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EtohEtoh
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada669 Posts
October 26 2012 00:16 GMT
#7161
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?


they've redesigned the UI more than once, they've redesigned it many times during WoL even.


Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 26 2012 00:16 GMT
#7162
On October 26 2012 08:55 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 08:41 IdrA wrote:
rofl
you think blizzard gives a shit about destiny or the root idiots?

Yes. They released mockups of a new UI, clearly as a direct reaction to the complaints. Recently they have released information about some lame XP system, again probably motivated by the complaints.

Generating negative publicity works. It has been shown to work. The trick is keeping the negative publicity snowballing until they make serious changes instead of just releasing UI mockups to try and placate people.

Of course, you don't want it to snowball as you have financial interests to think of. That is why you are attacking the people responsible for the negative publicity. I understand completely and don't blame you for it at all.


You a idiot of you believe that Blizzard released those because of Destiny and the Root "team". Blizzard is multi million dollar company and no one like Destiny is going to motivate them to do anything. Those are not mock ups of the UI, from all reports from people on SotG, those changes are coming to the beta very soon. Considering that programmer would have had to work on those changes for MONTHS before they would release them.

The TL and competitive gamer community often forgets that we are a very very small section of the people who bought WoL. I have 20 friends who all own the game. Out of that 20, only two of us have ever played a 1v1 ladder match.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
October 26 2012 00:17 GMT
#7163
On October 26 2012 07:20 5ukkub wrote:
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On October 26 2012 06:26 IdrA wrote:
On October 26 2012 05:31 bokeevboke wrote:
On October 26 2012 05:02 CiCeRoSC2 wrote:
On October 26 2012 04:51 bokeevboke wrote:
My take on this:

IdrA and Incontrol like things the way they are. I assume they got decent paycheks, therefore they don't want anything to 'change'. I mean they don't wanna whole community going nuts and disbalance the scene, which might end their perfect progamer life in EG-house. I don't blame them, maybe they are a bit selfish. But any of us would do the same.

The problem is that if you look outside EG house you see pretty dim picture of sc world. Teams are disbanding, players not getting paid to go tournament and casuals leaving sc2.

I think djWheat truly believes that starcraft needs to be hardcore. His best example is American Idol (LoL) vs Breaking bad (SC2). Which is kinda fair point. But it has a flaw in it.
Those are TV shows, anybody has easy access to them, and people who are likely to like Breaking bad may randomly stumble upon it and start watching.

But how a random guy (who presumably gonna like watching starcraft) get into watching starcraft? SC2 is not broadcasted on TV, game is not easily accessible, even if he gets a chance to play it, it will be very difficult and kinda not fun.

Most of current SC community are from bw era. But they are not forever. They'll get old and have families, then just move on.


I think Destiny has fair point. We need to attract casual gamers in order sustain viewership. Its the only way to get people into watching competitive SC2.


This is completely inaccurate. You could not possibly be more wrong about IdrA and Incontrol not wanting "change". If you've listened to anything that IdrA or iNcontroL have said for years, you would know that they aren't happy with Blizzard. IdrA goes on and on about how the game is trash. They are not ok with the status quo, but after over two years of complaining, they've given up on trying to get Blizzard to change the game, and would rather focus their energy on things they can do, like run tournaments, create youtube videos, and attract sponsors. They go on and on about how teams and tournaments can do more to improve Pro SC2.

The American Idol v. Breaking Bad comparison was in reference to advertising. He was simply trying to show that shows with lower viewership can still be successful. You don't need to have a huge broad audience in order to be a good quality program that can sustain itself. Just because you aren't #1 doesn't mean that you can't be successful.

Most of the current SC2 community did not come from the people who watched pro BW. I don't think you realize how tiny the non-korean BW scene was.

Destiny isn't wrong that bringing more casual gamers into SC2 would help the scene. Absolutely nobody is arguing with that. He's just wrong that the scene will fall apart unless Blizzard goes full on Riot in its catering to them.


I might be wrong on many stuff but in the end, I think Destiny did a right thing shaking up sc community. Blizzard got too lazy/passive. Mass ranting, complaining, whining definitely make them do something. Otherwise they would be content with things they are. Its simple customer relationship. When people get bitching about product stakeholders gonna get worried and company CEO starts to act.

