4 if he had teched a bit better, rather than remaining stuck with hydra/roach/corruptor forever. That you can fault him on.
Now, one can say that IdrA was tired and didn't make proper decisions as far as his STRATEGY was concerned, and indeed I believe that this was the case. Still, I feel IdrA is not being appreciated for his greatest strength, that is, his ability to read the game flow.
It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized. IdrA's really smart, but he's also fucking arrogant if he thinks he can predict the future. Imagine IdrA is a goalie in hockey. A player on the opposing team manages to get a breakway, and is racing towards him undefended. At this point, Idra just skates off the ice, leaving the net open because he just assumes that the opposing player has the optimal conditions to score, is reasonably talented, and will score anyway. GG!
I think a better analogy would be, a player is racing towards the goal and he isn't near it, and he doesn't try to get back to the goal on time because he feels it's obvious that he can't and the player is going to score and he can't do anything about it.
On topic though, I have no idea what the koreans are talking about when they say the "cool image" more explanation on that?
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On June 06 2011 14:03 DannyJ wrote:
Why wait it out when you know the outcome? There is none i guess... but Idra DOESNT know the outcome, as we have obviously seen multiple times.
True enough. But, wouldn't you agree that trying to figure out the outcome based on the information available is pushing for perfection? Among many other things that need to be perfected, of course. I'd argue that in the games you're referring to it was his information gathering that was lacking, not his ability to predict.
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On June 06 2011 13:59 Zhyq wrote:
Really guys? You really argue that it was lack of mental strength that led IdrA to those loses? I would strongly suggest it was that exact mental strength that shined. It is remarkable to see a player who is able to foresee 5-6 moves ahead and -know- whether (under perfect play from both sides) he will win or lose.
As said earlier, if MMA had the OC at the gold base up and running, he'd have another round of reinforcements which would defeat IdrA. In a scenario that MMA plays perfect and IdrA plays perfect as well, after that last battle, IdrA loses. Why wait it out when you know the outcome?
As far as the MC games are concerned, again IdrA would lose 3 out of 4 of them eventually (again given no mistakes from MC). However, IdrA could have easily won game 4 if he had teched a bit better, rather than remaining stuck with hydra/roach/corruptor forever. That you can fault him on.
Now, one can say that IdrA was tired and didn't make proper decisions as far as his STRATEGY was concerned, and indeed I believe that this was the case. Still, I feel IdrA is not being appreciated for his greatest strength, that is, his ability to read the game flow.
It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized.
You seem a bit blinded by your fanboyism. Leaving during a winning battle where you're about to take out all siege tanks and still maintain a high muta count is never an appropriate situation. Take into consideration that he also had a fully saturated gold, a relatively high supply, and plenty of larvae to replenish his army. Even assuming "perfect play" would drag the game out very far -- this was not him foreseeing X moves ahead, it was him being self-defeating and rage quitting.
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i honestly expected idra to bm MMA by saying GG for him at first..... and accidentally left game as a result... but i guess i was wrong.
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