often when I'm playing a game of starcraft 2 something will come up in real life: the phone or the doorbell will ring, the baby will cry, my mouse battery will suddenly die, etc etc.
Usually it's just a small thing and I need a pause for 10-60s. But some people just turbo-unpause whenever you pause. Obviously this is an autolose for you, not very fun, and really just sort of sad. Sometimes when I say something about it, they call ME bad mannered for pausing.
I did notice, however, that if you chat with people at the start of the game, they're much more likely to allow a pause. Same if you take a few seconds to explain first.
One unfortunate thing is that people have a real tendency to snap-unpause if you pause in the middle of a big battle, especially if it involves any sort of 'cheesiness' like banshees or DT or a zergling rush.
Any other ideas for improving your odds of being allowed a pause?
I've never really thought that un-pausing was bm, even if it is annoying. If something comes up that can't wait until the end of the game, then your opponent shouldn't have to wait for you to finish it. It's nice of people to wait, but I hate waiting for someone and they take 5 min or something.
This is so simple yet so effective, i dont mind a slight pause if its a good game, but you should really ask about it first, there are so many people that will pause and then not write anything. Should we just proceed with waiting without knowing what has happend? I believe its BM to pause and not say anything
You could try to be friendly at start of the game, say glhf ect. You should also ask if you can pause/explain why you need to. If someone just randomly pauses I'll usually give them 15-60 seconds depending on how good a mood I'm in and if they have been mannered so far. If they say something id give them a good few minutes.
Remember, they are under no obligation to let you pause. It's as much their game as it is yours, they don't have to waste their time waiting, especially if it's for an indefinite amount of time without a request.
Anyone who snap unpauses is a total douchebag no ifs ands or buts. Total dick move. There is nothing wrong with pausing and briefly explaining why, you don't need to explain or ask before you do it that's just retarded. On the flip side when people pause without explaining it can be very irritating, especially if you're clearly about to win or just caught your opponent out in a cheese. I normally ask politely when someone pauses why they paused, and if I get no response in 30 seconds or so I will unpause, but if they tell me really quickly or simply say brb 1 min, just so I know they didn't accidentally pause/quit then I am happy to wait.
EDIT: TBH Blizzard really should do something about it. If you need to fix your hotkeys or a key got stuck on your keyboard you should be able to pause and quickly fix it without any problem. Since you have 3 pauses, if Blizzard could make it so that once a player paused the game, no other player could unpause for 10-15 seconds that would help a lot.
On May 25 2011 15:23 Highwinds wrote: If they pause it without saying anything I ask whats up? And if they Don't say anything within about 10 seconds I just unpause.
If they explain themselves I will wait up to 5 mins for them to get back, because I don't have all day to wait.
Yeah this is exactly what I do. I've only had to unpause once, and I sent the guy at least three "If you're not back in two minutes I'm unpausing" messages before I did so.
If someone just paused without saying anything I'd unpause after 20 - 30 seconds.
I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
I'm fine personally with people pausing as long as they ask first otherwise I view it as bm and immediately always unpause and get back to playing. Unless your all high level or masters league even I feel pausing unless changing settings is a little rude since just leaving the game wont kill your record or something, otherwise get your stuff together before you play...that might just be me though lol.
i dont like to pause unless i absolutely have to (police are at my door, im on fire, etc). But as far as phones, friends, or family, i ignore it until after the game. Worst case scenario, I run realy quick but dont pause.
When I get paused on, ill wait a min or two, then unpause. I mean, idk whats goin on his end, so if his dog just died id feel bad just unpausing on him, yknow?
Only time I have refused to let the guy pause is he BM'd me a lot at the start about how toss is the easy race, he then said pp phone and I just refused. He then left and called me sad.
I am not going to be nice to someone who is a total arse to me to begin with.
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
If you say "brb" or whatever first I don't really care. But I really hate random pauses with no communication and sometimes I will unpause if I'm not in a good mood.
If you pause without saying anything I will "??" and wait about 10-20 seconds for a reply... if I don't get one I am unpausing. If you can't be bothered telling me you need a few seconds/minutes I can't be bothered waiting. Common courtesy suggests if you really need to dash for a few seconds you can afford a second or two to type "brb phone/bio/door/fire/police" etc.
I turbo unpause because when you join the game with me you are now accounting for my time as well as yours. Its not that i want a ladder win; i could care less about that. its just that i dont really know how long you will be gone and if its anything important then sc shouldnt matter and if your mouse battery died youve ignored the warnings. basically, if its anything you cant ignore enough to finish the game for, it takes precedence over your ladder loss anyways
Sometimes it's reasonable to need a pause. If the guy just pauses it without saying anything, I'll tell him I'm giving him 30 seconds and then I unpause it. If he tells me he needs to pause, I tell him I'm going to give him 3 minutes and then I'm going to unpause it. Anything more than 3 minutes, and you're not being reasonable and you should just leave. I've only had someone who had an issue with me pausing it once. I always say, "Mind if I pause a second?" and if they ask I explain.
Maybe you should stick to customs when you're at a time when it's really likely you'll end up pausing and ladder when you're free for sure.
Usually it's just a small thing and I need a pause for 10-60s. But some people just turbo-unpause whenever you pause. Obviously this is an autolose for you, not very fun, and really just sort of sad. Sometimes when I say something about it, they call ME bad mannered for pausing.
Then leave from game and start a new one, when you solve all problems.
Why players must lose their fun from game, because other had some problems?
But I have one rule. Player must explain reason, why he paused. After 10 seconds if there are no reason in chat, I unpause.
As far as i know, it's common curtesy to write something before pausing. I've seen several instances of things like "pp" (pause please), "1sec", "brb", "phone", "door", "bio", etc. Those take a second or less to type and show that you don't just pause for the heck of it or to disturb your opponents play.
If you have the option after the "pp" and pressing pause, just say how long it'll take (10sec,1min,3min,...).
I bet you will have far less people unpausing immedatly.
Everytime I've had to pause because of the phone or whatnot I quickly write "Hang on a sec, Phone" and everyone so far has been understanding and left it paused. I then make sure they are ready before unpausing. No bad experience to speak of there.
If my opponent pauses the game I'd like him to write something quick about why. I usually only wait a minute or two then unpause it if he doesn't say anything.
As discussed by others, the answer to this seems pretty simple. Don't be a jerk and unpause if someone gives a good reason and is back in a reasonable amount of time (Less than 3 minutes imo). Things come up and it is bad manner to unpause in these situations. At the same time, don't start a game if there is a good chance something will come up. Someone shouldn't have to wait a significant period of time because you were expecting an important call or didn't replace your mouse batteries even though the warning light was on. Also, let them know why you paused or ask them if it is okay to pause first. The best manner is probably to ask but I feel like in an average ladder game pausing yourself is fine.
As far as pausing during a big fight or at some other critical time, this is somewhat more debatable. Obviously, the same real life stuff that can happen during any part of the game so clarifying what is going on should always be a priority.
Bottom line, pausing should only be used to resolve important issues so that it may be respected as such.
Like what was stated before it's not BM to unpause, they are doing you a favour by spending their time waiting for you. If you explain why you need to go quick (sec phone) I'll wait until you are done. Even if you go "sec" I'll wait a minute and then ask whats up no reply then I restart in a another minute if I'm not busy. Don't blame people for not wanting to sit around and wait for you because you can't get your shit together. Obviously stuff may come up (phone, door, spilled something etc) But if something is really so urgent that you can't explain what's wrong the person is probably more worried about that than a single loss in a video game.
for me I need you to tell me why the hell you are pausing, then you can pause for awhile, if I get bored, i'm going to unpause, [if you need to switch your hotkeys or settings I can understand that, no reason = BM imo] if you just pause and I dont' know the reason, I'll wait 5-10 seconds, and if still nothing I'm unpausing
Give a simple one line explanation and wait a moment after you pause. If they just immediately unpause and keep playing then let them have their free win and leave. An individual game doesn't matter and if they care about winning so much they don't want to play fairly then thats a bit sad.
I have neither paused in game, nor have I unpaused. Though I dont recall anyone ever pausing without saying 'brb' or something similiar. I suppose if someone said nothing I would give a minute or two befor asking them if they were there and then proceed to unpause. I would feel bad though
On May 25 2011 16:07 Torte de Lini wrote: Unfortunately, I don't have time for you to pause. I have other things to do. Bad luck is bad luck, can't help you there.
That rings pretty fucking hallow considering you're playing SC2. It's not like someone is coming into your house and forcing you to idle while you're doing your taxes. If you have time to play SC2 waiting a minute or two is completely negligible during a ladder session.
On May 25 2011 15:24 cLutZ wrote: Don't pause. Pausing at all is BM IMO.
I don't like this attitude. If you are polite and something comes up, pausing is totally acceptable. I do think you should do your best to minimize reasons to pause before ladder games, but sometimes stuff is out of your control. Pausing happens in big tournaments all the time.
Wow, some people are really rude, unpausing immediately is not on, and any sort of rationalising about it is just a cover for trying to pick up easy ladder wins. It's a game, what's a few seconds waiting going to matter in the long run?
The only time I've had a bad experience with a pause was some guy who was BMing through the game in German, then paused, I asked him what was wrong, he snap unpaused and launched his attack. Pretty obnoxious, but that was the only time I've experienced this.
On May 25 2011 16:11 probob wrote: I always wait when someone pauses and expect so from my opponents. I always though ppl who unpause are around the age of 12.
Hahahahaha, me too. I never really understood why someone took their own ladder time SO seriously that they can't just chill for 10-20 secs while you take care of something.
"BUT OMFG, MY TIME TOO, SO DAMN VALUABLE, DON'T LADDER THEN." Be realistic and grow up. Some of us have lots of things going on. If my dog implies that he needs to piss, you better believe that I'd rather you chill for the 20 secs it takes me to let him out than have to clean that up. If I just spilled my beer, I'm not playing with that all over the front of me.
If your time is as valuable as you claim go play some game where you don't have to worry about other people wasting it at all. Like Solitaire.
On May 25 2011 16:11 probob wrote: I always wait when someone pauses and expect so from my opponents. I always though ppl who unpause are around the age of 12.
Hahahahaha, me too. I never really understood why someone took their own ladder time SO seriously that they can't just chill for 10-20 secs while you take care of something.
"BUT OMFG, MY TIME TOO, SO DAMN VALUABLE, DON'T LADDER THEN." Be realistic and grow up. Some of us have lots of things going on. If my dog implies that he needs to piss, you better believe that I'd rather you chill for the 20 secs it takes me to let him out than have to clean that up. If I just spilled my beer, I'm not playing with that all over the front of me.
If your time is as valuable as you claim go play some game where you don't have to worry about other people wasting it at all. Like Solitaire.
Don't tell people to grow up. I'm 23 y/o and still I don't like it if someone just pauses without asking first. If someone pauses without saying anything in the first place, I'm just unpausing. I had some moments when someone paused and at the same moment I unpaused he said "sry, brb, someone's at the door", so I immediately paused again.
But still, I am usually a really mannered player, so i expect the people to ask first, and then pause. That's no problem for me, I can wait for 1-20 minutes then, if needed. I mean, you're not playing a board game with someone, and then just walk away without saying anything. Or if you play FIFA with someone, you don't pause and go to the toilet without saying anything, right? Grown ups don't do that.
Pause + Reason given = Wait at least 10 mins eg. Soz phone, soz door, soz baby cry, soz emergency etc
When people randomly pause without saying anything, i automatically assume its a BM pause, either trying to annoy you or try to make you hit the 'leave game' button by accident or both. Doesn't take more than 10s to give a reason for pausing. A disabled person with one arm and a finger could type something in 10s. Those with muscular or nerve conduction abnormalities will take 20s at most, typing "s-o-z", otherwise they'd have less than 9 constant APM, with which, i'm very sorry to say, won't get you very far in the game anyway.
Doesn't really matter what sort of emergency someone has, people should not expect opponents to allow a pause if they don't give a reason for it. The phone can wait 10s(if its REALLY important, you'll get a call back anyway, barring hollywood kidnapping scenarios), the door can wait 10s, a crying baby can wait 10s, your distended bladder/rectum can wait 10s unless you have some form of urinary/fecal incontinence or are below 10 years of age(shouldnt be playing this damn game anyway, its rated teen), your dog which implies it needs to piss outside can wait 10s.
Real emergencies like your old grandad keeling over clutching his chest, baby having a seizure, house on fire etc should warrant enough urgency for you to leave your computer immediately anyway. Sif care about pausing and/or losing when those things happen; I'd say you have more important things to worry about.
1secplz is just ambiguous to me, thus the 2 minute wait.
i waited five mins for one guy who said he had to answer the door and when he came back he lagged out anyway. it was a stupid waste of time. i learned it is best to just unpause immediately if there is a very strong chance you would've won anyway.
On May 25 2011 16:11 probob wrote: I always wait when someone pauses and expect so from my opponents. I always though ppl who unpause are around the age of 12.
Hahahahaha, me too. I never really understood why someone took their own ladder time SO seriously that they can't just chill for 10-20 secs while you take care of something.
"BUT OMFG, MY TIME TOO, SO DAMN VALUABLE, DON'T LADDER THEN." Be realistic and grow up. Some of us have lots of things going on. If my dog implies that he needs to piss, you better believe that I'd rather you chill for the 20 secs it takes me to let him out than have to clean that up. If I just spilled my beer, I'm not playing with that all over the front of me.
If your time is as valuable as you claim go play some game where you don't have to worry about other people wasting it at all. Like Solitaire.
I guess you've never dealt with troll pausers then? There are many times on ladder, where I'll be winning a game, and the opponent will pause without explanation, just to try to annoy me. I don't see anything that could be so urgent, you couldn't take the time to write "brb 1 min" or something like that, to let me know that you are in fact leaving your computer and are coming back, not just being juvenile.
I am usually very nice and polite in game, often chat a bit after game as well so pausing isn't an issue as long as we had a bit of chat and he told me to wait a sec, personally as long as he asks if I am ready to unpause, I am fine with it. I will just read a bit during the wait, no big deal
If someone just pauses and doesn't say even sec please I will unpause it since I will want a reason for wasting my time. If someone says that "sec phone, sec baby yelling, sec doorbell", I will give him as much time as he needs but not an hour still.