IdrA/Incontrol are like "blizzard didn't do anything for 2 years and they are not gonna do it anyway, why do you make the community go crazy". Which I think is clear indication them being afraid of things getting heated up.

at 1:22:22 djWheat is screaming that stream numbers are skyrocketing which is quite a big LIE. Streams are in downfall. Pro player's viewer count and day9 viewer count has fallen down drastically. EDIT. that was my big lie, djwheat meant all games.

its not fear of things getting heated up, its fear of negativity. and that sounds funny coming from me, but im negative about the quality of the game, not the state of esports or sc2 as an esport. ive said frequently that while im not happy with the game itself i very much enjoy the rest of everything. if the community as a whole is led to believe that sc2 is failing and start spamming reddit and twitter and tl with threads about how we're doomed and sponsors see that, you think theyre going to want to invest in the community? it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. blizzards always been shit. it doesnt matter what they do. sc2 is and will be the headline rts, tournaments have embraced it, it has a strong community behind it. if we keep doing what we've been doing (which isnt complacency, things have constantly been improving in every way) things will keep being good. sometimes viewership will be up, sometimes it will be down. it does not matter. but getting everyone all pissed off and depressed is probably the worst thing that can happen.

Ok i get it. So we should just basically settle down and accept it all.
Accept that SC2 won't be able to achieve LoL's popularity and Blizzard is just bad and won't do anything.
Because it's very hard for me you know? It's hard for me to accept that:/
I love SC2 and i would like it to be THE esport.

I think many of us feel that way, and this frustration finally had to explode somehow, with some ignition provided by Destiny.

1 question though... how did you manage to accept that beforehand?



It won't reach the same level on popularity not because of Blizzard, but because of the nature of the game itself. And that will never change.
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
MrSourGit
Profile Joined August 2012
England135 Posts
October 26 2012 00:17 GMT
#7164
On October 26 2012 09:03 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
it gets weird reading some guy say "you think" and stuff.. holy fuck. Using "strawman" doesn't make you smart.. speaking like you know my personal motivations is pretty good evidence we got a tinfoil hat neckbeard on our hands.

Actions speak louder than words, Geoff.

You have shown very clearly you don't care so much about the quality of the game, as long as you can continue to make money off it.

Again, your silliness like "tinfoil hat" lines just show how I have precisely hit the nail on the head.

I mean, really? Calling "tinfoil hat" to point out that you have a financial stake in this? Maybe you will fool some children who are your fans, but I am sure all the adults here can understand the importance of money.


They make money off a game ........ The problem is ???

Good fking luck to them , if I could do that , I'd be in my fking element ! The difference is , I don't hate on them for it ,
I respect them for being suave or smart enough to get into that situation .

Fking well done to them guys , fking 'geniuses' indeed !

I'm a game addict , really good at games , when I heard people made money off sc2 when I started and found out about the pro scene an stuff I've had nothing but admiration for them getting themselvs into such a position. I wish I stuck with sc1 back when I was 14 or whatever I was when I played it 1st.

I think a LOT of people here are EXTREMELY jelous .....

Also , they don't just bitch about 'this is wrong it's fucked' , they come up with 'this is wrong , this is how we can try to improve it' , what's the problem.

Winston Churchill - ''I may be drunk, Miss , but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly'
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 26 2012 00:17 GMT
#7165
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.
Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 26 2012 00:25 GMT
#7166
On October 26 2012 09:10 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 08:55 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 08:41 IdrA wrote:
rofl
you think blizzard gives a shit about destiny or the root idiots?

Yes. They released mockups of a new UI, clearly as a direct reaction to the complaints. Recently they have released information about some lame XP system, again probably motivated by the complaints.

Generating negative publicity works. It has been shown to work. The trick is keeping the negative publicity snowballing until they make serious changes instead of just releasing UI mockups to try and placate people.

