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zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
October 24 2012 04:43 GMT
#5981
Wow, how is it that Destiny is incapable of communicating like a normal person? He is just a constant flurry of screaming things, failing to make sense, and not listening to anyone. This is really frustrating.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 24 2012 04:44 GMT
#5982
On October 24 2012 13:22 ratbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 13:16 GolemMadness wrote:
Is there video of the latest episode up yet?


http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/336653494

there ya go buddy


Thank you sir!
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
October 24 2012 04:45 GMT
#5983
On October 24 2012 13:36 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 13:33 corpuscle wrote:
On October 24 2012 13:22 Hider wrote:
On October 24 2012 13:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
On October 24 2012 13:10 Hider wrote:
On October 24 2012 13:07 MVega wrote:
On October 24 2012 12:56 Duravi wrote:
On October 24 2012 12:54 VanGarde wrote:
On October 24 2012 12:45 Hider wrote:
On October 24 2012 11:38 VanGarde wrote:
[quote]
I won't respond that that explicitly because I do not recall IdrA having 20k stable viewers at any point where there were multiple good foreigner zergs. IdrA used to stream way less than now, he was in the gsl code s, he was the only notable foreigner zerg and a foreigner fanfavorite.

The bottom line is however that taking one players stream count and comparing it between now and a year or two years ago does not tell you anything more than that this person now has less viewers than before. Which is a meaningless comparisom if the point is to illustrate that something is wrong with the game. The only way to get useful data would be to have long term sc2 viewer stats for all streams and tournaments. Then being able to average the result and even out any unnatural spikes. One thing is for sure, Destiny does not have those stats. The only person who has any kind of credible access to numbers like that is Wheat, and he says the game is fine. I have to listen to what the guy with the numbers is saying.


wait are people actually trying to deny that viewerships are down?

THIS IS INSANE. Of coure they are down, and quite a lot. what exact number does wheat have? btw


He works for twitch.tv.. The question is what numbers do YOU have since it is so laughable to you that person with actual data is saying that the game is NOT shrinking in terms of viewers. Taking a stream like IdrA's and saying he had more players at time x and now he has less so the community is shrinking is no where near meaningful.

Once again, twitch's numbers are up. He said nothing about SC2's numbers.


Just because IdrA's numbers, as an example, are down it doesn't mean that SC2's numbers are way down. IdrA is just less relevant than he was back when WoL first came out. Back then he was consider a major player in the western esports scene, I watched him all the time but I haven't watched him in ages since he doesn't do anything innovative and he's not relevant in the scene, and he's not a particularly entertaining streamer. More SC2 streamers = more divided audience. If Stephano and IdrA are streaming at the same time I can't pay attention to both so I only watch one or the other, the more popular player or the player with the best stream between the two is going to have the most viewers and since there is viewer overlap that's going to result in a dip for one of those two streamers.

That's just one example, now multiply that by a bit and you can see what happened. Back when I started watching SC2 streams I didn't have that many options for the kind of stream that I enjoy, but RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT there are SEVEN StarCraft 2 streamers that I like streaming, FOUR street fighter 4 streamers, and SIX people streaming various other games with entertaining streams. Those are just the streams that I'm subscribed to. Obviously I can't watch all of those at one time.

Also remember the Korean player Rainbow? When he first started streaming he had so many viewers, but a few months after he stopped being relevant he was lucky if he had 100. That's just the nature of spectators. They're fickle. If Stephano were to stop being competitive I'd stop watching him, because while I like him I only watch his stream because he's relevant in the game.

Worst case scenario is that the number of SC2 viewers has stagnated, as in the viewer #s aren't growing, and they're spread out across more streams than ever. There has been nothing at all to indicate that numbers for SC2 have taken a nose dive. At all.



Your timeframe is jsut off. You think back like two years. Try and think back 12-15 months when Sc2 peaked. Back then there were roughly same amount of tournamnets, same amount of streamers (perhaps even more), and everyone had much higer stream numbers (not just idra, basically everyone).