On May 25 2011 16:11 probob wrote: I always wait when someone pauses and expect so from my opponents. I always though ppl who unpause are around the age of 12.
Hahahahaha, me too. I never really understood why someone took their own ladder time SO seriously that they can't just chill for 10-20 secs while you take care of something.
"BUT OMFG, MY TIME TOO, SO DAMN VALUABLE, DON'T LADDER THEN." Be realistic and grow up. Some of us have lots of things going on. If my dog implies that he needs to piss, you better believe that I'd rather you chill for the 20 secs it takes me to let him out than have to clean that up. If I just spilled my beer, I'm not playing with that all over the front of me.
If your time is as valuable as you claim go play some game where you don't have to worry about other people wasting it at all. Like Solitaire.
I guess you've never dealt with troll pausers then? There are many times on ladder, where I'll be winning a game, and the opponent will pause without explanation, just to try to annoy me. I don't see anything that could be so urgent, you couldn't take the time to write "brb 1 min" or something like that, to let me know that you are in fact leaving your computer and are coming back, not just being juvenile.
Well, you can still wait 20 seconds. If he doesn't write anything in that time, whatever, unpause if you want. If you unpause before giving him reasonable time to write something then it's just rude, no matter how many troll pausers you've seen.
I think whether or not you have the luxury of ignoring the world around you while gaming strongly depends on your living circumstance. Obviously people with small children and family can end up in circumstances where they have to take a sudden break from time to time.
I think it is important to just write sth. really quick before or right after pausing so that the opponent knows what is going on. I never had anyone pause on me without explaining and I always waited but it also never took really long. So I don't know what happens if someone really tests my patience.
If someone just pauses without saying anything I will unpause. That's basically the most BM thing ever, letting me waste my time in front of a frozen screen when I don't even know wtf is going on.
And I will always unpause in team games no matter what. It is just absurd to let 7 people wait.
Then again I never pause myself either. If something comes up I'll just AFK or leave the game. I really don't like the idea of making other people wait for me.
On May 25 2011 16:11 probob wrote: I always wait when someone pauses and expect so from my opponents. I always though ppl who unpause are around the age of 12.
Hahahahaha, me too. I never really understood why someone took their own ladder time SO seriously that they can't just chill for 10-20 secs while you take care of something.
"BUT OMFG, MY TIME TOO, SO DAMN VALUABLE, DON'T LADDER THEN." Be realistic and grow up. Some of us have lots of things going on. If my dog implies that he needs to piss, you better believe that I'd rather you chill for the 20 secs it takes me to let him out than have to clean that up. If I just spilled my beer, I'm not playing with that all over the front of me.
If your time is as valuable as you claim go play some game where you don't have to worry about other people wasting it at all. Like Solitaire.
I guess you've never dealt with troll pausers then? There are many times on ladder, where I'll be winning a game, and the opponent will pause without explanation, just to try to annoy me. I don't see anything that could be so urgent, you couldn't take the time to write "brb 1 min" or something like that, to let me know that you are in fact leaving your computer and are coming back, not just being juvenile.
Well, you can still wait 20 seconds. If he doesn't write anything in that time, whatever, unpause if you want. If you unpause before giving him reasonable time to write something then it's just rude, no matter how many troll pausers you've seen.
Well of course I will wait a few seconds for an explanation, I never said I didn't. But saying that it's perfectly fine to pause the game, and leave for extended periods of time with no explanation, I don't agree with. It's usually better to say something before you pause anyways, to avoid ambiguity.
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
I'm exactly like this guy. From SC1 + SC2 I've prolly played over 15,000 games and I've probably paused less than 5 times in my entire life, only like lol 1 time it was cuz a spider was crawling next to my head on the wall lmfao... I only pause for crazy shit like that.
I think it's rude to pause for a phone call, or to text or some bullshit like that. You can call them back. When I'm in a game and focused definitely not taking a phone call, they can wait If I'm expecting an important call then I don't play competitively.
I unpause immediately, people have to learn it's just ladder, win or lose and find a new game, if something, comes up. quit I find pausing to be really bm
On May 25 2011 16:11 probob wrote: I always wait when someone pauses and expect so from my opponents. I always though ppl who unpause are around the age of 12.
Hahahahaha, me too. I never really understood why someone took their own ladder time SO seriously that they can't just chill for 10-20 secs while you take care of something.
"BUT OMFG, MY TIME TOO, SO DAMN VALUABLE, DON'T LADDER THEN." Be realistic and grow up. Some of us have lots of things going on. If my dog implies that he needs to piss, you better believe that I'd rather you chill for the 20 secs it takes me to let him out than have to clean that up. If I just spilled my beer, I'm not playing with that all over the front of me.
If your time is as valuable as you claim go play some game where you don't have to worry about other people wasting it at all. Like Solitaire.
If you care about those other things more, then you won't mind taking a loss to ensure they are dealt with appropreately
I think that allowing maybe 10 seconds for the other player to write a reason is reasonable, after that, unpausing is fine Though I haven't faced a pause in ages
On May 25 2011 15:16 Keilah wrote: often when I'm playing a game of starcraft 2 something will come up in real life: the phone or the doorbell will ring, the baby will cry, my mouse battery will suddenly die, etc etc.
Usually it's just a small thing and I need a pause for 10-60s. But some people just turbo-unpause whenever you pause. Obviously this is an autolose for you, not very fun, and really just sort of sad. Sometimes when I say something about it, they call ME bad mannered for pausing.
I did notice, however, that if you chat with people at the start of the game, they're much more likely to allow a pause. Same if you take a few seconds to explain first.
One unfortunate thing is that people have a real tendency to snap-unpause if you pause in the middle of a big battle, especially if it involves any sort of 'cheesiness' like banshees or DT or a zergling rush.
Any other ideas for improving your odds of being allowed a pause?
Anything interesting to say on the subject?
Any defense on the part of the unpausers?
If they're not willing to take the break then just take the loss. Who cares really? Even if you're a pro your ladder rank is rarely used for anything, so just deal with it.
On May 25 2011 17:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I unpause immediately, people have to learn it's just ladder, win or lose and find a new game, if something, comes up. quit I find pausing to be really bm
People like this is why I just bail if I have to do anything else but starcraft.
On May 25 2011 17:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I unpause immediately, people have to learn it's just ladder, win or lose and find a new game, if something, comes up. quit I find pausing to be really bm
People like this is why I just bail if I have to do anything else but starcraft.
Your in the middle of the best game you've ever played, right in the rhythm etc. and out of the blue the guy pauses? Keep going, get to the next game and hope you keep the magic
I usually pause, then explain. If they unpause immidiately, I explain before pausing again. This works almost always. Except once. I pause, he unpauses, I explain, pause again, he says ok. When I come back, I see that he unpaused after ten seconds. Fortunately, I was on a complete dominationstreak (sometimes something just clicks for me and I win all the way up to a new league in days) so I crushed his attack that killed my third. I proceed to roll him. Got BMed pretty bad for that.
TL:DR: Dont trust people who unpause immidiately, they are not against backstabbing you.
I don't unpause on people, and I haven't been unpaused on. Always explain what I'm doing, even if I have to simplify things (e.g. going over to a friend and yelling at him for doing something stupid=phone call). One time some poor guy got his graphics completely fucked, couldn't see anything but black. Took him 5 or so minutes to realize he couldn't fix them, then he apologized and left. Didn't unpause. It was kind of a pity, it was my best matchup in any case.
I really don't mind if the other person paused, and i never unpause, unless they're being a dick about it (such as pausing when they're about to lose). I can wait since I'm most likely going to be playing when it's my free time, which is alot since University is done.
However, if the matter is more important than a simple game of starcraft, I believe the person should just leave.
I wait because I'm nice but I have absolutly no problem if my opponent auto unpasuses when I pause. If something comes up just stop playing. We each have as much right to do that as the other.
just pause, if your offended by someone needing to take a few in real life, let em, like seriously how impatient are you that you cant wait like one minute, your playing SC you obviously have some spare time on your hands, be a good person, you don't know whats going on in someones life
I dont care if they ask for a pause and explain why, i usually lose my patience when someone randomly pauses for a long period of time with no explanation.
I've only had it happen once, which was in a 2v2, my mouse died on me, even though it was charged, and I had to fiddle around at the back of the PC to reconnect it. I asked to pause, and the guy refused, and said "you should check your hardware before the game". I was really annoyed, and we lost to an early rush. I don't
I always give people the benefit of the doubt, and would be tempted to just float all my buildings and go afk if someone wasn't prepared to pause for 2 mins.
Find people pausing without giving a reason or saying annything quiet rude The first times i encounterd this i unpauses immediatly but now realise thats considerd bm as well You have no idea how long it will take and puts you out the zone of playing Also like others i have played manny games and i NEVER had to pause Cant think of a valid reason to pause beside in a verry long game maybe 1 minute near the end for bathroom If people have to pauze they should just go afk themselves and do what they have to do and accept that they might loose in that time For high profile games where you 100% sure that your opponent dont pause for the most silly private reasons off course you should grant a pause but somewhere in gold league against john do who pauses 5 minutes into the game because he is getting a drink i just dont get Then you should go play a custom game or something but pausing ladder games i just find bm in itself Compare sc with other sports, there are virtually no sports where people can just pause the game at own will lol, and the few sports where people are allowed to take a time out are all regulated and people know how long it will take If aproach sc casual then off course you should grant a pause but imo thats more something for custom games or games between friends ladder is supposed to be competition
having said that: i would never resufe a pause if someone would ask and explain
I always ask first and say thanks after ending the pause. It helps if you explain why you have to pause too. Of course, there will always be people who unpause while you are unavailable.
I don't mind people pausing for a sec, but if its really minutes just leave the game already. The other day I just entered a game, couple minutes later phone went. I just said " grats on easy points, sorry g2g". People shouldn't worry about a lose o some points.
Worst thing is people who randomly pause without saying a word. Than I ask what's up, if Jo answer I resume.
Personally I think that even the very busy people whose time is super important can afford 5s to ask 'why pause'? Sometimes the pause needs to be NOW and if you wait 2-3s you will get an answer. For example the other day my mouse died while I was microing a vr and 2 Phoenix, if I wait even 1s to explain the game is over. And how is it fun for anyone to win or lose for a reason like that?
I'm puzzled by people who say things like 'you ignored the warning it's your fault' about the mouse battery dying. Iduuno about you guys, but my warning is a little tiny light UNDER my hand. Who sees that?
Far as team games go, is it better manners to pause and make several people wait 30s? Or go afk for 30s, thus losing the game for your team and spoiling the 15 minute game for everyone? I don't know about you, but I don't get much satisfaction from beating an afk opponent.
Even the time-wasting argument seems flawed. If you unpause on someone who can't resume play immediately, you've taken a fun, challenging game and turned it into you vs nobody... I mean, single-player is better than that. If you were in a tennis match and the guy's shoe came untied, would you wait 30s for him to tie it? Or would you serve immediately and call him BM for trying to waste your time? Which option would be more fun for you?
I believe, that pausing without saying ANYTHING is very BM and I am not above just unpausing after 5 seconds if they dont say anything
I had a game recently were someone just paused without saying anything. after 10 seconds i unpaused and he paused right back. obviously by now i thought he was just trying to be obnoxious and unpaused right there. If people dont take the time to explain there pause, why should i take the time to ask? I 've had to pause and i always say pp and afterwards briefly explain whats happening ( door/ phone/bathroom) nso that the other person at least has an explanation and some reason to wait. I have never had people unpause on me when I did that.
I am sorry but you are the biggest dick if you unpause after someone asks for a second whatever the reason may be. I give you that if they pause and in like 15 sec dont say anything you have every right to unpause. If someone gives a brb or pp though that is all you need and i will give them a min or two.
This is just me but if I during a game get interrupted by just about anything mildly important I'll just leave right away. That way there's nothing to be frustrated about and it's not like an extra win or loss in the statistics is of any importance. I just play for practice and realize that I'll never get into GM league so there's little point in caring.
Granted, since I'm putting an abrupt end to a match without a word it could be considered BM to some. But since most people rather get a free win than a good game I haven't gotten much smack for it. To be honest, I never say a word while playing, not even gg or gl hf, and I've never been called out on it.
If people BM me at any point in the game I won't ever pause and just continue. When someone pauses without saying something I will first ask him what's up, if he doesn't respond I unpause in like 20-30 secs. If someone just says he needs a quick pause its np at all.
Uh, well this only happens in teamgames as far as i've experienced. In 1v1 they always let me pause, unless I killed like 2 scvs with a probe or something, then they might unpause
People seem really BM about this, why would you unpause? Even if he doesnt give a reason i'll give him 5 mins to sort things out, how is it a big deal? Just alt tab and do something else for a few mins.
Sometimes i have to pause as well where i dont have time to give a reason. Spilled something or keyboard not working etc. If i have time i'll say "sorry brb 30 secs" or something like that, but sometimes i dont have time or i cant write anything before pausing.
I cant see how it's BM to pause as long as you apologize for it. Yea if you just pause/unpause without saying anything it's pretty BM. But there are a lot of reason why you couldnt write anything before pausing. I mean it's just a game, there is no need to be all upright about it.
If someone says "hey wait!" when you're playing football or whatever, do you just go "nope! didnt give a reason!" and just continue on? No, you wait and see what's up.
I honestly cant see how 5mins of your day can be such a big deal, especially not when you can just alt-tab to TL or whatever.
To me if someone gives pp with no further reason i will wait a maximum of 2 minutes. pp + reason given (or just a reason given) and i'll be willing to give them up to 10 minutes. A random pause during a game with no pp, and no reason and i'll unpause it in 30 seconds (of course i attempt to communicate with the player in this period)
On the off chance that i will need to pause I usually pp, pause, then give the reason. I think it's just bm to pause without saying anything, because you aren't even acknowledging the other players existence.
When I need a pause I will pause and then explain my situation, most of the time they are kind enough to wait a while.