Of course, you don't want it to snowball as you have financial interests to think of. That is why you are attacking the people responsible for the negative publicity. I understand completely and don't blame you for it at all.

you do realize that my financial interests are the same as the community's and blizzard's and sc2's right? you think destinys doing this out of the good of his heart? or for the good of his stream numbers? if i thought that yelling at blizzard was the best way to get shit fixed i would... keep doing it. since ive been doing it since the beginning. but its not. its not going to accomplish anything. it can only be a negative, for me and for you and for anyone else who enjoys esports.

and if you really think they did that and announced it in a few days cuz of destiny you're a fucking imbecile. theyve been making changes and updates like that since the beta.

The community does not share your financial interests. The community is people who spend their hard earned money on starcraft or related products, not profit from it.

The community's primary motivation is entertainment. If their enjoyment of the game is waning it makes perfect sense to generate negative publicity, hit Blizzard where it hurts, and hope it pushes them to make changes. The worst they can lose if SC2 is financially ruined is the entertainment it provided which was already dwindling for them.

The entire issue here is just a simple conflict of interest. People whose interest is entertainment see no problem attacking Blizzard, and even can see the positive aspects of it. People whose interest is financial are upset by people rocking the boat, as they don't want to lose their lines of income.

On October 26 2012 09:10 IdrA wrote:and if you really think they did that and announced it in a few days cuz of destiny you're a fucking imbecile. theyve been making changes and updates like that since the beta.

They most definitely announced it because of the negative publicity they were getting. Whether it was in the works before hands is a mystery, but you are rather unwise yourself if you think that a couple photoshops and a blog post take much work.

If you have any evidence these mockups they showed were in production long before, please do provide it.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 26 2012 00:28 GMT
#7167
i am successful because people want to watch me play and talk about sc2. sc2 being a better experience, both viewing and playing, gets more people to watch me which allows me to earn more money.

i have more to lose than the community, you lose entertainment i lose my job. that doesnt mean we dont have the same interests.

do you not know who i am or something? no body, at all, has been more openly, harshly critical of blizzard since the start than i have.

you're either a troll, an idiot, or blindly defending destiny.
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Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 26 2012 00:28 GMT
#7168
On October 26 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.

Yes. The timing makes it obvious.
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
October 26 2012 00:31 GMT
#7169
On October 26 2012 09:28 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.

Yes. The timing makes it obvious.

Just ask anyone who knows anything about game development and I can tell you there is no fucking way they did any of these changes as a result of a bunch of whining retards on reddit. Not because of how stupid it would be for them to do that just based on that, but because it is not physically possible for them to change things that fast.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 01:35:27
October 26 2012 00:32 GMT
#7170
On October 26 2012 09:03 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 08:50 iNcontroL wrote:
it gets weird reading some guy say "you think" and stuff.. holy fuck. Using "strawman" doesn't make you smart.. speaking like you know my personal motivations is pretty good evidence we got a tinfoil hat neckbeard on our hands.

Actions speak louder than words, Geoff.

You have shown very clearly you don't care so much about the quality of the game, as long as you can continue to make money off it.

Again, your silliness like "tinfoil hat" lines just show how I have precisely hit the nail on the head.

I mean, really? Calling "tinfoil hat" to point out that you have a financial stake in this? Maybe you will fool some children who are your fans, but I am sure all the adults here can understand the importance of money.


What? WHAT? I don't even know where would you get such information. He has been on almost every relevant talk show, and has voiced his oppinion about stupid stuff Blizzard has done or didn't and should do. He played Brood War for years without a dime in it, and cared more about that game and this game probably more than you will care about anything in your life. He is promoting the shit out of the game, the sponsors and often times other teams and players without anything in it for him, just to push the scene further. Sometimes, I wonder why did people with your shortsightedness and mind frame even buy starcraft and join TL when this is clearly something which in my vision does not belong here.

If you don't like Incontrol, fine. There are other talk shows, tournaments and player streams you can follow, and plenty of them. But don't come here just hoping to provoke a reaction from a pro player by spewing lies. Specially one that is a regular poster and one known to get affected by the community's opinion, and actually contributes much by living and breathing Starcraft.
You can no more evade my wrath, than you could your own shadow.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 26 2012 00:33 GMT
#7171
On October 26 2012 09:28 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.

