EPTImagine the following scenario: Flash is invited to TSL4. Lag is not an issue at this point. Could he be upset and knocked out early by a player generally considered worse? I could definitely see it happening, and it wasn't a possibility at WCG for any of them. The differences between players are just too thin.
MC: "[Flash] would definitely do well in SC2" - Page 5
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rift
1819 Posts
Imagine the following scenario: Flash is invited to TSL4. Lag is not an issue at this point. Could he be upset and knocked out early by a player generally considered worse? I could definitely see it happening, and it wasn't a possibility at WCG for any of them. The differences between players are just too thin. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On April 30 2011 13:46 dukethegold wrote: If you are a champion, you need to maintain self-esteem. Of course MC can't admit to others or himself that if Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Stork switched, the current SC2 lineup would be obliterated within three months. It wouldn't, it took the current players a hilariously long time to learn and master all the timings as well as they have, and the game keeps shifting. The differences is, Brood War is basically as figured out as it's going to get, so it's just a question of who has the best mechanics and experience/training with it, SC2 is a long way from getting there, and thus is volatile. So... doesn't matter how good you are, nobody is completely dominating the scene. MC is the closest there is, and he got 2-0'd by Polt in the GSL and got knocked to the up and down matches. Maybe 6 months, maybe not at all. | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
Flash would wreck. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On April 30 2011 10:54 Nik0 wrote: Thats a really bold statement by MC. Show me 10 statements made by MC that aren't bold @_@ | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On April 30 2011 13:48 Whitewing wrote: It wouldn't, it took the current players a hilariously long time to learn and master all the timings as well as they have, and the game keeps shifting. The differences is, Brood War is basically as figured out as it's going to get, so it's just a question of who has the best mechanics and experience/training with it, SC2 is a long way from getting there, and thus is volatile. So... doesn't matter how good you are, nobody is completely dominating the scene. MC is the closest there is, and he got 2-0'd by Polt in the GSL and got knocked to the up and down matches. Maybe 6 months, maybe not at all. Metagame in BW is still changing lol, Just look at Neo.G_Soulkey + Zero ZvT. And Shines crazy build that he used on Reality in MSL. TBLS are super hardworking, and masters of RTS, they'd destroy everyone pretty fast, maybe a month. | ||
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Musou
1375 Posts
On April 30 2011 13:48 Whitewing wrote: It wouldn't, it took the current players a hilariously long time to learn and master all the timings as well as they have, and the game keeps shifting. The differences is, Brood War is basically as figured out as it's going to get, so it's just a question of who has the best mechanics and experience/training with it, SC2 is a long way from getting there, and thus is volatile. So... doesn't matter how good you are, nobody is completely dominating the scene. MC is the closest there is, and he got 2-0'd by Polt in the GSL and got knocked to the up and down matches. Maybe 6 months, maybe not at all. Brood War is figured out? Do you even watch BW? Every time someone makes a statement like that, the matchups get revolutionized again. In the past year alone there have been multiple metagame shifts, with the most recent one being heavy queen play against mech ZvT in the past few weeks. | ||
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
On April 30 2011 13:53 TooN wrote: Wait people question that Flash would do good? hahahaaha Flash would wreck. I know right? To be fair a lot of people here at TL now didn't follow pro BW so they don't know the Ultimate Weapon... | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
players who have been playing longer couldn't even come close to keeping up | ||
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bashalisk
102 Posts
There's no such thing as a "best * player", so can we just refrain from flamebaiting forums with it? Thanks. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On April 30 2011 14:00 Musou wrote: Brood War is figured out? Do you even watch BW? Every time someone makes a statement like that, the matchups get revolutionized again. In the past year alone there have been multiple metagame shifts, with the most recent one being heavy queen play against mech ZvT in the past few weeks. You misunderstood: I didn't say that it is completely figured out, nothing to learn, just that by now, it's about as figured out as it is going to get. There will be new developments, but it's not so much a question of "woah, new shit, this'll take months to figure out how to deal with it" as it is "Okay, this is unusual and unexpected, not really normal, but I've got some good ideas." Sure, there's always a little bit more to learn, but these developments aren't HUGE glaring shifts that massively change everything, people aren't suddenly discovering super effective new cheeses that kill better players really early on, etc., and SC2 is still being patched. There's no question that Flash would be an excellent player of SC2, and definitely has the potential to be one of the best period, but I'm not certain that he'd show up, and in 3 months be winning everything left and right. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
But seriously, MC with the understatement of the year | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Vundox
United States182 Posts
On April 30 2011 14:04 Whitewing wrote: You misunderstood: I didn't say that it is completely figured out, nothing to learn, just that by now, it's about as figured out as it is going to get. There will be new developments, but it's not so much a question of "woah, new shit, this'll take months to figure out how to deal with it" as it is "Okay, this is unusual and unexpected, not really normal, but I've got some good ideas." Sure, there's always a little bit more to learn, but these developments aren't HUGE glaring shifts that massively change everything, people aren't suddenly discovering super effective new cheeses that kill better players really early on, etc., and SC2 is still being patched. There's no question that Flash would be an excellent player of SC2, and definitely has the potential to be one of the best period, but I'm not certain that he'd show up, and in 3 months be winning everything left and right. LOL please stop talking out of your ass if you don't keep up with BW. BW metagame has changed more than SC2 in the past 4 months | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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Aequos
Canada606 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On April 30 2011 13:45 rift wrote: As there are fewer differentiators of skill in SC2 I can see Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Stork losing games or even matches to weaker players often. I don't think it's possible to become dominant in the same way considering the nature of the game. Imagine the following scenario: Flash is invited to TSL4. Lag is not an issue at this point. Could he be upset and knocked out early by a player generally considered worse? I could definitely see it happening, and it wasn't a possibility at WCG for any of them. The differences between players are just too thin. Don't be ridiculous, Flash knocked out of a tournament early by a no-name player? That would never happen!  You're more likely to find a ssak of pianos on the street! | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
This is my hope aha. But maybe it won't happen?  | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On April 30 2011 14:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I hope Flash would go SC2 during his peak, not delay so much further... This is my hope aha. But maybe it won't happen? Are you sure you want a Flash in peak form to be in SC2? On April 30 2011 13:48 Whitewing wrote: It wouldn't, it took the current players a hilariously long time to learn and master all the timings as well as they have, and the game keeps shifting. The differences is, Brood War is basically as figured out as it's going to get, so it's just a question of who has the best mechanics and experience/training with it, SC2 is a long way from getting there, and thus is volatile. So... doesn't matter how good you are, nobody is completely dominating the scene. MC is the closest there is, and he got 2-0'd by Polt in the GSL and got knocked to the up and down matches. Maybe 6 months, maybe not at all. I disagree about EVERYTHING you just said. Brood War players adapt to constant shifts in metagame on monthly basis. OSL/MSL/PL host their own unique map pool, preventing stagnation of metagame shifts. Transition from BW to SC2 is fairly simple, as Nada once said in his interview. 6 months? Don't even joke. That's an eternity in BW. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On April 30 2011 14:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I hope Flash would go SC2 during his peak, not delay so much further... This is my hope aha. But maybe it won't happen? Wat I remember you always being a big BW fan ;; why u want Flash to switch over hes too good for sc2. | ||
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