As long as it isn't a ridiculously long pause, I will normally wait for my opp - if he has explained the situation. Pausing without saying anything, is pretty stupid (only reason i can see that being acceptable is if your keyboard stopped working)
If they have been incredibly bm i may unpause, though i've never had a situation like that
2. Let me know if you will need an extended period of time (i.e. more than 2 minutes)
No explanation = I wait 30 seconds, then prompt if you're ready. I'll wait another 15 seconds and if I get no reply, I'll unpause.
If you give an explanation, I'll wait 2 minutes. After 2 minutes, I'll prompt to see if you need more time. No reply = unpause. I have better things to do with my time than sit around twiddling my thumbs while you pay the Domino's delivery guy.
I'll wait as long as needed if you give me a detailed explanation of why you're pausing and how long you'll need the pause. The information will allow me to alt-tab and do other things while I wait, like checking email, Twitter, etc. which is only fair.
The above, of course, applies to ladder games. I'll just leave in customs with randoms when they pause, and wait as long as needed with people I know.
I usually set aside time to play starcraft 2 when I know that I won't be having any distractions. If somebody pauses, and gives reason, I have no issues waiting for them, since I can just do stuff on my second monitor while I wait.
I just don't understand the mindset of people who instantly unpause the game. It's just plain rude and there is no excuse for it. Give the other person a chance to explain themselves. As others have mentioned, unpausing and playing while the other person is AFK defeats the purpose of the game and is no challenge. If they do pause without giving a reason, and I get no response back from them when I ask why they paused it, I will unpause the game happily, but I will at least give them a chance to explain themselves.
I always ask first and they usually allow it, but in the end, it's their time too. If they don't want to spend a minute of their possibly scarce ladder time waiting for you and you have something more important than the game, they have every right to turbo-unpause. Just ask before pausing and resuming, and try to avoid laddering when you know distractions will be happening.
The other day my mouse just failed mid game and I was like 'pp need to run upstairs get another mouse' and paused. And the guy was like 'lol no' and unpaused. I paused again, unpause.
So I sat down. I unplugged my broken mouse. And I said 'Son...I'm going to beat you with a laptop track pad.'
I've found as I started playing better people they would be more mannered about asking for pauses and about not unpausing when I ask to pause. I haven't had a bad experience with a high diamond or masters player yet, but people low diamond high plat just seem more bm in general.
As everyone already mentioned it's just common decency to ask before a pause.
Personally if someone pauses in a game without asking i'll 100% resume straight away, as usually it's someone being BM when they have already lost or trying to throw you off your game. If they simply say "pp" or "one sec plz" etc I have no problem whatsoever with it and i'll say np and wait.
I've called people BM for not saying anything before they pause, ESPECIALLY if it's during a battle. I consider that completely unnecessary, is it really so urgent you can't wait 10 seconds? Just seems like someone trying to get a cheap edge.
I don't think if the person is a douche that he will let you unpause, however always explain why you're pausing and I often have chats with the people I'm playin during the beginning stages so that's most likely why I've never faced someone so bm as to not allowing my to pause.
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
Now that's commitment.
hmm compared to "OMG LET ME PAIUSE I DUN WANNA LOOSE!!!1111one ?"
leave the game, ask the guy for a rematch if it means that much to you.
i really hate having to sit their like a muppet waiting for someone to talk on the phone "hiiiiii daaaaarlin, what r u doin? mee? noooooothin... just playing a little starcraft y'know. i r amazing at starcraft, in fact i r so amazing that im just about to beat some noob right now... but noooo i'm talking to you... jeese i really enjoy talking more than playing starcraft... okay seeya.. love you... love you more... no, me more... no me... no me... no me... isnt it funny how we love eachother so much? blahblahblahblah..."
i feel like quitting the game and going outside if the game is paused for longer than 30 seconds.
if there was a minigame or something you could do while paused it would be great, but no, it's basically like the game has severed your spinal cord. at least it should open up starjeweled or something ffs.
occasionally i pause for 10-30 seconds to talk to someone IRL real quick or deal with food or dog doing some shit or something. i always give a reason for pausing and assure them i'll be back quick, and idc if people pause on me as long as they give an explanation, and people who unpause without giving people a chance are assholes regardless of the reason.
having read the first 2 pages, LOL @ these people who feel they are completely justified in turbo-unpausing like they have better things to do than wait for their opponent. it's especially funny if one tries to convince themselves that they're somehow saving themselves a significant amount of time by turbo-unpausing to force a win.
truth is, by turbo-unpausing, yes, you get the free win if they really went afk, but the time you spend getting that takes away from the quality game that you're likely less than 5 minutes away from having if you would just exhibit a minimal amount of patience. it usually takes you almost that much time to end the game from there, except now you're playing a shitty game, and you're also pissing someone off who probably needs to do something and otherwise feels bad that they need to inconvenience you. the only real benefit is +1-2 minutes of your time, and a free win. don't convince yourself you aren't turbo-unpausing for a free-win.
it's one thing if they just pause and randomly leave with no explanation. it's another if you unpause before letting them give one. it's another if you don't care whether they have one, that just makes you a huge douche bag and i hope you get bored of this game and move on soon so you stop setting a poor example of manners.
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
Now that's commitment.
hmm compared to "OMG LET ME PAIUSE I DUN WANNA LOOSE!!!1111one ?"
leave the game, ask the guy for a rematch if it means that much to you.
I'd rather wait 1 or 2 minutes and continue with a nice game, then searching for an opponent again and playing the first few minutes of a match.
You should report them to blizzard, eventually they will be banned and we can get them out the system. That way you will always have nice people that do what you ask of them
On May 25 2011 15:24 cLutZ wrote: Don't pause. Pausing at all is BM IMO.
Not everyone lives in a sealed basement.
in a public FPS game, do you expect the entire server to sit and wait while you take a dump or whatever? what's the difference between pub fps and pub rts ?
if you have an urgent call or whatever, just leave the damn game. it's only points.
i occasionally have the TV on in the background, if i hear an interesting scene on two and a half men am i allowed to pause the game to watch it for a moment ?
pausing is dumb. the pause feature is only there if the 'other' player is okay with it. if the other player is not okay, leave the game or you're a bm kiddo.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
Wow really dude? Way to be a douche I always give a pause and always ask before I start after i pause it's just common courtesy honestly.
On May 25 2011 19:51 aka_star wrote: You should report them to blizzard, eventually they will be banned and we can get them out the system. That way you will always have nice people that do what you ask of them
On May 25 2011 15:24 cLutZ wrote: Don't pause. Pausing at all is BM IMO.
Not everyone lives in a sealed basement.
Ya dude I ignore phone calls but sometimes the door goes and it's a package or the guy to check the gas meter, or a hardware malfunction...sometimes things are out of your control.
On May 25 2011 15:24 cLutZ wrote: Don't pause. Pausing at all is BM IMO.
Not everyone lives in a sealed basement.
in a public FPS game, do you expect the entire server to sit and wait while you take a dump or whatever? what's the difference between pub fps and pub rts ?
if you have an urgent call or whatever, just leave the damn game. it's only points.
If the FPS was 1v1, yes I would expect someone to wait 1 minute if I really need to pause. Any longer than that is uncool, but to be perfectly frank 1 minute of your time is worth less to me than the points I win for beating you.
I generally pause if my opponent just asks if he may pause and everything is fine. If he cheeses and bm´d me before and doesnt ask the nthe chance of me unpausing increases drastically
On May 25 2011 15:24 cLutZ wrote: Don't pause. Pausing at all is BM IMO.
Not everyone lives in a sealed basement.
Ya dude I ignore phone calls but sometimes the door goes and it's a package or the guy to check the gas meter, or a hardware malfunction...sometimes things are out of your control.
all of that means more than a few points on a video game though, would you agree?
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
For some unknown reason, I used to have a bug where pausing the game would make me unable to chat. As you can see this might be a problem, and even though it fixed itself for me if someone pauses without saying anything I just assume they have this bug and wait for a bit. Unless its an obvious BM pause.
having someone waiting in-game on pause in sc2 is not unlike having a prossy waiting for you while you deal with other stuff, and then refusing the pay the prossy for your break time.
On May 25 2011 15:24 cLutZ wrote: Don't pause. Pausing at all is BM IMO.
Not everyone lives in a sealed basement.
in a public FPS game, do you expect the entire server to sit and wait while you take a dump or whatever? what's the difference between pub fps and pub rts ?
if you have an urgent call or whatever, just leave the damn game. it's only points.
Pub fps usually contains more than 10 people. Pub rts 1v1 ladder, you do the math.
There is a difference between pausing a game with 20 people and a game with only 2...
Unless you're diagnosed with ADD or some shit, why be mad?
On May 25 2011 15:24 cLutZ wrote: Don't pause. Pausing at all is BM IMO.
Not everyone lives in a sealed basement.
Ya dude I ignore phone calls but sometimes the door goes and it's a package or the guy to check the gas meter, or a hardware malfunction...sometimes things are out of your control.
all of that means more than a few points on a video game though, would you agree?
No. See my previous post; basically 1 minute of my opponents time is worth less to me than the points. I never pause for more than 1 minute, and I never pause unless I absolutely have to. If my opponent can't wait politely for one fucking minute when we are engaged in what is literally a one on one battle of wits and will...fuck that guy.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
On May 25 2011 19:46 Hypemeup wrote: If someone asks me if they can pause before they do it, giving a brief explanation I will wait for 5 minutes at least before unpausing.
If they just randomly pause I ask them why and if they dont answer in 10 seconds I will unpause.
So ask first, if they refuse to let you have afew minutes I think its BM really.
Pretty much the same for me, just ask and everything is fine(5 minutes is a little bit too long tho :p), just one thing to add:
Ask "go?" or something similar before you unpause, I hate people who unpause without asking , it is worse than denying a pause at all imo.
It's so simple.."sec plz, phone" "kk np" "go?" "go", everybody should be able to type that.
If I need to pause I usually pause then immiedietly write something like "sec, phone".
if someone pauses I usually write the following: "why pause?" "I'll give you 1 minute to answer and then I'll unpause" and then if they have a valid reason to pause, I'll wait an appropriate amount of time and if they are not back yet, I'll say "go?" if I don't get an answer I'll say "I'll give you three minutes to answer before I unpause" if he answers, repeat until I get too impatient.
p.s. I pause before writing because I'm not a very fast typer, thus I pause to get the time I need to type.
On May 25 2011 15:24 Ziggitz wrote: Anyone who snap unpauses is a total douchebag no ifs ands or buts. Total dick move. There is nothing wrong with pausing and briefly explaining why, you don't need to explain or ask before you do it that's just retarded. On the flip side when people pause without explaining it can be very irritating, especially if you're clearly about to win or just caught your opponent out in a cheese. I normally ask politely when someone pauses why they paused, and if I get no response in 30 seconds or so I will unpause, but if they tell me really quickly or simply say brb 1 min, just so I know they didn't accidentally pause/quit then I am happy to wait.
EDIT: TBH Blizzard really should do something about it. If you need to fix your hotkeys or a key got stuck on your keyboard you should be able to pause and quickly fix it without any problem. Since you have 3 pauses, if Blizzard could make it so that once a player paused the game, no other player could unpause for 10-15 seconds that would help a lot.
I totally agree with all you said there!
These games where people auto-unpause for no reason or offensive gg are the only ones I can get pretty BM myself and will lift all my buildings to send them across the map (if I loose). It once took them over 20 minutes to kill them all on tempest. I had time to go walk the dog and come back to see a pretty funny chat log. =)
First of all - you need to give a reason if you want a pause from me Random pauses will always lead to an unpause.
For everything else you will get enough time to tell the person on the phone to call back, or to look who's at the door (signing for the mailman). So ~2mins. If it's something important - just leave. It's only a game (funny how that always works in both ways - not only the "it's only a game, you can wait 10min" way).
Oh btw - if the game is <5min old and your reason is "bio" - no pause
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
whether to endure a pause is at the discretion of the person at the receiving end. they should not be required to sit through a pause if they don't want to, end of discussion.
-Don't use a wireless mouse/kb to play Starcraft -Your phone has voicemail -If someone is at your door that you didn't expect... probably Mormons or some other religious group. Why answer? If it's the pizza guy... why the hell did you start a ladder match waiting for the pizza guy? -Bathroom breaks are in-between games. I do not allow people to pause for this. It's like kids that need to go pee in the middle of class... isn't that what your break is for?
The only legit reason to pause is for technical problems, but the game has been out long enough that this really shouldn't be an issue.
However, if people pause without saying a word before, I wait like 5 seconds for them to start giving an explanation. If it makes any sense, I'll wait til he's finished. But if he pauses after 2 minutes into the game saying he really needs to pee right now (/or something else nonsensical), he didn't deserve the pause.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just expect to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
whether to endure a pause is at the discretion of the person at the receiving end. they should not be required to sit through a pause if they don't want to, end of discussion.
Sure it's okey for them to refuse waiting, but it's still considered bm.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
In this case, I don't think it's the win or the points that matters. It's the fact that you can make someone so very upset with so little effort. That is the true reward.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
pausing is easy. Just pause say second if you are nice even explain things. But its inappropriate to pause in any battle, you will have to wait till its over before pausing (find a good point to pull back to pause for example). And if they unpause at any moment when you are gone, send the replay as a report to blizzard. If they unpause asap just chat with em, they will flame you anyway and you can report them as well.
The biggest problem is that people that you cannot really disable this, otherwise the people that unpause now will pause when they are loosing. So no solution to this is possible other then remove pause complelty ^^.
Only way if such people upset you is to report every single one of em ^^. Atleast you supported blizzard with it because kiddos like this will buy another copy asap.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
Imagine you are playing tennis and the other guy breaks some strings on his racket. He's like 'hey dude let me get my other racket' and you're like 'HAHAHAHA' and just serve 5 times in a row winning the set. When he's like 'wtf' you say hey man it's just a game I don't have time to wait for you, just quit if you break a racket.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
Imagine you are playing tennis and the other guy breaks some strings on his racket. He's like 'hey dude let me get my other racket' and you're like 'HAHAHAHA' and just serve 5 times in a row winning the set. When he's like 'wtf' you say hey man it's just a game I don't have time to wait for you, just quit if you break a racket.