Yes. The timing makes it obvious.

they just released a patch in diablo 3 too; only a few days after i started playing again and complained on a tl.net forum that there werent enough legendary drops. i feel special! or, its coincidence. i choose to feel special though and ignore reality (i.e., development times, the fact that blizzard developers give a shit about what i say, etc. etc.).
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 26 2012 00:33 GMT
#7172
On October 26 2012 09:25 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:10 IdrA wrote:
On October 26 2012 08:55 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 08:41 IdrA wrote:
rofl
you think blizzard gives a shit about destiny or the root idiots?

Yes. They released mockups of a new UI, clearly as a direct reaction to the complaints. Recently they have released information about some lame XP system, again probably motivated by the complaints.

Generating negative publicity works. It has been shown to work. The trick is keeping the negative publicity snowballing until they make serious changes instead of just releasing UI mockups to try and placate people.

Of course, you don't want it to snowball as you have financial interests to think of. That is why you are attacking the people responsible for the negative publicity. I understand completely and don't blame you for it at all.

you do realize that my financial interests are the same as the community's and blizzard's and sc2's right? you think destinys doing this out of the good of his heart? or for the good of his stream numbers? if i thought that yelling at blizzard was the best way to get shit fixed i would... keep doing it. since ive been doing it since the beginning. but its not. its not going to accomplish anything. it can only be a negative, for me and for you and for anyone else who enjoys esports.

and if you really think they did that and announced it in a few days cuz of destiny you're a fucking imbecile. theyve been making changes and updates like that since the beta.

The community does not share your financial interests. The community is people who spend their hard earned money on starcraft or related products, not profit from it.

The community's primary motivation is entertainment. If their enjoyment of the game is waning it makes perfect sense to generate negative publicity, hit Blizzard where it hurts, and hope it pushes them to make changes. The worst they can lose if SC2 is financially ruined is the entertainment it provided which was already dwindling for them.

The entire issue here is just a simple conflict of interest. People whose interest is entertainment see no problem attacking Blizzard, and even can see the positive aspects of it. People whose interest is financial are upset by people rocking the boat, as they don't want to lose their lines of income.

Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:10 IdrA wrote:and if you really think they did that and announced it in a few days cuz of destiny you're a fucking imbecile. theyve been making changes and updates like that since the beta.

They most definitely announced it because of the negative publicity they were getting. Whether it was in the works before hands is a mystery, but you are rather unwise yourself if you think that a couple photoshops and a blog post take much work.

If you have any evidence these mockups they showed were in production long before, please do provide it.


No one can prove it until the patch is released in the beta. Until then, you will be right. However, JP said on SotG that these changes were very coming soon and he spoke with someone directly at Blizzard. JP was also informed he could release the information on the SotG. So unless Blizzard provided JP with false information to release on his well watched podcast, I feel safe in assuming you will be proven wrong very soon.

Until then, you can enjoy being correct. Of course it is all a lie, Blizzard, a multi million dollar company, freaked out because a very very small number of people were freaking out about their game. They quickly had their art and UI staff jump into photo shop and make mock ups of UI they intend to add months later.

Of course that happened.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 26 2012 00:35 GMT
#7173
On October 26 2012 09:28 IdrA wrote:
i am successful because people want to watch me play and talk about sc2. sc2 being a better experience, both viewing and playing, gets more people to watch me which allows me to earn more money.

i have more to lose than the community, you lose entertainment i lose my job. that doesnt mean we dont have the same interests.

do you not know who i am or something? no body, at all, has been more openly, harshly critical of blizzard since the start than i have.

you're either a troll, an idiot, or blindly defending destiny.

Let's be clear here: I am not defending Destiny. I don't care one whit about him.

You having more to lose is exactly my point. Generating negative publicity is a fine gambit for anyone whose primary motivation is entertainment. Sure, they could damage Blizzard and their brand, but why should the care? They just want to compel Blizzard to make changes, and hitting them in the bottom line is the only way to do that.

You, on the other hand, have to consider whether it is worth risking what you have to try and force changes for the better. Of course since you are currently having no financial difficulties that is an easy answer: don't rock the boat.

