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On April 30 2011 11:01 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 10:55 Onlinejaguar wrote:
Saying that Flash would do well in SC2 is kind of an obvious statement. Would have to agree with this. Anybody who has seen a FPVOD of Jaedong or Flash can see they are on a different level than even players like MVP (best bw player to come to sc2).
I'm just going to make a wild guess and say that JUST PERHAPS Boxer and Nada are the best bw players to come to sc2.
(Unless you mean the most successful bw players coming to sc2, which would make more sense)
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Was MC the guy who lost to Hyungjoon, the boyband member?
On April 30 2011 11:12 Tazerenix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:01 On_Slaught wrote:On April 30 2011 10:55 Onlinejaguar wrote:
Saying that Flash would do well in SC2 is kind of an obvious statement. Would have to agree with this. Anybody who has seen a FPVOD of Jaedong or Flash can see they are on a different level than even players like MVP (best bw player to come to sc2). I'm just going to make a wild guess and say that JUST PERHAPS Boxer and Nada are the best bw players to come to sc2. (Unless you mean the most successful bw players coming to sc2, which would make more sense)
Depends on what you mean by best. Is it the best player when they switched or the most accomplished player?
As a basketball analogy, think of Boxer and Nada as Shaq and Duncan while MVP is Zach Randolph. Is Zach Randolph close to being one of the best players in the NBA? No, he isn't. But he's a whole lot better than those two right now.
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On April 30 2011 11:12 Tazerenix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:01 On_Slaught wrote:On April 30 2011 10:55 Onlinejaguar wrote:
Saying that Flash would do well in SC2 is kind of an obvious statement. Would have to agree with this. Anybody who has seen a FPVOD of Jaedong or Flash can see they are on a different level than even players like MVP (best bw player to come to sc2). I'm just going to make a wild guess and say that JUST PERHAPS Boxer and Nada are the best bw players to come to sc2. (Unless you mean the most successful bw players coming to sc2, which would make more sense)
You have it backwards, Boxer and Nada are more successful, Mvp is more skilled in sc1 than either of them. In fact he's the best sc1 player to have switched so far (in terms of raw skill)
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I always wondered what the top SC2 players thought about themselves now compared to when they were mediocre in BW. hearing MC say that "I am definitely certain that I can do as well as they do" when refering to TBLS made my eyes roll a bit. I hope there's a little bit of a translation error, because if MC doesn't recognize them as vastly superior players, I....dunno what to say. Yes MC is great at SC2, but don't put yourself on the same level as them, just don't.
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Before people spew their uneducated nonsense, NADA, JULY, AND BOXER WERE FUCKING AWFUL AT BW WHEN THEY SWITCHED OVER TO SC2, mvp was the most skilled at that point.
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OP should be careful with statements like "the best SC2 player."
And no shit sherlock Flash would do well.
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On April 30 2011 11:13 Tachion wrote:
I always wondered what the top SC2 players thought about themselves now compared to when they were mediocre in BW. hearing MC say that "I am definitely certain that I can do as well as they do" when refering to TBLS made my eyes roll a bit. I hope there's a little bit of a translation error, because if MC doesn't recognize them as vastly superior players, I....dunno what to say. Yes MC is great at SC2, but don't put yourself on the same level as them, just don't.
It's better to say that in an interview rather than "they would smash me if they switched to SC2".
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Wait, MC actually lost to Hyungjoon? o.O I guess I need to finish that. It was just so 'meh' compred to Nal_rA's Oldboy.
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-Does the lack of success of the elite four in SC2 ((P)MC, (Z)NesTea, (T)MVP, (T)MarineKing) during their BW careers mean (T)Flash, (Z)Jaedong, (P)Stork and (P)Bisu would dominate SC2 if they switched?
I think they would, but not because of BW mechanics and experience. In fact, I think the BW mechanics and experience can only get you so far. Just look at the pro's play from beta. Even Tyler was playing completely terrible by today's SC2 standards.
