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dopesauce
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
52 Posts
May 31 2011 16:06 GMT
#661
On June 01 2011 01:02 whisp91 wrote:
We need a bigger picture of kerrigans backside (than the one on the frontpage), or im not buying!

Dat ass. :D

I thought Blizzard stated they were going to make it so you bought the expansion just for the campaigns and the multiplayer (ladder) side of things was going to be updated (free?) so people stay on the same page? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Vagabond
Profile Joined April 2011
Scotland149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 16:07:58
May 31 2011 16:07 GMT
#662
On June 01 2011 00:43 Volka wrote:
WHAT?
I thought the multiplayer part wasn't going to change! More units? More stuff? Why why? We haven't even be able to get used to WoL and they already want to change it! That's really bad for sc2 e-sports!!


I don't think the change from WoL to HotS will be as bad as say BW to SC2. apart from working out some new strats if a certain unit, abilty changes or new unit is added. by the sounds of it they are at least a year and a half away from finishing it more or less with execelent testing.

I am sure tournaments will think maybe its a good idea during the transistion to all hold off for say a month or two after release for the pros to Normalize a few new strats after game release. But i hope for a few good beta tourneys. and me getting a beta key for it, so i can bronze it up but focusing on crushing bugs and glitches .

Its sounding good and hopefully with finish stronger, hopefully for stronger lings to help defend at the begining of a match.
Drone untill i die.
voltaic
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1071 Posts
May 31 2011 16:08 GMT
#663
This campaign is gonna be awesome!!!
but i have a few points that i don't like/hate:
- only 20 missions? i though blizzard made the trilogy mainly because of hots?
- Is it possible, i would hate it so much, if this kerrigan we play i just a clone of the real kerrigan?
+ Show Spoiler +
in the leaked ending there were 2 kerrigans, on infested and one not, so could it be that you play the whole campaign the clone-kerrigan and she gets infested again and then, when you crush mengsk, the real kerrigan has been captured and kept in a stasis. that explains the kerrigan in the teaser.


one thing i would love <3
- in the artwork with the ultralisk you see taht the right arm of kerrigan is infested, could it be that she gets infested again? it's being said, that her dna changes after some battles, the strange thing said it, the one that makes the upgrades :3
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
May 31 2011 16:09 GMT
#664
Oh god I can't wait :D
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
May 31 2011 16:11 GMT
#665
On June 01 2011 01:01 Volka wrote:
I don't mind about the separte ladders.
I'm concerned that they decided to change the multiplayer (the rules!) and worse, that we have to buy the expansions to keep playing the game that's going to be used on tournaments.

My opinion: KEEP the multiplayer the same, mess around with the campaign all you want.

You will get exactly what you want. You can keep playing WoL multiplayer with the ones who are in an agreement with you while the rest of us plays HotS
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
May 31 2011 16:12 GMT
#666
Surprising to see that they designed to immortal to be a meatshield (that's why they have a short attack range).
Good article btw, I like the fact that HotS will be an add-on, so cheaper than buying a whole game.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Conquerer67
Profile Joined May 2011
United States605 Posts
May 31 2011 16:13 GMT
#667
Great article. Turns out that many of my thoughts on how stuff would go turned out to be true
I hate when people compare SC2 and rochambeu. One race isn't fucking supposed to counter another one. | Protoss isn't OP. Their units on the other hand....
Sv1
Profile Joined June 2010
United States204 Posts
May 31 2011 16:13 GMT
#668
That single player preview makes WoL look like a pretty cheap game and uninspired game, almost as if they wanted to get something out the door to get the ball rolling on the franchise *cough cough*.

Looking forward to a chance at beta closed or open would be nice regardless.
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
May 31 2011 16:14 GMT
#669
"We're going to add some new multiplayer units, and take out some multiplayer units"

I was totally not expecting that they'd be willing to go all the way and take out units! This will be... interesting.

