I hope people won't muck up this thread with their balance "discussion" though.
indeed, god forbid some people actually think for themselves and vent their opinions on public forums.
Engaging in balance discussion makes you a great thinker, who'd have known.
However, your usage of the word "vent" is quite appropriate. Thats exactly what balance discussion tends to be, biased people venting their frustration. Which is just one of the reason why its frowned upon in this forum.
On July 31 2011 02:10 Moochlol wrote: Kept thinkin' I could never live without you by my side!
Edit; Death to CombatEZ, long live ESPORTS!
its CombatEX and he is a long time broodwar player and well known veteran of the sc scene how can you say something that terrible?
EZ, Because hes a waste of life...bone and flesh. To the trash compactor with him.
how can you talk in that manner about a fellow human being. i am disgusted
Prob because that's the way he talks to just about everyone. Just hit him up on a 1v1 ladder match, and watch him BM the shit out of you. Happen to me like 5 times
The problem with Protoss is that their units simply dont live up to their cost both in terms of resources and time invested in tech. DT vs Banshee is a good example. If we compare protoss to terran, most terran units have a very clear and effective purpose, and the same thing cant be said about protoss.
lets take a look at some basic terran units:
Hellions: super effectivley counters light units. Fast. very cheap Marauders. super effectivley counters armored ground units. fast and mobile. very cost effective Marines: Super effectibley counters Air units. Extremley cost effective. Works great in large numbers Ghosts: hard counter spell casters, removes sheilds and snipes key units Vikings: Can be produced fast and kills most air units Tanks: Long range anti ground-armor AoE
Except for the colossus, most protoss are more situational/gimmicky and dont hard counter specific types of units.
On August 10 2011 09:43 Philip2110 wrote: I wish IdrA would actually think about how much of a hypocrite he sounds like. Its like he has the memory of a goldfish and is just lashing out at the units or race he decides is currently annoying him.
Eh... Protoss are doing terrible in Korea and incontrol tried to use that as an argument that Infesters are overpowered.
When in fact, it's mostly Terrans who are slaughtering every korean protoss.
Only NesTea and Losira have really scary ZvPs right now, and they DON'T use infesters usually.
Only them? You clearly don't watch much GSL.
Coca is pretty good vs P too, but he's not that infestor centric either though I do remember him throwing a few into his unit comp. Nothing like mass ling/infestor or infestor/roach though. Korean Zerg's don't use infestors half as much as foreign zergs do.
I hope people won't muck up this thread with their balance "discussion" though.
indeed, god forbid some people actually think for themselves and vent their opinions on public forums.
Engaging in balance discussion makes you a great thinker, who'd have known.
However, your usage of the word "vent" is quite appropriate. Thats exactly what balance discussion tends to be, biased people venting their frustration. Which is just one of the reason why its frowned upon in this forum.
Venting stuff is completley natural and therefor shouldnt be frowned upon. Its better to get stuff out of your head so you can forget about it and focus on other stuff than keeping stuff inside and let it build up. Drop the macho/elitist attitude. Just because you dont vent your frustrations with a specific problem on the internet doesnt mean you are a better, smarter or more mature person.
Do you look down on big company CEOs that talks to shrinks to vent their stress and frustration too?
Does anyone else find it startling how Terran is nearly making the Protoss race extinct in Korea and all Protoss players do is complain about Zerg. The same can be said for Zerg. Terran players don't even make ghosts vs Z because they win most of their games with 70 marines, 10 tanks and 5 medivacs. Terran has so called useless units (the reaper and the raven) which the other races would kill for. Imagine zerg with reaper, they would never die to a 2 base all in ever again.
Incontrol doesn't seem at all worried about the 1-1-1, saying its a metagame thing to beat 1 gate expanders. Erm, nooooooooo. Most people agree that 1 gate expand is perhaps the best build against this all in, and that 3 gate robo with no expo will result in the Protoss not having enough units. Hardly makes 1-1-1 a joke (quite the opposite).