Dick move man. Dick move.
not really, because most sports have breaks of play. starcraft does not have break in play.
i'm pretty sure in tennis you'll find that you can't serve unless the opposing player is ready/in position.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
But you metaphor is flawed in the sense that I (the old lady) am telling or making the person to do anything. I am asking for a pause and it is within you right to refuse. But to most of the community, myself included that is considerate very BM
So lets amend the metaphor once more
The old lady drops her groceries and asks if you can help her pick them up because she is having trouble, you say no. Well within you rights to refuse but a prick move all the same
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
I thought I was the only one to do this. I do not get mad when someone pauses. As long as it's not over two minutes and they asked first. If they just paused with no communication, it's the worst bm you can get in my opinion.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
But you metaphor is flawed in the sense that I (the old lady) am telling or making the person to do anything. I am asking for a pause and it is within you right to refuse. But to most of the community, myself included that is considerate very BM
So lets amend the metaphor once more
The old lady drops her groceries and asks if you can help her pick them up because she is having trouble, you say no. Well within you rights to refuse but a prick move all the same
Although in this case all you have to do is sit there and wait, no effort required on your part :D
Surely if you're playing, your time is not so valuable that you can't at least chill for a minute or two while they do what they gotta do.
Just quickly ask or explain why you need to pause, and people will likely wait. It doesn't take much, just "phone sec" or "doorbell, just a sec". If someone pauses and doesn't explain, I don't know if they're trolling or actually need to pause. If you expect me to wait, then I expect you to take two seconds and type in why you want me to wait. That seems pretty fair to me.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
Imagine you are playing tennis and the other guy breaks some strings on his racket. He's like 'hey dude let me get my other racket' and you're like 'HAHAHAHA' and just serve 5 times in a row winning the set. When he's like 'wtf' you say hey man it's just a game I don't have time to wait for you, just quit if you break a racket.
Dick move man. Dick move.
not really, because most sports have breaks of play. starcraft does not have break in play.
i'm pretty sure in tennis you'll find that you can't serve unless the opposing player is ready/in position.
Obviously all metaphors have breaking points, that doesn't mean you can take it that far and claim you won the argument...but regardless you missed my point entirely.
My point is that in a one on one competition, if your opponent has an issue they need to sort out that will only take a few moments, it's bad manners to just ignore it completely. There is no reason not to wait 1 minute, unless you are hugely impatient. It's fucking courtesy...I could argue all I wanted that there's no reason to thank the guy serving you in a restaurant because it's his job, but despite all the rationalisations I could bring it'd still display a lack of courtesy.
Another example, in football if someone goes down injured and the referee doesn't blow the whistle because the other team has an advantage/are on a break, very often said team will kick the ball out of play if they think the guy might really be hurt. After it's sorted the team with the injured player will throw it in to their goalkeeper who will kick it to other end of the field. None of this is necessary, they're not obligated to do it, they could leave the guy rolling on the floor and break with an extra man.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
But you metaphor is flawed in the sense that I (the old lady) am telling the person to do anything. I am asking for a pause and it is within you right to refuse. But to most of the community, myself included that is considerate very BM
So lets amend the metaphor once more
The old lady drops her groceries and asks if you can help her pick them up because she is having trouble, you say no. Well within you rights to refuse but a prick move all the same
fair enough, but the other thing is that you can visually assess the old lady or the quantity of groceries and time plan around it, which you can't transpose to the pause discussion.
to amend our metaphor:
an old lady wearing a balaclava approaches you and asks you to follow her around the corner to assist in picking up her spilled groceries. out of good faith, you want to help the old lady - but you likely didn't plan on stopping and thus it may well eat into the 60 minutes you had alotted to your evening gym session.
to reiterate, i'm not someone who unpauses. but i see the frustration, and if i ever wanted to pause i would totally understand if someone would refuse.
On May 25 2011 16:11 probob wrote: I always wait when someone pauses and expect so from my opponents. I always though ppl who unpause are around the age of 12.
Hahahahaha, me too. I never really understood why someone took their own ladder time SO seriously that they can't just chill for 10-20 secs while you take care of something.
"BUT OMFG, MY TIME TOO, SO DAMN VALUABLE, DON'T LADDER THEN." Be realistic and grow up. Some of us have lots of things going on. If my dog implies that he needs to piss, you better believe that I'd rather you chill for the 20 secs it takes me to let him out than have to clean that up. If I just spilled my beer, I'm not playing with that all over the front of me.
If your time is as valuable as you claim go play some game where you don't have to worry about other people wasting it at all. Like Solitaire.
I guess you've never dealt with troll pausers then? There are many times on ladder, where I'll be winning a game, and the opponent will pause without explanation, just to try to annoy me. I don't see anything that could be so urgent, you couldn't take the time to write "brb 1 min" or something like that, to let me know that you are in fact leaving your computer and are coming back, not just being juvenile.
For me, I have to deal with my phone dcing me on about the 2nd ring. Sometimes I just don't have enough time to answer the phone before I get Dc'd. And troll pausers are much less common than troll unpausers. Sometimes I even have to deal with my keyboard failing because of an in game error, so I cannot tell people why I'm pausing. I just think people need to give the benefit of the doubt and imagine the possibilities before labeling "HE'S TROLLING".
Mainly I wont ever unpause but theres been a couple of times when whatever my opponent has been doing has taken more than 5mins with no further message to explain so Ive unpaused it
i just leave the game if something comes up...its rude to make someone wait for something that has nothing to do with them. if someone pauses on me i always wait though but sometimes i wish people would tell me how long they are going to be because i would just leave if its going to be 5 minutes or more. It is actually totally ok if someone upauses on you though. They bought the game and they have no reason not to if that is what they want to do.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
Imagine you are playing tennis and the other guy breaks some strings on his racket. He's like 'hey dude let me get my other racket' and you're like 'HAHAHAHA' and just serve 5 times in a row winning the set. When he's like 'wtf' you say hey man it's just a game I don't have time to wait for you, just quit if you break a racket.
Dick move man. Dick move.
not really, because most sports have breaks of play. starcraft does not have break in play.
i'm pretty sure in tennis you'll find that you can't serve unless the opposing player is ready/in position.
Obviously all metaphors have breaking points, that doesn't mean you can take it that far and claim you won the argument...but regardless you missed my point entirely.
My point is that in a one on one competition, if your opponent has an issue they need to sort out that will only take a few moments, it's bad manners to just ignore it completely. There is no reason not to wait 1 minute, unless you are hugely impatient. It's fucking courtesy...I could argue all I wanted that there's no reason to thank the guy serving you in a restaurant because it's his job, but despite all the rationalisations I could bring it'd still display a lack of courtesy.
Another example, in football if someone goes down injured and the referee doesn't blow the whistle because the other team has an advantage/are on a break, very often said team will kick the ball out of play if they think the guy might really be hurt. After it's sorted the team with the injured player will throw it in to their goalkeeper who will kick it to other end of the field. None of this is necessary, they're not obligated to do it, they could leave the guy rolling on the floor and break with an extra man.
Your football example is equivalent to someone playing starcraft and pausing because his wife broke her leg. You can't compare answering the phone to someone lying on the ground injured
And to anyone who types sec, you should really explain more. I've seen countless people who type "sec" and it's just as bad as not saying anything cause I don't know if you'll be back in 1 minute or 5 minutes.
It sounds like OP needs to pause too often during his games. I for one, have never had to pause during a ladder match. Like other people mentioned, ignore the phone call, if it's important, they'll repeatedly call. If you're expecting someone at the door then don't ladder, or make sure someone else can answer the door. People log on to have fun and play games, not to sit on a pause screen while you do other things.
On May 25 2011 19:50 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
You sir are a sad little man, but unfortunately every community has asshats like this guy. Lucky they are not very common.
I would say most of the starcraft community are more then willing to give you a second within reason. Generally you only see people like the above poster in the lower leagues though as most gamers would value playing a good game over a stupid win like that
he merely cares about points, as much as you care about points for wanting to pause.
And that sir is where you are wrong, i could care less about the points. Take the win if it means so much to you. I think it is funny you care about the win so much. I have only ever paused a game once and that is because i knocked my drink over and needed to clean it up
surely it's okay for them to refuse to wait for you while you clear the spillage?
You are correct, it is there right to unpause if they want. Just dont expect not to be called out for the dick move that it is.
Metaphorically speaking it is like when an old lady drops her groceries and she is struggling to pick them up. You dont have to help her but people are going to think you are prick for not offering to.
actually, to amend your metaphor.
it would be entering a shop, an old lady drops her groceries as you walk by, then she presses a "you'll help me pick up my groceries"-button and you have no choice but to either help her or be labelled a dick.
But you metaphor is flawed in the sense that I (the old lady) am telling the person to do anything. I am asking for a pause and it is within you right to refuse. But to most of the community, myself included that is considerate very BM
So lets amend the metaphor once more
The old lady drops her groceries and asks if you can help her pick them up because she is having trouble, you say no. Well within you rights to refuse but a prick move all the same
fair enough, but the other thing is that you can visually assess the old lady or the quantity of groceries and time plan around it, which you can't transpose to the pause discussion.
to amend our metaphor:
an old lady wearing a balaclava approaches you and asks you to follow her around the corner to assist in picking up her spilled groceries. out of good faith, you want to help the old lady - but you likely didn't plan on stopping and thus it may well eat into the 60 minutes you had alotted to your evening gym session.
to reiterate, i'm not someone who unpauses. but i see the frustration, and if i ever wanted to pause i would totally understand if someone would refuse.
I not saying you shizna but the original person I quoted (LoneWolf.Alpha) as he was doing it just to be a troll and mean spirited as you can tell by the context of his post. Also you can tell how long a pause is going to last cause any upstanding person asking for a pause will tell you how long of a pause they need.
So if we are to take into count the context that LoneWolf.Alpha was using for our metaphor and revised it
An old lady wearing a balaclava approaches you and asks you to follow her around the corner to assist in picking up her spilled groceries and says it will only take a few minutes. You tell the lady that is too bad so sad, but you have to get to the gym cause you only have an hour even though those few minutes will have a minuscule effect on your routine but you just dont want to help her.
Stuff like asking for a 25 min pause or not even asking for the pause in the first place but expecting it anyway is what your last two metaphors where alluding too and are not all right. But asking for 30 sec to 2 min pause in a polite way are not going to hurt anyone. You unpausing just to get an easy win is just not right.
To refresh what lone wolf said and what you where defending
i love it when somenoe pauses. i just say, sure. then unpause when they are gone, and when they come back, they are dead.
also, i ask if i can pause cause i gotta use the bathroom. then i unpause randomly and attack and hopefully catch them off gaurd.
Another example, in football if someone goes down injured and the referee doesn't blow the whistle because the other team has an advantage/are on a break, very often said team will kick the ball out of play if they think the guy might really be hurt. After it's sorted the team with the injured player will throw it in to their goalkeeper who will kick it to other end of the field.
Ya but then its obviously what is going on and that a break is justified The analogy should realy be like this:At a random poin in the first half of the match one of the players picks up the ball and says "hold on a second, i need to do something, and he goes to the dressing room to stay there for 5 minutes and then returns" Well: infact he doesnt even say annything, he just picks up the ball and leave to return 5 minutes later Now how weird would that be?
Courtesy on the internets is somewhat tricky since you have absolutely no idea whats happening on the other side of the line and people will take advantage of it is my experience Sry for beeing bit cynical but its reality on the internet Not saying this justifys beeing rude btw.
Ever since widespread of allin strategies started on GSL i have been hearing one sentence. " You do what you can to win, it is not unmannered if it works." People abused me, pylon rushed me, bunker, reaper banshee helion harrased me in attempt to win as easy as possible.
In game, you join ladder match against me i hate you for your ingame race and previous abuses instantly. U are my worst enemy, u fuel my hate. I will insta-unpause automatically.. u have some trouble IRL and need time ? Fine for me, u have surrender option right next to pause, use that one instead.
ONLY exception for this are tournament, clan or friend matches. But on the gray area u want to abuse me, destroy me, u are using everythink u can to win .. well quess what ? i will do the same.
And btw i know your manner "please wait sec.." is a disguise and u will turn into "i fucked your cheap mother" insulting kid right after i unpause. I am not the one pretending - I will snap-resume and even flame u for it - to get you out of comfort zone. [evil grin]
^ If you are serious with your post and thats how your mindset is when you ladder, I feel sorry for you and everyone who has to play you. -----
If I need pause I always write "need pause" and when my opponent gives me the go-ahead I pause and explain myself real quick. Never had any problems with this like people refusing pause or unpausing.
Yeah, pauses are annoying as hell, unless someone is dying or something crazy is happening a pause throws my game off. If the pause is going to take more than 30 seconds, just leave instead of wasting someones time. Also if someone pauses without an excuse, I will always auto unpause the game, I just hate going from peak APM down to 0 and trying to work my way back into the game.
If they do give a decent reason, then I give 2-3 min max, ask if they are there and then unpause. I just want to be efficient in my ladder time and not have a ton of interruptions mess with my playing.
I usually pause, if it's suited (like battle is finished or something) or do a fast pp before pausing, and ask if it's OK if I take 10sec-3min to (do whatever). If not, then I just all-in and hope for the best. If it's OK, I do whatever and come back and hopefully be able to continue my thought.
what is the problem if you have to go, then go. If he is a bad mannered dude that just snaps right back into the game then let him do it and just leave the game if you feel it sets you back.
I personally just type "p" and pause it. It gives just a inch of respect to the opponent and then "brb 2 sec" into the standard transition "thx, ready?" then go.
...and yes it can be frustrating as hell when some one pauses especially in team games like 4v4 or 3v3 i just instant unpauses, that 7-5 people should sit and wait is unacceptable. In 1v1 i am mannered as long as the other part is mannered as well, if not sneaky unpause into win.