Flash/Jaedong/Stork/Bisu would become great at SC2, because they are dedicated to what they do. They could probably become world-class professional poker players if they wanted to. It's all about the mental aspect and passion for their job. If they ever switch, they'll start off just as terrible as anyone else does, but they'll quickly become elite players.
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Yeah seriously from a BW perspective MC is a bit of a joke. Any A-team and probably half of the B-team members could play at his SC2 level. I have to say i cringed a bit when he said he'd like people to call him 'god protoss'. I mean seriously what?
And yes MVP was definitely the best player to switch. But IrOn wasn't THAT far behind.. MVP got played a lot because of being the only half-decent T on his team, while MC/IrOn was not first choice at all.
On April 30 2011 11:12 Tazerenix wrote:
Depends on what you mean by best. Is it the best player when they switched or the most accomplished player?
As a basketball analogy, think of Boxer and Nada as Shaq and Duncan while MVP is Zach Randolph. Is Zach Randolph close to being one of the best players in the NBA? No, he isn't. But he's a whole lot better than those two right now.
This isn't quite correct though, the thing is MVP was better than Nada or Boxer at their peaks as well. That's just how much skill has progressed over the years.
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On April 30 2011 11:17 KevinIX wrote:Show nested quote +-Does the lack of success of the elite four in SC2 ((P)MC, (Z)NesTea, (T)MVP, (T)MarineKing) during their BW careers mean (T)Flash, (Z)Jaedong, (P)Stork and (P)Bisu would dominate SC2 if they switched? I think they would, but not because of BW mechanics and experience. In fact, I think the BW mechanics and experience can only get you so far. Just look at the pro's play from beta. Even Tyler was playing completely terrible by today's SC2 standards. Flash/Jaedong/Stork/Bisu would become great at SC2, because they are dedicated to what they do. They could probably become world-class professional poker players if they wanted to. It's all about the mental aspect and passion for their job. If they ever switch, they'll start off just as terrible as anyone else does, but they'll quickly become elite players.
Moreso, I think that these players would be successful mainly because they are master strategists. Their decision making, as well as their unit control when it comes to tactics & positioning, may be their bests strenghts in my opinion.
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I'm surprised that a mediocre B team Brood War player like MC thinks that Flash, the greatest Brood War player of all time, would be a good player. Really good comment from the "best Starcraft 2 player" in the world.
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On April 30 2011 11:05 DarthXX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:01 On_Slaught wrote:On April 30 2011 10:55 Onlinejaguar wrote:
Saying that Flash would do well in SC2 is kind of an obvious statement. Would have to agree with this. Anybody who has seen a FPVOD of Jaedong or Flash can see they are on a different level than even players like MVP (best bw player to come to sc2). Nada/July? But yeah its a real no brainer if you had to pick someone from BW to do well in SC2 it would be Flash or JD.
flash and jaedong are on top now
nada and july haven't been for years
flash would dominate SC2 and that's guranteed (idle worker icon and bind...the guy has no idle workers in BW even)
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On April 30 2011 11:20 Stoids wrote:
I'm surprised that a mediocre B team Brood War player like MC thinks that Flash, the greatest Brood War player of all time, would be a good player. Really good comment from the "best Starcraft 2 player" in the world.
this is perhaps the most arrogant sounding thing i've read in this entire thread, and thats saying something.
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On April 30 2011 11:26 jaiiiii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:20 Stoids wrote:
I'm surprised that a mediocre B team Brood War player like MC thinks that Flash, the greatest Brood War player of all time, would be a good player. Really good comment from the "best Starcraft 2 player" in the world. this is perhaps the most arrogant sounding thing i've read in this entire thread, and thats saying something.
it's true though, some less than obvious answer would've been better ^_^
still thanks for the interview
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It seems a lot of people don't understand what the difference between best in terms of skill and best in terms of achievement means. Let me try my hand at an analogy. Babe Ruth is considered one of the best baseball players of all time. He is easily one of the most accomplished (3rd for most homeruns in history). But back then, there were only what? 1-2 pitches? Fastball and...fastball. We have no way of knowing how good Babe Ruth's swing would fare against today's major league pitchers (who's arsenal range from fastballs to curveballs/sliders/knuckleballs, etc.) I would daresay Albert Pujols has better mechanics than Babe Ruth did if he were still alive today. Even though Pujols isn't as decorated achievement wise as Ruth. Boxer, Nada, July are mainly known for their achievements. Their skill compared to today's players is not as impressive. People like Mvp today, though not very accomplished, are better than those legends in raw skill.