I think all this comes from the foreign scene's complete lack of good Terran players, its just not comparable to Korea. People like Naniwa, Tyler, Idra, Ret, all point their vT matchups to be their best, and against the competition they face, its hard to disagree with them. But none of them have beaten a Korean Terran in a set and if they are content with arguing about Z/P respectively, then so be it. Protoss will leave the GSL, and there will be a few Zergs such as Nestea and Losira who will stay in Code S. The rest will be Terran, watching over the battlefield that is the Protoss and Zerg players arguing over the balance of infestors.
I hope people won't muck up this thread with their balance "discussion" though.
indeed, god forbid some people actually think for themselves and vent their opinions on public forums.
Engaging in balance discussion makes you a great thinker, who'd have known.
However, your usage of the word "vent" is quite appropriate. Thats exactly what balance discussion tends to be, biased people venting their frustration. Which is just one of the reason why its frowned upon in this forum.
Venting stuff is completley natural and therefor shouldnt be frowned upon. Its better to get stuff out of your head so you can forget about it and focus on other stuff than keeping stuff inside and let it build up. Drop the macho/elitist attitude. Just because you dont vent your frustrations with a specific problem on the internet doesnt mean you are a better, smarter or more mature person.
Do you look down on big company CEOs that talks to shrinks to vent their stress and frustration too?
Is your only outlet for venting the "Inside the Game"-thread on Team Liquid?
I didn't even comment whether venting is natural or not, I just asked people not to do it here, because it clearly is not the place for it. Forums like the b.net forums will gladly accept your verbal diarrhea, go there and go nuts.
To expand on this, and in particular the iNcontroL vs IdrA debate. I iNcontroL's main fustration is that when IdrA was bitching about Protoss being OP and in particular the death ball - instead of coming up with something creative or different, he would just continously bitch and shout imbalance. And now that the converse is true, instead of bitching, iNcontroL is calling for Protoss to come up with better ideas, and IdrA is just calling Protoss players stupid and allinish. Seriously? Talk about double standards. I am an IdrA fan but I wish he would grow up a bit sometimes. The protoss players are some of the cleverest and most creative.
IdrA also complains about late game. I think Zerg have one of the BEST late games. Ever heard of Broodlord Infestor mate? You can demolish a 200 Protoss army even if you are 120 food.
Also just a quick examination of the ghost: Cost: Ghost - 200min 100gas Infester - 100min 150 gas HT - 100min 150 gas Why is the ghost the only one that costs less gas?
Abilities EMP - RANGE 10, drains 100 shield INSTANTLY, drains 100 energy, decloaks units, 75 energy. Fungal - Range 9, 38ish damage garenteed, decloaks units, snares, 75 energy. Storm - Range 9, 80 damange max, doesn't decloak units, 75 energy. Snipe - RANGE 10; Neural - Range 9; Feedback - Range 9 Why does the ghost have extra range on all its abilities?! They took away the amulet, so HT is the only caster that can't cast the 2nd tier spell straight away. Storm is actually the worst of the 3 abilities IMO as it is. On top of this the other abilities of the casters are much better (cloak, snipe and fungal, burrow, infested terran).
Helllions are insanely good, do huge damage for minimal investment. Baneling and infestor drops are insanely good.
It is way way too early to start shouting imbalance, but I wish the IdrA stop moaning constantly about everything.
On August 10 2011 10:18 AustinCM wrote: I feel bad for Protoss players having only 1 Korean Hero, I hope other players can step up to MC level. NesTea, Losira and DRG are amazing.
Yeah definitely. While IdrA spent the last 4 months complaining, NesTea, July, Losira, DRG were playing the game, thinking and getting better. And now look where they are.
On August 10 2011 10:18 AustinCM wrote: I feel bad for Protoss players having only 1 Korean Hero, I hope other players can step up to MC level. NesTea, Losira and DRG are amazing.
Yeah definitely. While IdrA spent the last 4 months complaining, NesTea, July, Losira, DRG were playing the game, thinking and getting better. And now look where they are.
Yeah because you know, IdrA is a complaining profesionnal. It's not like he plays and try to figure ways to win and improve for like 8 hours everyday against the best in the world.
On August 10 2011 10:18 AustinCM wrote: I feel bad for Protoss players having only 1 Korean Hero, I hope other players can step up to MC level. NesTea, Losira and DRG are amazing.