I had someone pause each time I attacked yesterday, which is fine and I let him because it was clear I would win each fight. However he didn't take the time to gg and instead ranted on imbalance after I had taken 3 minutes of my time to deal with his problems...pretty sure he was just trolling, kinda sad =(
If you do not let someone pause if he asks your a dick imo. Like you never have to pause the game yourself. Yesterday I asked someone if I could pause to open the door. He says ok, waits 10 sec, and unpause. That was the biggest retard I have ever seen on Starcraft. I was shocked he could live with being himself, I would feel awful.
i can't say that i have experienced this, several times i've paused to do something like go to the bathroom, but with asking before (don't think i've been denied more than once, out of 50 + times) but i allways write "gl hf" at the eginning of every game and as i said, when i pause i either ask before pausing if i have the time or i explain it as soon as i paused and when i unpause i allways ask if he's rdy and joking about it. but yeah, i constantly pause like for 1-2 minutes atleast and quite often to really go to the bathroom even if it's like 50 sec into the game and only one time out of like 100 it's been like np. I think i differs from leauge to leauge aswell, i play in masters and players there probably play to learn, not to cheese themselves higher up the ladder.
I've had a ladder game where I asked if I could pause to use the restroom real quick. He said 'sure' so I paused and as soon as I got up from my chair he had unpaused. Suffice to say I had to hold in my pee and proceed to roflstomp and teach him a lesson about polite manners.
On May 25 2011 21:56 Diderick wrote: If you do not let someone pause if he asks your a dick imo. Like you never have to pause the game yourself. Yesterday I asked someone if I could pause to open the door. He says ok, waits 10 sec, and unpause. That was the biggest retard I have ever seen on Starcraft. I was shocked he could live with being himself, I would feel awful.
I hope you spammed him with something like " How can you live with being yourself? How do you get up in the morning and look in the mirror?"
I personally just dislike when people pause without saying anything like even "pp" for pause please is pretty standard. But it's kind of bullshit to mess up someone else's rhythm without giving them even a seconds worth of warning.
It is kind of sad to see how many people just cant understand that you need a short break irl, i mean what does it cost you other than 60sec? Quite a shame i think how selfish people seem to be and are unpausing just to get a free win. I can completely understand if someone just pauses and you instantly resume but if there is a good reason you should give them some time.
Just do what you want but once there will come a time where YOU need to pause so be aware of the fact that others then might not pause for you.
Unless I know the guy I'm playing or played him often I will always unpause. I just can't be arsed to wait for some random guy on the internet. Only twice have I had to go to the bathroom badly when I'm already in a game and both times I just left the game.
I don't understand how it's bad mannered to not want to wait for you, for all I know you could say 2 sec and I sit there 2 minutes+ with no answear.
*If you've been cheesy as fuck, it's getting unpaused.
*If the game is very clearly over, it's getting unpaused.
*If you smack talked in any way, it's getting unpaused.
*If it's the middle of a game deciding battle, it's getting unpaused (especially if their army is micro oriented and they can greatly benefit from the pause).
if something extremely important that needs urgent attention comes up, then i would rather the person leave. a game on the ladder should not be the focus at the time for them if its that important. (this is assuming they didn't ask beforehand)
On May 25 2011 21:56 rexob wrote: i can't say that i have experienced this, several times i've paused to do something like go to the bathroom, but with asking before (don't think i've been denied more than once, out of 50 + times) but i allways write "gl hf" at the eginning of every game and as i said, when i pause i either ask before pausing if i have the time or i explain it as soon as i paused and when i unpause i allways ask if he's rdy and joking about it. but yeah, i constantly pause like for 1-2 minutes atleast and quite often to really go to the bathroom even if it's like 50 sec into the game and only one time out of like 100 it's been like np. I think i differs from leauge to leauge aswell, i play in masters and players there probably play to learn, not to cheese themselves higher up the ladder.
You know instead of starting your next game, you could use that in between time to go to the bathroom as opposed to pausing 50 seconds into the game. Pausing 100 times throughout all the games you've played is a little ridiculous
On May 25 2011 22:03 Pred8oar wrote: It is kind of sad to see how many people just cant understand that you need a short break irl, i mean what does it cost you other than 60sec? Quite a shame i think how selfish people seem to be and are unpausing just to get a free win. I can completely understand if someone just pauses and you instantly resume but if there is a good reason you should give them some time.
Just do what you want but once there will come a time where YOU need to pause so be aware of the fact that others then might not pause for you.
Is there money on the line for the game? Yes/no Do you really need to go? Yes/no (90%+ of phone calls can be ignored for the game duration.)
If both aren't yes you can just leave the game or play on. No need to pause. If both are no, then why do you even want to pause?
If you are polite I won't un-pause, otherwise I think you should just leave the game. It is 1v1 without money on the line. Just move on, no stress about fixing things quickly that way.
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
I like this. I'm kind of the same way, I never allow for anything to interrupt me other than the dire need to go to the bathroom, or anything emergency-related that I can't wait around for.
On May 25 2011 22:03 Pred8oar wrote: It is kind of sad to see how many people just cant understand that you need a short break irl, i mean what does it cost you other than 60sec? Quite a shame i think how selfish people seem to be and are unpausing just to get a free win. I can completely understand if someone just pauses and you instantly resume but if there is a good reason you should give them some time.
Just do what you want but once there will come a time where YOU need to pause so be aware of the fact that others then might not pause for you.
And you don't understand people on the other side of it. What if the opponent has to leave in 20ish minutes so he decides to ladder one game. Now you've paused the game, which could potential make him late for his appointment.
I believe the only legit pauses are hardware issues. Need to go to the bathroom? Hold it, you could've gone before you clicked Find Match. Phone call? You can call back
For some reason I feel this is directed to me. Yesterday in a teamgame someone just paused the game, so I waited a few seconds and unpaused. Edit: this was literally at the start where you can actually fumble around. Few moments later he got all mad and I got mad in return. Turns out it was my teammate.
The thing here is that I really don't mind waiting a bit, as long as you are human about it. If you can press F10 + P or Pause Break, you can also press 1 sec, wait, moment, phone, sec, pause, pp, brb anything to show that you are actually a human being that is aware he is pausing. As long as you do that, I don't mind and I think it's stupid when people unpause then, unless it takes really long.
Sometimes my keyboard screws up(F U Razer Lycosa) and I have to pause it with the mouse. People relly are impatient and will unpause it.... Makes me rage every time. It's never a situation I'm intending to do by pausing and making them wait. It's an unexpected issue I have to address and I really wish more people were more considerate about it. I pause for a reason.
For some reason I can't chat when the game is paused, atleast not when I've paused it, it's really annoying because I can't ask if my opponent is ready after I'm back -.-. any ideas what the problem might be? I always feel so BM when I have to unpause and then ask if he's ready lol....
A few weeks ago I had to pause because someone hit my car. When I realized that the situation was going to be a lot more involved than I thought, I just gave the guy the win. No need to have him sit there paused for 5 minutes when I was going to lose to his four-gate anyway!
On May 25 2011 21:56 Diderick wrote: If you do not let someone pause if he asks your a dick imo. Like you never have to pause the game yourself. Yesterday I asked someone if I could pause to open the door. He says ok, waits 10 sec, and unpause. That was the biggest retard I have ever seen on Starcraft. I was shocked he could live with being himself, I would feel awful.
I hope you spammed him with something like " How can you live with being yourself? How do you get up in the morning and look in the mirror?"
I don't think I ever raged harder on someone at ladder ^^
I let people pause for things like mouse failures/phone calls for a few seconds all the time but when it takes too long I don't see a point in it. Letting me wait for a minute or more just because you can't get your stuff sorted out shows that you don't respect my time.
I don't really pause if something came up ( door etc). I would feel like that's wasting his time. I just let the game run its course with me being 2-3 mins afk. If i were still in it somehow, i'll play on. Otherwise i just concede.
I would say I'm one of these so called "unpausers".
I couldn't care less about people who are too stupid not to play ladder when they are expecting phone calls or visitors. And if you have a baby and you're the only one in the house, maybe you shouldn't play ladder then either.
When someone calls me and I'm not waiting for an important call I just let it ring or throw away my headset and talk while playing.
You people are the assholes, thinking I would waste my time waiting for you and your special needs.
For the OP. The only time I let people pause the game is when they give me an ETA so I can tab out. Something along the lines of "pp 1 min".
They're technically not obligated to wait for you and sacrifice their time because of issues you have but I do agree it's a complete dick move to unpause. Like come on, if you're laddering you obviously have 30 seconds to spare. If your life is so hectic that you can't even afford to spend 30 seconds to be nice to someone then you need to 1) reconsider how much you're overworking yourself and 2) ask why the hell you're on starcraft. People who pause under the excuse of "I don't have to wait, you shouldn't be wasting my time with your problems" are just complete assholes in my opinion.
That being said, there's obviously a limit. Pausing is annoying anyway because it breaks the flow of the game, and being Zerg I spend the first few minutes trying to get myself into a rhythm of army control, larva, scouting, etc over and over; that's just how I play most effectively and it's really disrupted by people who pause. I'll still wait for someone but yea its irritating. Also, I'm not gonna wait for over 3 minutes, because then it does start going into the "you shouldn't have laddered in the first place if you knew you had to do something" or "you're wasting my time" territory.
Also as a tip, try to be nice to people. Say gl hf in the beginning of the game, be friendly if a small conversation arises, etc. If you're likable people are more willing to grant you favors and wait for you. If you open the game with "Fucking protoss bitch" then I doubt anyone will wait no matter how good your excuse.
On May 25 2011 22:34 Gnax wrote: I would say I'm one of these so called "unpausers".
I couldn't care less about people who are too stupid not to play ladder when they are expecting phone calls or visitors. And if you have a baby and you're the only one in the house, maybe you shouldn't play ladder then either.
When someone calls me and I'm not waiting for an important call I just let it ring or throw away my headset and talk while playing.
You people are the assholes, thinking I would waste my time waiting for you and your special needs.
For the OP. The only time I let people pause the game is when they give me an ETA so I can tab out. Something along the lines of "pp 1 min".
Who says they are 'expecting' a phone call or someone ringing their door bell? Stuff happens, how hard for you is it to wait for 1-2 minutes?
If you want a 100% guarantee there will be no pauses you should play vs the AI.
I think rather than 3 pauses, the game should allow 1 or 2 minutes of pause time that's unbreakable. It should give you enough time to either take your call, or explain yourself. If it's abused, hey, it's only a minute.
On May 25 2011 22:34 Gnax wrote: I would say I'm one of these so called "unpausers".
I couldn't care less about people who are too stupid not to play ladder when they are expecting phone calls or visitors. And if you have a baby and you're the only one in the house, maybe you shouldn't play ladder then either.
When someone calls me and I'm not waiting for an important call I just let it ring or throw away my headset and talk while playing.
You people are the assholes, thinking I would waste my time waiting for you and your special needs.
For the OP. The only time I let people pause the game is when they give me an ETA so I can tab out. Something along the lines of "pp 1 min".
Who says they are 'expecting' a phone call or someone ringing their door bell? Stuff happens, how hard for you is it to wait for 1-2 minutes?
If you want a 100% guarantee there will be no pauses you should play vs the AI.
Because I know that a lot of people take life way too serious and feel like they need to be available for anyone at any point or otherwise people won't like them anymore or something. Just let the phone ring people, and call them back.
If there are any that doubt that letting your opponent do what he needs to do for a couple minutes is super cool and manner, this thread should make your realise your immense folly.
On May 25 2011 22:37 Sir Snoopy wrote: I think rather than 3 pauses, the game should allow 1 or 2 minutes of pause time that's unbreakable. It should give you enough time to either take your call, or explain yourself. If it's abused, hey, it's only a minute.
Fixing something terrible with something more terrible, yeah what a great solution.
On topic, if a guy says "pp", "1min" or whatever and then pauses then it's fine, but too many people just pause and don't say a word so I can see why some people are fed up with pausing and just automatically unpauses on anyone. And even pausing/unpausing on the ladder isn't such a big deal, it's just a ladder game.
If people ask and give a rough time estimate, sure. I'll give them 2-3 minutes, tops. Any longer than that and they should just quit and take the loss. It's not like it's a huge deal to have 1 loss added to their record. That's what I do anyway. If a game gets interrupted and I think it'll take longer than a minute, I'll just bow out and give them the free win. (Note, if they're miles ahead and obviously winning, I'll just do the quitting for them. No sense in making them take a loss if they've obviously won already.)
Pausing for longer, or not asking/notifying or anything just seems rude and I will unpause as I see fit. A movie theater doesn't stop the movie for you and make everyone wait if you've got a phone call. Why should I be obligated to wait for it? Now if this were a game between regulars or friends or even people you might know, sure. But we're talking random strangers here. In my eyes, the pausee is under no obligation to agree, and he/she is doing a favor to the pauser by waiting for them. As such, I think I should have the ability to say "no, sorry. I'm not going to wait while you take a shit." and unpause if it's taking too long or there is no explanation why I should be waiting.
Comes down to respect. I respect their time and effort, just like they should respect mine. If they don't -> unpause, free win.
I unpause unless they asked beforehand. Watching people get butthurt about unpausing is always lots of fun as well cos it shows how arrogant they are to demand courtesy when they have given nothing themselves. If you want a pause have the decency to ask first.
I don't think anyone is special enough that they cannot take 5min or less out of their day to let their opponent answer the door. Also, I do not understand AT ALL the argument that pausing the game is BM. "It is so BM to get an important phone call while you are playing StarCraft" L O L Noobs are just hungry for free wins.
I play Starcraft to have a fun and interesting game against challenging human opponents. I like to test myself and my ideas and my execution. And I like to see how things play out, for example, if I make a mistake at 6:00, will I be screwed at 7:00? If I micro well, will I win this battle, or is it hopeless? Let's find out! Now, sadly interrupting the fun, something in real life happens. I don't expect it, you don't know what it is, it just happened and it requires my attention. So, either I pause and you allow the pause, wasting 10-60s. Or I pause, you unpause, and I leave, wasting the entire length of time that we've already played. I mean, we went through 15:00 of a great game and soon enough we'll see the conclusion; you'd rather throw that away than wait a few seconds? When you think about it this way, the reason I'm pissed when you refuse to allow the pause, is that you're wasting my time and yours by choosing to ruin a perfectly good game rather than wait a few seconds. Not to mention I think you're a total no-class bum with no sense of sportsmanship or courtesy. I would never, ever unpause without at least asking for an explanation and waiting a bit, both because of common courtesy, and more importantly because I don't want to ruin the game for myself (or you). Do people really get more satisfaction from beating an afk person (ladder points, yay!) than they do from playing a good game?