Perhaps right on the streams, there are far far more tournaments around the place, at least instinctively based on my recollection of a year ago.


Which tournmanent is here today that was not here one year ago and averages over 500 streamers?


MLG Arena, IPL FC, IPL TAC/IPTL, MvP Invitational, OSL, Proleague, Lone Star Clash, Red Bull Battlegrounds/offshoots, GIGABYTE LAN... want me to keep going?


IPL?
But the problem is that most of the myou mention is just one-time tournaments. No regular weekley occurances (ilke once a week which is what i thought of). Also you ignore previously abandoned tournaments in your list- If you look at the "on-air" tournament list the number of tournaments are roughly the same as year ago, with the main difference being OSL as a competitor to GSL.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. If you honestly think there is the same amount of content as there was last year than you must have a poor memory. There is way more content throughout this year than there was last year. Content isn't just tournaments that you cherry pick as ones that count, it's everything.
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r4pture
Profile Joined May 2011
United States397 Posts
October 24 2012 04:46 GMT
#5984
On October 24 2012 13:43 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Wow, how is it that Destiny is incapable of communicating like a normal person? He is just a constant flurry of screaming things, failing to make sense, and not listening to anyone. This is really frustrating.


Likely he was already riled up from inc shitting all over him before he was brought on.
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th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
October 24 2012 04:47 GMT
#5985
there are 2300 people watching destiny's desktop. i dont think he needs to talk shit to get a few extra stream viewers.
did you read the script?
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
October 24 2012 04:48 GMT
#5986
On October 24 2012 13:43 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Wow, how is it that Destiny is incapable of communicating like a normal person? He is just a constant flurry of screaming things, failing to make sense, and not listening to anyone. This is really frustrating.


If you actually believe what you wrote.... then I guess its the same way your capable of being so completely ignorant about Destiny and his methods of communication...

Has noone in this thread ever been invited into an arguement where you are arguing against 3 people, and all of them just ignore you and giggle to eachother while insulting you?

Or when they completely sensationalize everything you say, and just completely ignore any and all points you make, in their efforts to seem superior?

Meh, he got invited and was treated as a joke, and was completely talked down to by Greg and Geoff, who somehow think of themselves as superior members of the SC2 community.... maybe its the chinstraps.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 24 2012 04:49 GMT
#5987
People wanted viewer stats? Let's go to the GSL. Top five watched VOD's from every season.

Earlier seasons could have a bit of a bump since they're free to watch.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Statistically, GOM went into a huge down slide in the October/November seasons and then has been much up in 2012. Also people dislike watching MMA play TvT in finals.
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MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
October 24 2012 04:52 GMT
#5988
On October 24 2012 13:49 Fionn wrote:
People wanted viewer stats? Let's go to the GSL. Top five watched VOD's from every season.

Earlier seasons could have a bit of a bump since they're free to watch.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Statistically, GOM went into a huge down slide in the October/November seasons and then has been much up in 2012. Also people dislike watching MMA play TvT in finals.


And when Did BW pros come to SC2 and Gom?

And what will happen once that hype is old?
SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
October 24 2012 04:52 GMT
#5989
just like to add that when incontrol walked over to idra and did that juvenile "hi5" to idra after idra said "go play LoL" (or sumin along those lines) just pushed destiny over the edge.

Maybe there was some sort of turn around to the conversation where both idra/cholesterol/DJwheat might have a mutual place where they just say hey... lets agree to disagree, and maybe not have to provoke that other juvenile and sarcastic "good-bye" from destiny.

its so sad to see so many very very intelligent people. such as DJWheat, idra.....destiny ...go down to such a low level of stupidity and make each and everyone of them look like complete dumbshits.

just for "information" purposes, im a casual player and i stopped playing sc2, although i still keep watching streams and up to date with the community and such i honestly dont feel the "drive" to play sc2 anymore, because its... straight boring. (dont think of this as some information that im taking either parties side, there both as childish as each other)

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TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
October 24 2012 04:54 GMT
#5990
On October 24 2012 13:47 th3_great wrote:
there are 2300 people watching destiny's desktop. i dont think he needs to talk shit to get a few extra stream viewers.


as a former destiny fan, that's practically half his viewers from around this time last year and that's with the current events bump. I don't necessarily buy into drama being his primary motivation rather than an unintended consequence of being himself and can't speculate on what his streaming revenue might be even at a reduced rate, but regardless it has to be something he curses every night before going to sleep.