I don't fault you the slightest for it. If I were in your position my attitude would be the same. I just jumped in here to try and help people understand there are separate interests that are at odds and can never be reconciled.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 26 2012 00:36 GMT
#7174
ty cikzombi <3 I appreciate not having to defend myself all the time.. and I am not being sarcastic. You rock <3
Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 26 2012 00:36 GMT
#7175
On October 26 2012 09:31 VanGarde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:28 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.

Yes. The timing makes it obvious.

Just ask anyone who knows anything about game development and I can tell you there is no fucking way they did any of these changes as a result of a bunch of whining retards on reddit. Not because of how stupid it would be for them to do that just based on that, but because it is not physically possible for them to change things that fast.

They didn't make any changes.

They released a couple mockups that would take a few hours at most, and a blog post. That's it.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 26 2012 00:37 GMT
#7176
On October 26 2012 09:33 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:28 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.

Yes. The timing makes it obvious.

they just released a patch in diablo 3 too; only a few days after i started playing again and complained on a tl.net forum that there werent enough legendary drops. i feel special! or, its coincidence. i choose to feel special though and ignore reality (i.e., development times, the fact that blizzard developers give a shit about what i say, etc. etc.).


No man, you caused that. Don't put yourself down, you need to believe, like Destiny. Believe in yourself. We, the community, are powerful and can force Blizzard to give us more legendary drops.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
October 26 2012 00:38 GMT
#7177
On October 26 2012 09:36 Portlandian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:31 VanGarde wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:28 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.

Yes. The timing makes it obvious.

Just ask anyone who knows anything about game development and I can tell you there is no fucking way they did any of these changes as a result of a bunch of whining retards on reddit. Not because of how stupid it would be for them to do that just based on that, but because it is not physically possible for them to change things that fast.

They didn't make any changes.

They released a couple mockups that would take a few hours at most, and a blog post. That's it.



All facts, common sense, and reason says otherwise. Keep sticking your foot in your mouth. What you gonna say in a week or two when these "mockups" are live on beta?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 26 2012 00:39 GMT
#7178
On October 26 2012 09:38 Leth0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:36 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:31 VanGarde wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:28 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.

Yes. The timing makes it obvious.

Just ask anyone who knows anything about game development and I can tell you there is no fucking way they did any of these changes as a result of a bunch of whining retards on reddit. Not because of how stupid it would be for them to do that just based on that, but because it is not physically possible for them to change things that fast.

They didn't make any changes.

They released a couple mockups that would take a few hours at most, and a blog post. That's it.



All facts, common sense, and reason says otherwise. Keep sticking your foot in your mouth. What you gonna say in a week or two when these "mockups" are live on beta?


Or tell JP that they are coming soon and that he can say that on State of the Game. Because no one pays attention to that show.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 26 2012 00:39 GMT
#7179
On October 26 2012 09:32 CikaZombi wrote:
without anything in it for him

Except a raise.

I'm sorry I didn't mean to upset naive children who think that the world runs on passion. These are adults here we are talking about, with adult interests (money).
Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 26 2012 00:41 GMT
#7180
On October 26 2012 09:33 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 09:28 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:13 Portlandian wrote:
On October 26 2012 09:06 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Yeah they redesigned the UI in a week in response to a twitter hashtag campaign. These changes have been in the works for months because people have been complaining about the UI since day 1.

They didn't redesign the UI, they just released a couple mockups and a writeup saying their intentions.

Isn't it a bit daft to claim these changes have been in the works for months? Just a few months ago they released the 1.5 patch, which they intended to settle the UI issues. You think after releasing the patch which they intended to fix the UI, they immediately started work on another new UI?

Do you have any evidence they were working on those mockups and writeup for months?

do you have any evidence that they are in any way related to #savehots and destiny? no.

Yes. The timing makes it obvious.

they just released a patch in diablo 3 too; only a few days after i started playing again and complained on a tl.net forum that there werent enough legendary drops. i feel special! or, its coincidence. i choose to feel special though and ignore reality (i.e., development times, the fact that blizzard developers give a shit about what i say, etc. etc.).

If you can't understand the difference between a patch and a blog post, you aren't worth conversing with.
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