I really hope they change their criteria for making new units from things that are "cool" to something more specific, like units that can have large opportunity for micro and follow the easy-to-learn-hard-to-master scheme. I hope they add more interesting interactions (like rine baneling) and remove some of the boring ones (immortal anything).

Also, am I the only one that thinks the Overseer comment was weird? I mean, yeah, the Overseer is not the coolest unit in the world, but it's got it's use and it sees plenty of play, and moving detection to ovies would be too strong.
Maybe they plan on making a Zerg version of the Raven... hell if I know.
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1483 Posts
May 31 2011 16:15 GMT
#670
LOL, questions and answers? it was questions and dodge´s more likely. Blizzard: how to answer a question saying nothing.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
Protein
Profile Joined August 2010
United States132 Posts
May 31 2011 16:17 GMT
#671
On June 01 2011 00:31 Diks wrote:
Q: When is Heart of the Swarm coming out?

A: It's too early to talk about a specific release date at this point in time. As with all Blizzard games, our ultimate goal is to provide the best possible experience for our players, and we will take as much time as is needed to ensure that Heart of the Swarm meets the expectations of our players, as well as our own high standards.


That's why Blizzard is such an awesome game producing company.
This phylosophy should apply for the whole gaming industry but profits discourage that attitude i guess.


On June 01 2011 00:31 Diks wrote:
Q: When is Heart of the Swarm coming out?

A: It's too early to talk about a specific release date at this point in time. As with all Blizzard games, our ultimate goal is to provide the best possible experience for our players, and we will take as much time as is needed to ensure that Heart of the Swarm meets the expectations of our players, as well as our own high standards.


That's why Blizzard is such an awesome game producing company.
This phylosophy should apply for the whole gaming industry but profits discourage that attitude i guess.


You're crazy. Blizzard has quite clearly been encouraged by profits this entire time. Half the reason they've refused to back down from their custom game system is because of their plan to implement the market system. They've withheld content such as clan support and plan to introduce it in following games just to be able to excuse the price tag on not one but two expansions.

They keep on saying that the marketplace system will encourage players to make better maps. In that case, why are they keeping the custom game system the way it is? Surely they realize that map makers are incredibly discouraged at the realization that their maps probably won't be played due to the interface. Blizzard's "innovation" has done nothing but kill a lot of great map maker's ambitions and drives.

Meanwhile, their main excuse for expanding the game into 3 parts, which was focused around how they had too much content in the story to fit into one game, turned out to be bullshit (which was to be expected) in WoL. 90% of the missions feel like filler missions that have nothing to do with the main storyline. They don't even serve to add any depth to any of the characters. Frankly, what happened in WoL could've easily been fit into a third of the game (ie. terran campaign in BW)

Somehow, the story team of Starcraft 1 managed to use text and portraits (mission briefing) to add more depth to the Universe of Starcraft than the SC2 team managed to do in 30 missions while allowing you to go talk to any of the characters.

Seriously, if you think Blizzard's answer to do the question about the release date is fueled by a desire to make the players happy, you're crazy. This company has been solely concerned with turning their franchise's into cash cows since the merge.

TL;DR The story blows. Their excuse to turn the game into 3 parts is obviously BS, given how short/shallow the story from WoL was. Their excuse to add a marketplace system is hypocritical given how their custom game interface has successfully prevented great map makers from making said maps. The idea that Blizzard is saying "soon" because they don't care about money is absurd.
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
May 31 2011 16:18 GMT
#672
Kerrigan is a BLOOD ELF from WoW. What on earth has the zerg come to? We want our powerful fem-dom carapaced bitch back!
Aah thats the stuff..
malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
May 31 2011 16:19 GMT
#673
remove overseers - make detection ability for overlords at lair tech right next to drop and speed, similar price - ?????? - profit.

Remove Sentries entirely, pointless unit which causes heaps of problems in pvZ especially.

Remove banshees.. come on, another pointless unit.

Remove the need to upgrade reaper speed from factories. Reapers are a great unit that get rarely any use at all because of constant nerfs.