As far as team games, don't you think it's 100x worse to ruin an entire game by unpausing when a person is unable to play, than it is to make several people wait a few seconds? If my options are 'pause' or 'leave' I will always attempt to pause for the sake of the game as a whole and my team mates. If I see you repeatedly unpause, I'll be forced to leave and hope my allies can control my units, but really... why ruin a perfectly good game like that?
The thing about 'you have to say something first' sort of makes sense, but sometimes it just isn't possible. If a keyboard fails, or something needs your attention RIGHT NOW, or something like that, it's not going to be possible to explain first. Recognize that fact and give the benefit of the doubt.
I'm also confused as to how anyone would gain an advantage by pausing? I mean, it's the middle of a battle, if I pause, it's not like I'm somehow gonna be better or you're gonna be worse when I unpause.
People who think there are no good reasons to pause, Idunno... you either have very little imagination, or you prioritize Starcraft way too highly. Or both.
tl;dr You ought to allow pauses because waiting for a pause is better than wasting the entire length of time the game has gone on so far.
Definitely ask first and or warm the player that your going to pause by saying, i'm pausing or pp and DEFINITELY DEFINITELY warn them before unpausing. I always let people pause and I really hate it when they don't warn me before unpausing, I think that's extremely bad mannered specially since the guy just let you paused the game when he didn't have to.
If you want someone to pause the game 1) don't play cheesy and 2) Ask them before you pause. and give an explanation if they ask.
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
Now that's commitment.
Not really, that's common courtesy IMO. I feel even more strongly about it in team games; when I'm playing LoL and someone AFKs for 3 minutes, it's like "Dude, whatever you've got going on is less important than the experience of 9 other people". SC2 1v1 isn't as big a deal, but I still would never interrupt a game just to answer the phone or something.
If you snap-unpause in a team game without giving someone a chance to explain, and you're my ally, I'm going to backstab you, because you're scum and you deserve it.
If i need to do something in middle of a laddergame ill leave instead of pause. Pause is just annoying for both and I don't see a reason for it to be on ladder.
On May 25 2011 23:20 Brillor wrote: If i need to do something in middle of a laddergame ill leave instead of pause. Pause is just annoying for both and I don't see a reason for it to be on ladder.
Agreed. That would be the best solution. Remove pause. Either you fix it fast enough not to lose or you can leave. It would be different in a 2h+ Hero Defence or something like that though, but that isn't ladder.
I lost at least 3 games due to some auto-unpausers. I always say "pp then the reason of the pause" But they just seem to see an easy win. That's what i think.
I guess it depends, some players are nice and will allow you to pause, aren't are just here for the win.
Pausing in game is not bm, sometimes things just happen. As long as someone explains why they're pausing, I don't mind and if they don't I just unpause after a minute. If I ever have to go for more than a minute, I'll just leave. It's only points, anyway.
I don't even know why they have a pause option in this game. If you're playing CoD, you can't pause the game. If you're playing Soccer, you can't pause the game. Even in sports where you can pause, there is a time limit to the Time-Out.
Blizzard implemented the pause feature the way they did for a reason. It is completely up to the opponent regarding length of pause. I would prefer them getting rid of pauses completely so this is a non issue. If you are doing other shit while laddering (which some people take VERY VERY seriously) don't be upset that the other shit loses you a game here and there.
Personally, I'll wait for a pause UNLESS they pause in the first min or two of game. I find that very BM. Seriously, why queue up a game if you have to go afk in the first minute? F-That, I'm unpausing.
i nv unpause when someone pauses, but i can understand why they would unpause Imagine there you are on a losing streak after some frustrating games and somebody just go like Pausing,pp(some might not know it means please pause) etc...... and you just wanna get this over quick. So yeah, a lose won't hurt very much.. just play another game.
Yeah if you need to pause once in a 50 games and opponent unpauses then it's not a big deal, but if you pause every single game because you have 5 kids then it's your problem. Don't play the game if you can't have 20mins of free time.
In 1v1s I always let them have a few minutes especially if they explain the situation. But I absolutely hate it when people pause the game in 3v3 or 4v4s. Seriously? You are going to pause the game and make 7 other people wait for you while you have to go pee or something?
You ask you opponent whether you could pause a second. If it's not important and he says no, it doesn't matter. If it is important and he says no, the game shouldn't be more important.
On May 25 2011 23:09 Keilah wrote: Well, here's one way to think about things:
I play Starcraft to have a fun and interesting game against challenging human opponents. I like to test myself and my ideas and my execution. And I like to see how things play out, for example, if I make a mistake at 6:00, will I be screwed at 7:00? If I micro well, will I win this battle, or is it hopeless? Let's find out! Now, sadly interrupting the fun, something in real life happens. I don't expect it, you don't know what it is, it just happened and it requires my attention. So, either I pause and you allow the pause, wasting 10-60s. Or I pause, you unpause, and I leave, wasting the entire length of time that we've already played. I mean, we went through 15:00 of a great game and soon enough we'll see the conclusion; you'd rather throw that away than wait a few seconds? When you think about it this way, the reason I'm pissed when you refuse to allow the pause, is that you're wasting my time and yours by choosing to ruin a perfectly good game rather than wait a few seconds. Not to mention I think you're a total no-class bum with no sense of sportsmanship or courtesy. I would never, ever unpause without at least asking for an explanation and waiting a bit, both because of common courtesy, and more importantly because I don't want to ruin the game for myself (or you). Do people really get more satisfaction from beating an afk person (ladder points, yay!) than they do from playing a good game?
As far as team games, don't you think it's 100x worse to ruin an entire game by unpausing when a person is unable to play, than it is to make several people wait a few seconds? If my options are 'pause' or 'leave' I will always attempt to pause for the sake of the game as a whole and my team mates. If I see you repeatedly unpause, I'll be forced to leave and hope my allies can control my units, but really... why ruin a perfectly good game like that?
The thing about 'you have to say something first' sort of makes sense, but sometimes it just isn't possible. If a keyboard fails, or something needs your attention RIGHT NOW, or something like that, it's not going to be possible to explain first. Recognize that fact and give the benefit of the doubt.
I'm also confused as to how anyone would gain an advantage by pausing? I mean, it's the middle of a battle, if I pause, it's not like I'm somehow gonna be better or you're gonna be worse when I unpause.
People who think there are no good reasons to pause, Idunno... you either have very little imagination, or you prioritize Starcraft way too highly. Or both.
tl;dr You ought to allow pauses because waiting for a pause is better than wasting the entire length of time the game has gone on so far.
Lol what kind of ideal world do you live in where every game you play is so great. You realize 90% of the people who are laddering just want to win right? In team games, I would definitely rather have the person leave the game because you get all their minerals and can control their units.
If you just say "AFK 60 seconds" I'm fine with pausing. But at the same time if you just pause and walk away, and I type, "hey whats going on, hello? hello?" and don't get any response I'm not going wait around for more than a minute or two before just unpausing, at least on ladder. If I'm in a custom game i'll probably just leave, I don't have all day.
I allow pauses most of the time, but seriously, people pausing then coming back in the game 20-60sc later WITHOUT asking if you're ready annoy me so if I have any doubt my opp is gonna do that I'll unpause. Whatever I still say "No, Sorry" and wait 10sc before unpausing.
On May 25 2011 23:40 Tikan wrote: I allow pauses most of the time, but seriously, people pausing then coming back in the game 20-60sc later WITHOUT asking if you're ready annoy me so if I have any doubt my opp is gonna do that I'll unpause. Whatever I still say "No, Sorry" and wait 10sc before unpausing.
Teach me how you do to know with no doubt that he's gonna ninja-unpause himself ? Man, I want that skill too !
If somone gives me a reason then I wait about 5 minutes if they dont say anything they I dont care as much because I dont know what's going on or what there doing it could take a long as time if I dont know so I just start the game about 2-3 minutes without reason
I never had trouble with pauses, I guess master league is better mannered? Also in tournaments noone unpauses so really no problems, I just ask and they're like ok :o
I don't think I've ever seen anyone unpause if they've been asked first. unless it's in 4v4 or something, then it's kind of the diffusion of responsibility.
I unpause, maybe it's cause i enjoy trolling people. I go all in, i say that the race i'm playing is my offrace just to mess with people etc. I have fun doing it and it doesn't hurt anyone. It's kinda like ganking people in a MMO, it's part of the game and people will use it.
On May 25 2011 23:48 SMMN wrote: I never had trouble with pauses, I guess master league is better mannered? Also in tournaments noone unpauses so really no problems, I just ask and they're like ok :o
People are much more different when there's money involved... whereas the ladder = just play as many games as they can... and they want to win... doesn't really matter how they won...
The way I see it, when I click the find match button, I am in a way making a commitment to my opponent that I am willing to put aside a block of time in order to determine the winner of our game.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that RL things that are more important that a game of SC can come up, but if something does come up that is more important than out game, taking a loss should also not be much of a problem for them.
If an opponent has the courtesy of letting me know why they are pausing the game, then I normally won't un-pause it. But if the game randomly pauses during a critical moment, and my opponent doesn't say anything for a minute+, you can bet that I will un-pause the game.
On May 25 2011 23:52 karpo wrote: I unpause, maybe it's cause i enjoy trolling people. I go all in, i say that the race i'm playing is my offrace just to mess with people etc. I have fun doing it and it doesn't hurt anyone. It's kinda like ganking people in a MMO, it's part of the game and people will use it.
Nothing like being proud of acting like a jerk I guess. It's not part of the game. It's you being selfish and immature.
On May 25 2011 23:52 karpo wrote: I unpause, maybe it's cause i enjoy trolling people. I go all in, i say that the race i'm playing is my offrace just to mess with people etc. I have fun doing it and it doesn't hurt anyone. It's kinda like ganking people in a MMO, it's part of the game and people will use it.
as the guy above me said, you are immature. You are abusing features of a game that are meant to be helpful if things come up.
when someone says "brb" och "1 sec" i unpause, because thats just stupid.. most often i have very little time to spare, and when i ladder i dont want to sit for 5 minutes waiting, wasting my precious starcraft-time
if someone gave a legit reason "phone rings, 1 min" i would not unpause, but dont expect me to sit and wait given a flimsy message like "brb"
of course i always ignore phone calls etc during play, i would never pause, i am more likely to say "have to go, gg" than pause, even if its just something that takes 2-3min to fix
On May 25 2011 22:34 Gnax wrote: I would say I'm one of these so called "unpausers".
I couldn't care less about people who are too stupid not to play ladder when they are expecting phone calls or visitors. And if you have a baby and you're the only one in the house, maybe you shouldn't play ladder then either.
When someone calls me and I'm not waiting for an important call I just let it ring or throw away my headset and talk while playing.
You people are the assholes, thinking I would waste my time waiting for you and your special needs.
For the OP. The only time I let people pause the game is when they give me an ETA so I can tab out. Something along the lines of "pp 1 min".
Who says they are 'expecting' a phone call or someone ringing their door bell? Stuff happens, how hard for you is it to wait for 1-2 minutes?
If you want a 100% guarantee there will be no pauses you should play vs the AI.
Because I know that a lot of people take life way too serious and feel like they need to be available for anyone at any point or otherwise people won't like them anymore or something. Just let the phone ring people, and call them back.
And some people take their own life so seriously they think waiting for a minute is a huge commitment.
On May 25 2011 23:33 Alpina wrote: Yeah if you need to pause once in a 50 games and opponent unpauses then it's not a big deal, but if you pause every single game because you have 5 kids then it's your problem. Don't play the game if you can't have 20mins of free time.
Or someone can commit an absolutely minuscule amount of time into making some1 else's gaming experience a little better. Or are we all assholes....
I never unpause but i find it annoying when people do pause. If we have chatted abit before and he plays a straight up game i wouldn't mind. I've paused a few games, maybe about 10-20 since beta and i don't like doing it, i don't do it for the phone unless its something important. I don't like the idea of wasting someone elses time. It just seem like people don't understand that the person he's playing is actually forced to just sit there waiting and that messes with you aswell.
If you pause very often like you said, don't expect them all to come through. Alot of people don't wait for pauses and i understand them in a way.
Sometimes you are just going to run into that asshole who will unpause despite good reason. I was having comp problems during a match one time (up to this point I thought the guy was a good fellow), so I paused and immediately gave my reasoning and that it would only take a few seconds to fix. Right after that he unpaused, my comp was still not fixed as it hadn't been enough time to pause, so I paused again and pleaded with him. Needless to say he unpaused right away and we did this till I was out of pauses, my comp was still glitchy and I lost the game because he attacked right away.
Call me bad mannered, but if I'm you pause and you don't say anything, I wait like 10 seconds and if you don't give a reason, I unpause. I'll take a "hold on" or anything, but don't just pause.
On May 25 2011 22:34 Gnax wrote: I would say I'm one of these so called "unpausers".
I couldn't care less about people who are too stupid not to play ladder when they are expecting phone calls or visitors. And if you have a baby and you're the only one in the house, maybe you shouldn't play ladder then either.
When someone calls me and I'm not waiting for an important call I just let it ring or throw away my headset and talk while playing.
You people are the assholes, thinking I would waste my time waiting for you and your special needs.
For the OP. The only time I let people pause the game is when they give me an ETA so I can tab out. Something along the lines of "pp 1 min".
Who says they are 'expecting' a phone call or someone ringing their door bell? Stuff happens, how hard for you is it to wait for 1-2 minutes?
If you want a 100% guarantee there will be no pauses you should play vs the AI.
Because I know that a lot of people take life way too serious and feel like they need to be available for anyone at any point or otherwise people won't like them anymore or something. Just let the phone ring people, and call them back.