I'm relistening to the debate because boredom and destiny's very first comment is to label the game shit, where the hell do you go when you have that delusion as the beginning premise to operate from?

DownOnMyNiece
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Germany155 Posts
October 24 2012 04:54 GMT
#5991
On October 24 2012 13:28 DownOnMyNiece wrote:
Do we have an mp3 yet?


Anyone? Gotta leave home in 10 minutes time and would love to have an itg to listen to on my commute.
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
October 24 2012 04:55 GMT
#5992
On October 24 2012 13:52 SpaceFighting wrote:
just like to add that when incontrol walked over to idra and did that juvenile "hi5" to idra after idra said "go play LoL" (or sumin along those lines) just pushed destiny over the edge.

Maybe there was some sort of turn around to the conversation where both idra/cholesterol/DJwheat might have a mutual place where they just say hey... lets agree to disagree, and maybe not have to provoke that other juvenile and sarcastic "good-bye" from destiny.

its so sad to see so many very very intelligent people. such as DJWheat, idra.....destiny ...go down to such a low level of stupidity and make each and everyone of them look like complete dumbshits.

You argue that they were acting so immature, when you yourself resort to calling iNcontroL names? Sad indeed.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
October 24 2012 04:56 GMT
#5993
On October 24 2012 13:55 Hammer442 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 13:52 SpaceFighting wrote:
just like to add that when incontrol walked over to idra and did that juvenile "hi5" to idra after idra said "go play LoL" (or sumin along those lines) just pushed destiny over the edge.

Maybe there was some sort of turn around to the conversation where both idra/cholesterol/DJwheat might have a mutual place where they just say hey... lets agree to disagree, and maybe not have to provoke that other juvenile and sarcastic "good-bye" from destiny.

its so sad to see so many very very intelligent people. such as DJWheat, idra.....destiny ...go down to such a low level of stupidity and make each and everyone of them look like complete dumbshits.

You argue that they were acting so immature, when you yourself resort to calling iNcontroL names? Sad indeed.


Was about to point out the same ignorant hypocrisy.
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
October 24 2012 04:58 GMT
#5994
On October 24 2012 13:48 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 13:43 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Wow, how is it that Destiny is incapable of communicating like a normal person? He is just a constant flurry of screaming things, failing to make sense, and not listening to anyone. This is really frustrating.


If you actually believe what you wrote.... then I guess its the same way your capable of being so completely ignorant about Destiny and his methods of communication...

Has noone in this thread ever been invited into an arguement where you are arguing against 3 people, and all of them just ignore you and giggle to eachother while insulting you?

Or when they completely sensationalize everything you say, and just completely ignore any and all points you make, in their efforts to seem superior?

Meh, he got invited and was treated as a joke, and was completely talked down to by Greg and Geoff, who somehow think of themselves as superior members of the SC2 community.... maybe its the chinstraps.


I think that, in this episode, he is not arguing clearly, listening at all, or communicating effectively. I think if you listen to the episode this is fairly clear, so I don't think that my believing it is odd or that I am therefore ignorant.

I understand that he was arguing with people that disagreed with him, but I don't think that is an excuse for such poor discussion.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
striyder
Profile Joined November 2011
United States16 Posts
October 24 2012 05:01 GMT
#5995
On October 24 2012 13:48 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 13:43 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Wow, how is it that Destiny is incapable of communicating like a normal person? He is just a constant flurry of screaming things, failing to make sense, and not listening to anyone. This is really frustrating.