I think Flash would destroy this game if he ever switches. Mvp is proof that sc1 skills carry over into sc2 amazingly well.
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i dont think its really a question whether or not the jaedong bisu flash trifecta would do well is sc2, thus far the best sc2 players all came from bw so as the best players ever how could they not be great as sc2 its just a question of how much would they dominate
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On April 30 2011 11:17 infinity2k9 wrote:Yeah seriously from a BW perspective MC is a bit of a joke. Any A-team and probably half of the B-team members could play at his SC2 level. I have to say i cringed a bit when he said he'd like people to call him 'god protoss'. I mean seriously what? And yes MVP was definitely the best player to switch. But IrOn wasn't THAT far behind.. MVP got played a lot because of being the only half-decent T on his team, while MC/IrOn was not first choice at all. Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:12 Tazerenix wrote:
Depends on what you mean by best. Is it the best player when they switched or the most accomplished player?
As a basketball analogy, think of Boxer and Nada as Shaq and Duncan while MVP is Zach Randolph. Is Zach Randolph close to being one of the best players in the NBA? No, he isn't. But he's a whole lot better than those two right now. This isn't quite correct though, the thing is MVP was better than Nada or Boxer at their peaks as well. That's just how much skill has progressed over the years.
No way lol MVP was not good. He was probably higher ranked because of a decent MSL showing but Nada was still an active, winning player in pro league in 2010, July was slumping in 2010 but completely revitalized his career from a similar slump not so long ago to win another OSL.
Never in a million years could MVP be considered the better player. If they all focused 100% on SC2 MVP is trash compared to July or Nada
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Makes you wonder if the great players of today become "Boxers" in 5 years.
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On April 30 2011 11:26 jaiiiii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:20 Stoids wrote:
I'm surprised that a mediocre B team Brood War player like MC thinks that Flash, the greatest Brood War player of all time, would be a good player. Really good comment from the "best Starcraft 2 player" in the world. this is perhaps the most arrogant sounding thing i've read in this entire thread, and thats saying something.
What's arrogant about it. His statement just consists of facts.
On April 30 2011 11:31 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:17 infinity2k9 wrote:Yeah seriously from a BW perspective MC is a bit of a joke. Any A-team and probably half of the B-team members could play at his SC2 level. I have to say i cringed a bit when he said he'd like people to call him 'god protoss'. I mean seriously what? And yes MVP was definitely the best player to switch. But IrOn wasn't THAT far behind.. MVP got played a lot because of being the only half-decent T on his team, while MC/IrOn was not first choice at all. On April 30 2011 11:12 Tazerenix wrote:
Depends on what you mean by best. Is it the best player when they switched or the most accomplished player?
As a basketball analogy, think of Boxer and Nada as Shaq and Duncan while MVP is Zach Randolph. Is Zach Randolph close to being one of the best players in the NBA? No, he isn't. But he's a whole lot better than those two right now. This isn't quite correct though, the thing is MVP was better than Nada or Boxer at their peaks as well. That's just how much skill has progressed over the years. No way lol MVP was not good. He was probably higher ranked because of a decent MSL showing but Nada was still an active, winning player in pro league in 2010, July was slumping in 2010 but completely revitalized his career from a similar slump not so long ago to win another OSL. Never in a million years could MVP be considered the better player. If they all focused 100% on SC2 MVP is trash compared to July or Nada
I dunno how you can say this. MVP is the technically better player because he would definitely beat the others head to head even if those players were at their peaks. So skillwise alone yes he is the better player.
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