And some people take their own life so seriously they think waiting for a minute is a huge commitment.
On May 25 2011 23:33 Alpina wrote: Yeah if you need to pause once in a 50 games and opponent unpauses then it's not a big deal, but if you pause every single game because you have 5 kids then it's your problem. Don't play the game if you can't have 20mins of free time.
Or someone can commit an absolutely minuscule amount of time into making some1 else's gaming experience a little better. Or are we all assholes....
Time is money friend!!!! -Goblins
We're all dying, so no I won't waste a minute on some dickless kid who doesn't even have the decency to "ask." Hell i was playing a 3v3 the other night and they just randomly paused, so I immediately unpaused, they then proceed to start bming the fuck outta me and using their pauses up which i just immediately unpause, maybe you have time to waste, but I don't, my time is money and anytime that my shit fell apart, broke, phone rang etc, I just played with the handicap, asked for a re, and then fixed what ever I needed too.
oh ya edit- I'd love to point out the irony in his post,"People take their own lives too seriously!" Well aren't you taking that one game of starcraft pretty seriously? WHY SO SERIOUS?!?!?!?!
I've never had a problem after doing this. Though I guess you could pause then explain, though you might need to be a fast typist :D.
Also. I ladder because I want to win. But why would a want a win because my opponent couldn't play for part of the game. Seriously the win is just a number, but the feeling I get from actually beating someone else at this game is more satisfying.
On May 25 2011 22:34 Gnax wrote: I would say I'm one of these so called "unpausers".
I couldn't care less about people who are too stupid not to play ladder when they are expecting phone calls or visitors. And if you have a baby and you're the only one in the house, maybe you shouldn't play ladder then either.
When someone calls me and I'm not waiting for an important call I just let it ring or throw away my headset and talk while playing.
You people are the assholes, thinking I would waste my time waiting for you and your special needs.
For the OP. The only time I let people pause the game is when they give me an ETA so I can tab out. Something along the lines of "pp 1 min".
Who says they are 'expecting' a phone call or someone ringing their door bell? Stuff happens, how hard for you is it to wait for 1-2 minutes?
If you want a 100% guarantee there will be no pauses you should play vs the AI.
Because I know that a lot of people take life way too serious and feel like they need to be available for anyone at any point or otherwise people won't like them anymore or something. Just let the phone ring people, and call them back.
And some people take their own life so seriously they think waiting for a minute is a huge commitment.
On May 25 2011 23:33 Alpina wrote: Yeah if you need to pause once in a 50 games and opponent unpauses then it's not a big deal, but if you pause every single game because you have 5 kids then it's your problem. Don't play the game if you can't have 20mins of free time.
Or someone can commit an absolutely minuscule amount of time into making some1 else's gaming experience a little better. Or are we all assholes....
Time is money friend!!!! -Goblins
We're all dying, so no I won't waste a minute on some dickless kid who doesn't even have the decency to "ask." Hell i was playing a 3v3 the other night and they just randomly paused, so I immediately unpaused, they then proceed to start bming the fuck outta me and using their pauses up which i just immediately unpause, maybe you have time to waste, but I don't, my time is money and anytime that my shit fell apart, broke, phone rang etc, I just played with the handicap, asked for a re, and then fixed what ever I needed too.
oh ya edit- I'd love to point out the irony in his post,"People take their own lives too seriously!" Well aren't you taking that one game of starcraft pretty seriously? WHY SO SERIOUS?!?!?!?!
^this, just lose the game and move on to the next, there's absolutely no reason your real life has to interrupt me
sometimes pausing is needed, when it is, I'll quickly type 'ppp' in chat and then pause, give a quick reason why i need to pause followed by how long it will take.
So far I haven't had a problem, but I also think people get more manner about pausing as you go up in the leagues, simply because people know how it is to need to pause.
Anyone who unpauses without good reason just to get ahead in the game is amazingly bad BM (not talking about unpausing after 5 minutes when they said they'd be gone for 2, that's fine)
If you communicate something coherent right before or after you plan on pausing, I'm generally ok with waiting a minute or two. Anything longer than a couple of minutes and I unpause. If you pause without letting me know why, I'll immediately unpause.
5 minutes is the max i'll wait. but i'm generally ok with waiting it unless they did something like pause in the middle of a battle or me killing them. Although if it was a really good game i might wait longer.
There isn't much that could come up that would require more than a 5 minute pause.
We all play to win, but winning through skill is more important. Getting dc wins isn't very satisfying. Otherwise we'd all just go smurf bronze league games.
On May 25 2011 23:09 Keilah wrote: Well, here's one way to think about things:
I play Starcraft to have a fun and interesting game against challenging human opponents. I like to test myself and my ideas and my execution. And I like to see how things play out, for example, if I make a mistake at 6:00, will I be screwed at 7:00? If I micro well, will I win this battle, or is it hopeless? Let's find out! Now, sadly interrupting the fun, something in real life happens. I don't expect it, you don't know what it is, it just happened and it requires my attention. So, either I pause and you allow the pause, wasting 10-60s. Or I pause, you unpause, and I leave, wasting the entire length of time that we've already played. I mean, we went through 15:00 of a great game and soon enough we'll see the conclusion; you'd rather throw that away than wait a few seconds? When you think about it this way, the reason I'm pissed when you refuse to allow the pause, is that you're wasting my time and yours by choosing to ruin a perfectly good game rather than wait a few seconds. Not to mention I think you're a total no-class bum with no sense of sportsmanship or courtesy. I would never, ever unpause without at least asking for an explanation and waiting a bit, both because of common courtesy, and more importantly because I don't want to ruin the game for myself (or you). Do people really get more satisfaction from beating an afk person (ladder points, yay!) than they do from playing a good game?
tl;dr You ought to allow pauses because waiting for a pause is better than wasting the entire length of time the game has gone on so far.
This, all of this. The "don't pause just leave" argument is total nonsense because of what Keilah says here. Why would I throw away 15 minutes worth of game because I need to spend 30s-1minute answering the door? Why would my opponent want me to do the same?
You've already invested time into the current game. Why unpause and ruin 2, 3, 15 minutes or whatever for the sake of a brief break?
I envy those who have so little responsibilities that they don't have a brief IRL interruption now and then. Yes - I could leave the game, but for the sake of a 1 minute pause, I'd quite like to be able to continue the game I've already invested 10x that in, and I'd think and hope the opponent would too.
Unless you give me a damn good reason to pause before actually doing it, you bet your ass I'll be insta-unpausing. Crappy reasons like "my phone's ringing" don't cut it. Don't play if you can't handle giving someone a call back 5-10 minutes later. Taking a pee break doesn't cut it. Pee before you click start, or be a man and hold it in for 5-10 minutes. Especially don't pause it to "get a drink" or "get a snack". Absolutely unacceptable.
If your house is in danger of being set on fire, sure, explain it to me and pause.
On May 26 2011 02:21 FallDownMarigold wrote: Unless you give me a damn good reason to pause before actually doing it, you bet your ass I'll be insta-unpausing. Crappy reasons like "my phone's ringing" don't cut it. Don't play if you can't handle giving someone a call back 5-10 minutes later. Taking a pee break doesn't cut it. Pee before you click start, or be a man and hold it in for 5-10 minutes. Especially don't pause it to "get a drink" or "get a snack". Absolutely unacceptable.
If your house is in danger of being set on fire, sure, explain it to me and pause.
I'll sign this.
If you start a game you have the spare time to finish it. If something important comes up, go fix it. but don't expect me to wait while you do your laundry or call your boss. Just GG and leave, don't pause.
I snap unpause no matter what. It's my prerogative and I don't think I have ever paused in a game. I'll be honest, if I think it will give me a slight edge to win the game, that is even more incentive.
It would be cool if blizzard implemented a 10-15 second grace pause period so your opponent can't un-pause for that long, but only in 1v1s. (a majority of 4v4 players would just abuse it.)
haha it sucks because im always gm when people pause, but they are douches when i pause. i remember one game where this guy unpaused and said deal with it so i pulled my probes and units and 1a'd to his base then left. when i came back i had victory :D
A few days ago I was getting spammed by a guy in at the very start of a ladder game. It was extremely distracting and he had been spamming me from 2 different accounts for 10 minutes. In the ladder game I paused the game to block him and before I could even type a letter my opponant unpauses it. So I paused it again and the guy goes "no pauses" and promptly leaves the game 3 minutes in. I never understood why the guy couldn't just let the game be paused for 20 seconds. This is the only time thats ever happed to me, people are usually pretty good about it.
I've had to pause a number of times, and nobody has ever been obnoxious about it. I've always asked before doing it and people have been fine with it. Personally, I usually give people several minutes of pause time as long as they say something.
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
I'm exactly the same and if they don't ask or tell me why I will unpause immediately because pausing without saying anything is really, really BM to me as I've set aside other matters in order to enjoy the game. If they're so busy with other things like answering the door, phone, their mom then maybe they shouldn't be playing in the first place.
On May 26 2011 02:21 FallDownMarigold wrote: Crappy reasons like "my phone's ringing" don't cut it. If your house is in danger of being set on fire, sure, explain it to me and pause.
Read what I said before, I dc when my phone rings more than twice. How do you expect people to explain their exact situation in life that fast? Before you unpause and take a heavy lead...
On May 25 2011 23:31 bramapanzer wrote: I don't even know why they have a pause option in this game. If you're playing CoD, you can't pause the game. If you're playing Soccer, you can't pause the game. Even in sports where you can pause, there is a time limit to the Time-Out.
Blizzard implemented the pause feature the way they did for a reason. It is completely up to the opponent regarding length of pause. I would prefer them getting rid of pauses completely so this is a non issue. If you are doing other shit while laddering (which some people take VERY VERY seriously) don't be upset that the other shit loses you a game here and there.
Personally, I'll wait for a pause UNLESS they pause in the first min or two of game. I find that very BM. Seriously, why queue up a game if you have to go afk in the first minute? F-That, I'm unpausing.
Starcraft is a game where you can become behind for simply doing nothing for an extremely short time.
On May 26 2011 03:10 JLew wrote: I snap unpause no matter what. It's my prerogative and I don't think I have ever paused in a game. I'll be honest, if I think it will give me a slight edge to win the game, that is even more incentive.
you talk like a cheeser. I despise your type of personality. your only real argument for why you do it is "I want to win" instead of the much more worthwhile goal of "I want to get better so I can win more later".
On May 26 2011 02:21 FallDownMarigold wrote: Unless you give me a damn good reason to pause before actually doing it, you bet your ass I'll be insta-unpausing. Crappy reasons like "my phone's ringing" don't cut it. Don't play if you can't handle giving someone a call back 5-10 minutes later. Taking a pee break doesn't cut it. Pee before you click start, or be a man and hold it in for 5-10 minutes. Especially don't pause it to "get a drink" or "get a snack". Absolutely unacceptable.
If your house is in danger of being set on fire, sure, explain it to me and pause.
I'll sign this.
If you start a game you have the spare time to finish it. If something important comes up, go fix it. but don't expect me to wait while you do your laundry or call your boss. Just GG and leave, don't pause.
my opinion: get a snack: not ok, do it beforehand or not at all. get a drink: same go pee: same do laundry: same call boss: same answer phone: this is an unexpected occurrence that cannot be predicted or apprehended, also likely to be important, also won't take long, this is ok to pause for. answer door: same
On May 26 2011 03:14 holynorth wrote: I have to agree with the people who unpause. It isn't your job to wait for them. You committed your time they should do the same.
"you committed your time they should do the same"
cool, lets apply this logic elsewhere!
"I cut of your left hand, you cut of mine, oh wait! I was born without one! I guess you will lose your hand but I won't! fair trade right?"
"we should pay the same amount of taxes, but wait, your income is a fifth of mine! LOL not my problem!"
"I as zerg didn't build any army units for 20 minutes, you as terran should show me the curtesy to do the same."
"Hey! you killed 40 of my workers, thats not fair because you didn't invest 40 workers into that attack!"
see where I am going? your post strike me as extremely ignorant and inconsiderate in that you do not take into account the opponents circumstances. sorry, the world is not perfectly fair, it never were and never will be, but we can do the best of the situation and not be douchebags.
Proper pause manners: say "pp" and then pause it. Give a quick explanation if you can. And if you're going to take more than 1-2 minutes, your opponent has the right to unpause it and beat you. In fact, if you know it'll be longer (like you pick up the phone and it's not someone you can call back later) then you should just leave the game rather than force them to wait for you or sacrifice their ladder points.
You should make some effort to avoid situations where you need to pause, e.g. for a bathroom break. Unless the game has been going on 30+ minutes, there's no excuse for that. You should've gone before you queued up for the game.
If someone pauses without explanation, then it's a reasonable courtesy to wait 30 seconds to a minute before unpausing it. If you ask for an explanation and they give it within that time, you can decide how much longer to wait.
The bottom line is, people need to know how much of their time they're committing to waiting for you to unpause.
If you have to pause, you should just expect to lose the game imo. I ask every time it happens (it isn't often), but 9 times out of 10 the doucher unpauses and kills me.
The flipside to this is of course the pause trolls who try to trick you into somehow losing or doing something wrong by pausing at shitty times.
On May 26 2011 03:18 salidsnake wrote: A few days ago I was getting spammed by a guy in at the very start of a ladder game. It was extremely distracting and he had been spamming me from 2 different accounts for 10 minutes. In the ladder game I paused the game to block him and before I could even type a letter my opponant unpauses it. So I paused it again and the guy goes "no pauses" and promptly leaves the game 3 minutes in. I never understood why the guy couldn't just let the game be paused for 20 seconds. This is the only time thats ever happed to me, people are usually pretty good about it.
Sounds like you didn't explain anything before or after the pause. Like most people in this thread have been saying, they're okay if you pause it as long as you give a reason and how long it will take. In your case, you could've just as easily blocked the person without pausing and not have been that far behind.
On May 26 2011 02:21 FallDownMarigold wrote: Crappy reasons like "my phone's ringing" don't cut it. If your house is in danger of being set on fire, sure, explain it to me and pause.
Read what I said before, I dc when my phone rings more than twice. How do you expect people to explain their exact situation in life that fast? Before you unpause and take a heavy lead...