If you actually believe what you wrote.... then I guess its the same way your capable of being so completely ignorant about Destiny and his methods of communication...

Has noone in this thread ever been invited into an arguement where you are arguing against 3 people, and all of them just ignore you and giggle to eachother while insulting you?

Or when they completely sensationalize everything you say, and just completely ignore any and all points you make, in their efforts to seem superior?

Meh, he got invited and was treated as a joke, and was completely talked down to by Greg and Geoff, who somehow think of themselves as superior members of the SC2 community.... maybe its the chinstraps.


It never started as a 3v1. It only turned into that because Destiny kept talking over people and yelling without sometimes even trying to refute some of the claims that were brought up. They even agreed to some of the points that Destiny brought up so you can't say they even ignored him completely.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 24 2012 05:02 GMT
#5996
On October 24 2012 13:52 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 13:49 Fionn wrote:
People wanted viewer stats? Let's go to the GSL. Top five watched VOD's from every season.

Earlier seasons could have a bit of a bump since they're free to watch.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Statistically, GOM went into a huge down slide in the October/November seasons and then has been much up in 2012. Also people dislike watching MMA play TvT in finals.


And when Did BW pros come to SC2 and Gom?

And what will happen once that hype is old?


Last season. The numbers didn't jump at all or really decline. GSL is doing better now than it was in the middle/end of 2011.
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MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
October 24 2012 05:03 GMT
#5997
On October 24 2012 13:58 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 13:48 MaestroSC wrote:
On October 24 2012 13:43 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Wow, how is it that Destiny is incapable of communicating like a normal person? He is just a constant flurry of screaming things, failing to make sense, and not listening to anyone. This is really frustrating.


If you actually believe what you wrote.... then I guess its the same way your capable of being so completely ignorant about Destiny and his methods of communication...

Has noone in this thread ever been invited into an arguement where you are arguing against 3 people, and all of them just ignore you and giggle to eachother while insulting you?

Or when they completely sensationalize everything you say, and just completely ignore any and all points you make, in their efforts to seem superior?

Meh, he got invited and was treated as a joke, and was completely talked down to by Greg and Geoff, who somehow think of themselves as superior members of the SC2 community.... maybe its the chinstraps.


I think that, in this episode, he is not arguing clearly, listening at all, or communicating effectively. I think if you listen to the episode this is fairly clear, so I don't think that my believing it is odd or that I am therefore ignorant.

I understand that he was arguing with people that disagreed with him, but I don't think that is an excuse for such poor discussion.


And you understand that all they did in the half hour prior to him coming on... was insult him. They didnt argue his points... they said "DESTINY IS A FUCKING IDIOT"..... but you know... context is something that completely escapes 90% of the population fed by a media that COMPLETELY ignores context for every quote and picture used as sensational media....
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
October 24 2012 05:03 GMT
#5998
On October 24 2012 13:52 SpaceFighting wrote:
its so sad to see so many very very intelligent people. such as DJWheat, idra.....destiny ...go down to such a low level of stupidity and make each and everyone of them look like complete dumbshits.


I even doubt that they are intelligent after seeing this episode.

I mean from Destiny you can expect something like this, and in my opinion we also need people like him - exaggerating like hell, to get a point.
But what those "flag ships" of the SC2 community delivered today; Wheat, Inc and idra. I was ashamed.

life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
October 24 2012 05:04 GMT
#5999
Just watched it all and gained a lot of respect for Painuser. Very objective, calm, and level headed trying to generate productive discussion.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
October 24 2012 05:08 GMT
#6000
On October 24 2012 14:04 mango_destroyer wrote:
Just watched it all and gained a lot of respect for Painuser. Very objective, calm, and level headed trying to generate productive discussion.


Painuser was the only one who didnt come off as a giant retard.

Maybe i should be happy tho... was the first time in a while that people actually had opinions and werent trying to act responsible and "professional" for the future of esports.
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