Yeah definitely. While IdrA spent the last 4 months complaining, NesTea, July, Losira, DRG were playing the game, thinking and getting better. And now look where they are.
As much as Idra likes to complain about the game, he has clearly showed huge improvements against Protoss as shown in his TLPD (his vP is nearly at the same %age as vT).
I hope people won't muck up this thread with their balance "discussion" though.
indeed, god forbid some people actually think for themselves and vent their opinions on public forums.
Engaging in balance discussion makes you a great thinker, who'd have known.
However, your usage of the word "vent" is quite appropriate. Thats exactly what balance discussion tends to be, biased people venting their frustration. Which is just one of the reason why its frowned upon in this forum.
Venting stuff is completley natural and therefor shouldnt be frowned upon. Its better to get stuff out of your head so you can forget about it and focus on other stuff than keeping stuff inside and let it build up. Drop the macho/elitist attitude. Just because you dont vent your frustrations with a specific problem on the internet doesnt mean you are a better, smarter or more mature person.
Do you look down on big company CEOs that talks to shrinks to vent their stress and frustration too?
Is your only outlet for venting the "Inside the Game"-thread on Team Liquid?
I didn't even comment whether venting is natural or not, I just asked people not to do it here, because it clearly is not the place for it. Forums like the b.net forums will gladly accept your verbal diarrhea, go there and go nuts.
1. Is it really that obscene of us to follow the balance discussion that started on tonights Inside the game, in the thread dedicated to the Inside the game podcast? or does this thread exist ONLY for people to make "tonight show was awesome, thanks"-posts? those kind of posts, if anything, are pointless.
2. People dont accept balance whine on the Battle-net forums. ive read a couple of those threads and 90% of the replies are "l2p stop QQing". Prejudice much?
On August 10 2011 10:18 AustinCM wrote: I feel bad for Protoss players having only 1 Korean Hero, I hope other players can step up to MC level. NesTea, Losira and DRG are amazing.
Yeah definitely. While IdrA spent the last 4 months complaining, NesTea, July, Losira, DRG were playing the game, thinking and getting better. And now look where they are.
Yeah because you know, IdrA is a complaining profesionnal. It's not like he plays and try to figure ways to win and improve for like 8 hours everyday against the best in the world.
Idra admitted to only playing like 3 hours a day since leaving korea. Now that might have changed with the team house, but those were his hours said previously on an episode of ITG.
On August 10 2011 10:18 AustinCM wrote: I feel bad for Protoss players having only 1 Korean Hero, I hope other players can step up to MC level. NesTea, Losira and DRG are amazing.
Yeah definitely. While IdrA spent the last 4 months complaining, NesTea, July, Losira, DRG were playing the game, thinking and getting better. And now look where they are.
As much as Idra likes to complain about the game, he has clearly showed huge improvements against Protoss as shown in his TLPD (his vP is nearly at the same %age as vT).
Yeah no I agree. I am an IdrA fan, so don't want to bash him too much. But he should focus on looking for solutions instead of complaining about the game. I dont' think Zerg have been buffed that much in the last 4 months, but they are now dominating because they have figured something out and are ahead atm, doesn't mean they will stay there, doesn't mean we need to patch the game.
I actually don't know what Idra is talking.about. Most games in gsl recently where protoss tried to turtle, they lost. Even Mc losing to I think it was bongbong in gstl where he used broodlords with queen support very effectivly. Maybe Idra can't handle the protoss deathball but the times are certainly gone were all zergs had huge problems against it.
On August 10 2011 09:06 Miraju wrote: make helion cost 25 gas case closed .
So I can lose my entire mineral line for 400 minerals 100 gas instead of 400 minerals?
It doesn't change the fact they are just far to easy to control for the damage they can produce.
I'd say reduce hellions in a medivac to 2 and reduce the range of the line of fire by 1 or so.
how bout you look for a solution instead of a blizzard handout?
How about you tell this to IdrA. And don't pretend that the BFH is insanely good.
Why do you bitch about idra so much?
You obviously think low of his opinion, so ignore it, stop "counter-bitching".
His arguments in no way effect you as a player.
Yeah sorry I don't mean to come down too hard on him. But there's a small Legion of IdrA Zerg fans that take his word as gospel and just scream at me every time I beat one.
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