Hit enter, "phone brb", enter again, then pause. If you DC if it rings more than twice, I can assume your phone is close and nearby. Might as well get up and run to the phone and then run back to the computer cause the guy will probably unpause or have your phone within reaching distance where you don't have to get up. It's not your opponent's fault that you DC if your phone rings twice, and it is something you could probably get fixed
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
Now that's commitment.
Not really. I do the exact same as this guy. Why would I want to ladder if I am expecting an interruption? That makes no sense imo.
It is ladder. I'm not worried that much about my manner or the strictness of honoring pauses. I'm trying to either mass games for practice or relax, and waiting 3 minutes for somebody to talk to his mom about doing his homework isn't in my plans.
If somebody has been polite all game and asks for a pause at a reasonable time, they get it. If somebody has been a douche, waits for a big battle/micro intense moment, or doesn't ask - I unpause until they run out.
On May 25 2011 15:27 heyoka wrote: I always give people the benefit of the doubt for a few minutes if they give a reason.
If they give a reason i don't mind the pause. Also i hate it when i do give them a pause and they take for ever. Also pausing in the middle of an attack i find is stupid and will un-pause.
EDIT: But really people need to learn this is just a game and if RL calls be willing to take a loss. Its just a game. Crying about un-pauses to me also sounds a little silly, but thats my opinion.
On May 26 2011 03:18 salidsnake wrote: A few days ago I was getting spammed by a guy in at the very start of a ladder game. It was extremely distracting and he had been spamming me from 2 different accounts for 10 minutes. In the ladder game I paused the game to block him and before I could even type a letter my opponant unpauses it. So I paused it again and the guy goes "no pauses" and promptly leaves the game 3 minutes in. I never understood why the guy couldn't just let the game be paused for 20 seconds. This is the only time thats ever happed to me, people are usually pretty good about it.
Sounds like you didn't explain anything before or after the pause. Like most people in this thread have been saying, they're okay if you pause it as long as you give a reason and how long it will take. In your case, you could've just as easily blocked the person without pausing and not have been that far behind.
On May 26 2011 02:21 FallDownMarigold wrote: Crappy reasons like "my phone's ringing" don't cut it. If your house is in danger of being set on fire, sure, explain it to me and pause.
Read what I said before, I dc when my phone rings more than twice. How do you expect people to explain their exact situation in life that fast? Before you unpause and take a heavy lead...
Hit enter, "phone brb", enter again, then pause. If you DC if it rings more than twice, I can assume your phone is close and nearby. Might as well get up and run to the phone and then run back to the computer cause the guy will probably unpause or have your phone within reaching distance where you don't have to get up. It's not your opponent's fault that you DC if your phone rings twice, and it is something you could probably get fixed
I was just referring to what the guy I quoted said. Most people do allow me the time though, so I don't have many problems if i say why.
On May 25 2011 15:26 Benjilol wrote: I never get into a situation where I need to pause in a ladder game. If I get a phonecall, I ignore it and call back after the game, If I am expecting visitors I will not ladder (and i'll ignore the door if I am not expecting people), although I cannot comment on having a child cry as I do not have one.
Random pauses are annoying and can throw people off their game. I am not one to unpause, but I do find it rude in that I can set aside some time to get my IRL stuff sorted for a session of ladder games, and my opponant doesn't have the foresight to do the same.
Much respect for you man.
I'll let them pause if they ask, they have polite manners (I've had to deal with too many grief pauses), and they declare the time they need. Remember, those 60 seconds where the opponent is answering a door/phone, we're sitting there.... staring at a computer screen.... spamming the last hotkey we were pressing. Not pleasant on the mind when you're trying to get in the moment.
I agree with the OP. The very little you say early on in chat is all the other person has to go by (apart from your play itself) and if you seem decent enough, they'll probably cut you some slack. Barring a single one of those brilliant pause, say 'gg,' then type in chat that you've left the game deals, I've never unpaused before the other person says they're ready, nor has anyone ever unpaused on me. Including an instance that took me out of the room for what I thought would only be a few seconds, and turned out to be more than five minutes (wound up coming back and just giving him the free ladder points for the time I had wasted - though as noted above, perhaps that's not an ideal solution either).
Guess it's much like the "real world"; conduct yourself with decency and most people, at least, will act decently toward you..
On May 25 2011 23:33 Alpina wrote: Yeah if you need to pause once in a 50 games and opponent unpauses then it's not a big deal, but if you pause every single game because you have 5 kids then it's your problem. Don't play the game if you can't have 20mins of free time.
Or someone can commit an absolutely minuscule amount of time into making some1 else's gaming experience a little better. Or are we all assholes....
Yes, that is why we are against pausing. You commit an absolutely minuscule amount of time, like ~15 minutes.
If you don't have the time for a ladder game, play a custom game or play with a friend where it is fine to pause. The other party might not have time for the game if you keep pausing.
On May 25 2011 23:33 Alpina wrote: Yeah if you need to pause once in a 50 games and opponent unpauses then it's not a big deal, but if you pause every single game because you have 5 kids then it's your problem. Don't play the game if you can't have 20mins of free time.
Or someone can commit an absolutely minuscule amount of time into making some1 else's gaming experience a little better. Or are we all assholes....
Yes, that is why we are against pausing. You commit an absolutely minuscule amount of time, like ~15 minutes.
If you don't have the time for a ladder game, play a custom game or play with a friend where it is fine to pause. The other party might not have time for the game if you keep pausing.
Youre grouping two types if people together who really shouldnt be grouped together for the sake of this argument, which makes your post kinda stupid.
Yes, if someone pauses without asking or makes you wait 5 minutes then he should gtfo. But what about someone who literally needs 20 seconds. Ive unhooked my mouse by accident and asked for a pause, then resumed the game in less than 10 seconds. It was a nice gesture by the other guy to wait for me. Cost him absolutely nothing, and allowed us to keep playing and enjoying the game. I doubt that right now hes mourning the loss of 10 seconds.
Is someone wasting your time by making you wait 5 minutes? Yes, absolutely, go unpause the game. Is someone wasting your time by makinh you wait 15 seconds? No. Saying youre too busy to spare 15 seconds, yet laddering on sv2 , is bullshit. Imo people that do are either assholes, narcissists, or just desperate for points.
If i pause i dont care at all about my points, but i do try to enjoy the game and from that sense id rather continue a game ive put time, effort, and thought into. Most opponents would feel the same way and not mind waiting a quarter pr a minute, unless theyre the type described above
Pausing = bm. If you have to go do things for 1-5 mins, just leave the game. I ladder to play, not to sit around and waste my time waiting for you to do non-Starcraft related activities.
It's like "hey I'm driving on the freeway at 70 miles an hour. But wait, I've got a phone call. Let's stop my car and answer the phone while 50 cars pile up behind me. What's the big deal? Why couldn't they just wait patiently for me to do my thing? My ladder points and time-to-do-stuff-while-paused is important! Their time is not?"
i would just explain brb really fast. if its over 5-10 minutes you should just leave the game, as that is pretty annoying.
personally i've only gotted 'paused' on by like 2 people and it was pretty fast.
i guess there isn't anything you can do about someone who just unpauses the game and owns you, but if they enjoy winning against someone who isn't even playing then its on them.
If they say pp or something first I'll be agreeable about it, if they just pause without saying anything though and are gone for more than 10 seconds I'm not going to waste my time.
If you say PP which means pause please and then you maybe give one line to explain... door/phone/etc. most people will be happy to let you pause. Just say something first so they don't think you are a douche.
Pause w/ explanation is acceptable, provided it's just a short interruption couple minutes max. After that, I'm going to resume because whatever it is it's taking too long and you should have just left the game. Pause w/o an explanation and I'll give you enough time that you should have been able to get something out about why you paused then resume it.
Just because pause feature is implemented on ladder, it doesn't give you the right to pause without any consent. Even if you met people that would un-pause after given your explanation, you just have to live with it. By implementing minimum pause duration would just create more troubles.
Personally I would accept any pause with or without explanation, unless we are in a middle of a battle. I never requested the pause myself, if there was phone ringing I would just call back later with the caller ID.
It's kind of a shame that so many people assume that people are pausing for stupid reasons like having to pee or talking to their girlfriend. I only pause when I either can't play (battery died, keyboard came unplugged), or something really important and unexpected comes up (a bee stings my son and he comes crying to me, I need a moment to calm him and walk him over to his mom to ask her to take care of him). I don't pause for stupid reasons, and I expect that when other people pause, it's not for a stupid reason.
If they just unpause then I just leave. Ladder isn't serious business at any level. Most of the time (2/3 times I've had to do it) the person messaged me that they felt bad for doing it.
On May 25 2011 16:11 probob wrote: I always wait when someone pauses and expect so from my opponents. I always though ppl who unpause are around the age of 12.
Hahahahaha, me too. I never really understood why someone took their own ladder time SO seriously that they can't just chill for 10-20 secs while you take care of something.
"BUT OMFG, MY TIME TOO, SO DAMN VALUABLE, DON'T LADDER THEN." Be realistic and grow up. Some of us have lots of things going on. If my dog implies that he needs to piss, you better believe that I'd rather you chill for the 20 secs it takes me to let him out than have to clean that up. If I just spilled my beer, I'm not playing with that all over the front of me.
If your time is as valuable as you claim go play some game where you don't have to worry about other people wasting it at all. Like Solitaire.
I guess you've never dealt with troll pausers then? There are many times on ladder, where I'll be winning a game, and the opponent will pause without explanation, just to try to annoy me. I don't see anything that could be so urgent, you couldn't take the time to write "brb 1 min" or something like that, to let me know that you are in fact leaving your computer and are coming back, not just being juvenile.
Sure. But they only got 3 pauses and what's the big deal?
Also, everyone is assuming I'm just gonna pause and walk away. brb or one sec is pretty much a given I'd assumed, but apparently not.
On May 25 2011 22:18 sereniity wrote: For some reason I can't chat when the game is paused, atleast not when I've paused it, it's really annoying because I can't ask if my opponent is ready after I'm back -.-. any ideas what the problem might be? I always feel so BM when I have to unpause and then ask if he's ready lol....
I think you have to exit the menu first after pausing, after which you can chat normally. This will not unpause the game. btw, you can also pause and unpause with the 'pause' button on your keybord.
General manner rule: ask first, and make sure they are ready before restarting.
I had a phone call from my landlord the other day during a ladder game (I usually just check who is calling and ignore if its not something important) but I had been waiting on this call all day. I asked pp before I paused and explained what was up while I answered the phone, apologized when I was done (took about 2 min) and asked if he was ready.
On May 26 2011 03:14 holynorth wrote: I have to agree with the people who unpause. It isn't your job to wait for them. You committed your time they should do the same.
Improving odds? How about being nice and polite to people when asking them to freaking wait for you? Acknowledging that they're giving up their time for a total stranger should be enough to at least think of it differently than just "improving odds"; that honestly seems extremely rude and unreflected.
Besides, if Im ahead, why would I want to let my opponent pause and let him regain mental stamina and possibly come op with a new plan? It changes the balance the game in such situation.
At the end of the day, rude people are gonna be rude, and no matter how much you chat them up they still will unpause if they're one of those people. You just need to take it in stride, and remember that alot of people will give you a pause provided you ask first.
Ask them first, just say, 'pause 10 secs please?' and wait for a 'kk' before you pause.
Whenever someone pauses randomly, i snap hit the unpause button. If they ask first, then I let them pause it for up to 5 mins.
Also, I'd suggest letting other people pause. If you let them pause, say 'sure thing, so long as you do it for the next person that asks'. There isn't a person on earth who can play without 100% ever needing a pause, and if you pass that on, then everyone will let everyone pause (eventually :} )
This is so simple yet so effective, i dont mind a slight pause if its a good game, but you should really ask about it first, there are so many people that will pause and then not write anything. Should we just proceed with waiting without knowing what has happend? I believe its BM to pause and not say anything
Exactly, if someone pauses and doesn't say anything before or after 5 seconds I unpause. Just a "sec please" is more than enough.
I'm surprised this thread went 15 pages long. No offense but really?
Wouldn't you just pp and pause? If the guy isn't willing to then too bad? It's only one game of the many that you'll be playing and if you lose, so be it.
The way I see it is you definitely don't have to let a person pause more than a few seconds. If the other person doesn't want to pause too bad its online game make sure you have time to play one or just back out.
I would usually only wait a couple minutes and then I unpause, Its not my-concern what my opponent is doing and its not my responsibility to wait for him to finish whatever he is doing.
I'm against pausing except in extreme cases. I never unpause b/c that is worse... but I hate pausers. If they explain what's up first, I can stomach it, but without that I am going to be annoyed. Why? I take the game seriously, and it seems pausers do not. I get the impression some people pause every other game. That is ridiculous.
I'm just going to take your examples:
the phone or the doorbell will ring, a. They can leave a message if it's the phone. If it's critical, you need to quit out and get to the critical phone call. b. If it is unexpected company, they should have showed up unexpected. If they are there to occupy your time, you should quit out and give up b/c you can't play properly after they come in anyway.
the baby will cry, a. OK, I have kids and I know there is no way around this. Sometimes you are taking a break from the kids and the kids suddenly freak out or whatever. I can't complain, because there is nothing you can do about this. Kids = chaos.
my mouse battery will suddenly die, etc etc. a. Never use a wireless mouse for gaming. #1 reaons, the battery may die.
But naturally, I'd rather more ppl play and pause than not play... so do what you must. But you'll just have to accept that pausing ruins the game for some people, and they will only tolerate so much.
IMO, if someone pauses, regardless of the reason and how they explained it, you should not be expected to wait. If you pause, then something in your life that matters is happening, and you shouldn't rush through it just so you can get back to the game. Seriously, it's only a loss. However, if the other person is really nice, then that's great and all. I just really don't see how waiting through pauses should be common courtesy, it's more of a thing friends (or just really nice people) do.
If it's a ladder game I autounpause no matter how good your excuse is because time is precious. If it's a custom game then I have no problems with the other player pausing as long as we're on friendly terms.
EPT
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