Protein
Profile Joined August 2010
United States132 Posts
May 31 2011 16:20 GMT
#674
On May 31 2011 23:48 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 23:17 Protein wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:09 eviltomahawk wrote:
Starcraft Legacy's Youtube channel has a MASSIVE video of the full community roundtable Q&A that covers quite a few questions that aren't covered in this article.



zomg, at 40 minutes... The story is fucked. They're going to turn the erg into cute little creatures! NOOOOOOOOOOOO. Someone STOP this madness!


I think they are trying to get the Zerg to be a more sympathetic race to the player while shifting the raw evil status to what ever the Dark Voice is, while still keeping the Zerg as a ruthless, insane group of badasses.


I understood that. Thanks. You know what this reminds me of? The orc to burning legion transformation. So fucking original.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 31 2011 16:21 GMT
#675
On June 01 2011 01:03 NikonTC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 01:01 Volka wrote:
I don't mind about the separte ladders.
I'm concerned that they decided to change the multiplayer (the rules!) and worse, that we have to buy the expansions to keep playing the game that's going to be used on tournaments.

My opinion: KEEP the multiplayer the same, mess around with the campaign all you want.


You: 1
The entire rest of the world: 6,000,000,000

This is a numbers game I don't think you'll be winning :x


Indeed, I'd actually be extremely disappointed if they DIDN'T make some changes to multiplayer. It's already getting so boring for me. -,-

I played some SC2BW last night for fun and it reawakened my hope for what SC2's future COULD BE, but I believe it will still take some tweaking/adding/deleting to get there.
Volka
Profile Joined December 2010
Argentina412 Posts
May 31 2011 16:22 GMT
#676
On June 01 2011 01:11 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 01:01 Volka wrote:
I don't mind about the separte ladders.
I'm concerned that they decided to change the multiplayer (the rules!) and worse, that we have to buy the expansions to keep playing the game that's going to be used on tournaments.

My opinion: KEEP the multiplayer the same, mess around with the campaign all you want.

You will get exactly what you want. You can keep playing WoL multiplayer with the ones who are in an agreement with you while the rest of us plays HotS


Now you're just making fun at me.That's not what I meant! xD
I'll moderate my opinion though:

The should not mess around with the multiplayer aspect too much. Maybe add/remove a unit or two, but that's it! And please don't force me to buy the expansion to play the multiplayer
http://www.starsite.com.ar
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
May 31 2011 16:23 GMT
#677
On June 01 2011 01:22 Volka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 01:11 Paladia wrote:
On June 01 2011 01:01 Volka wrote:
I don't mind about the separte ladders.
I'm concerned that they decided to change the multiplayer (the rules!) and worse, that we have to buy the expansions to keep playing the game that's going to be used on tournaments.

My opinion: KEEP the multiplayer the same, mess around with the campaign all you want.

You will get exactly what you want. You can keep playing WoL multiplayer with the ones who are in an agreement with you while the rest of us plays HotS


Now you're just making fun at me.That's not what I meant! xD
I'll moderate my opinion though:

The should not mess around with the multiplayer aspect too much. Maybe add/remove a unit or two, but that's it! And please don't force me to buy the expansion to play the multiplayer


That's why there's going to be a WoL ladder. You'll be able to keep playing without the HotS unit changes without buying HotS, with other people who wish to play WoL.
Zufiras
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway158 Posts
May 31 2011 16:23 GMT
#678
omg the concept art is blowing my mind.
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
May 31 2011 16:23 GMT
#679
I can't believe some people are actually complaining about separate ladders. They have done this with their last 2 RTS games...What is different this time?
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
May 31 2011 16:24 GMT
#680
Overseers with their active abilities are a whole lot cooler than observers at least. As for having units being too similar to one and other, yes they are.

The tier 1.5 units are all basically the same for the three races (marauder, roach and stalker) with an upgradable gimmick added to each one. If they wanted unique units they'd have kept the lurker, which is a completely unique unit that adds a static twist to the zerg arsenal and gameplay.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
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