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On April 30 2011 14:49 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 14:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I hope Flash would go SC2 during his peak, not delay so much further... This is my hope aha. But maybe it won't happen?  Wat I remember you always being a big BW fan ;; why u want Flash to switch over hes too good for sc2.
I am BoxeR fan, Flash fan. BW...no aha. Because that time SC2 is not out. I went watch SC2 at GSL season 2 when I am lucky to find out BoxeR playing in season 2. The 1st SC2 game I have watched is Full set BoxeR vs NesTea where Nestea win 4:0 or 3:0. Anyway BoxeR is 0 . Ah..
Now I totally watch SC2, because better graphic? New game? I wan Flash to be part of it too, so I can support him. If he play SC2 I will not support other players anymore. Only pure Flash keke.
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imo much of FlaSh's talents would goto waste in SC2.
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On April 30 2011 14:53 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 14:49 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 30 2011 14:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I hope Flash would go SC2 during his peak, not delay so much further... This is my hope aha. But maybe it won't happen? Wat I remember you always being a big BW fan ;; why u want Flash to switch over hes too good for sc2. I am BoxeR fan, Flash fan. BW...no aha. Because that time SC2 is not out. I went watch SC2 at GSL season 2 when I am lucky to find out BoxeR playing in season 2. The 1st SC2 game I have watched is Full set BoxeR vs NesTea where Nestea win 4:0 or 3:0. Anyway BoxeR is 0 . Ah.. Now I totally watch SC2, because better graphic? New game? I wan Flash to be part of it too, so I can support him. If he play SC2 I will not support other players anymore. Only pure Flash keke.
There is no incentive for him to go for SC2.
Flash makes ~300-400k a year in BW.
SC2 is tiny/peanuts in Korea, whereas BW is major(Beyond E-famous).
And really, it would be such a waste if Flash were to play SC2.
Either way thanks for the interview, it is interesting though that half of the replies here about the article stating that MC is the best, who cares?Just read the contents lol.
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Kekek xiao maybe in a few years ^^
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On April 30 2011 15:07 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 14:53 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On April 30 2011 14:49 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 30 2011 14:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I hope Flash would go SC2 during his peak, not delay so much further... This is my hope aha. But maybe it won't happen? Wat I remember you always being a big BW fan ;; why u want Flash to switch over hes too good for sc2. I am BoxeR fan, Flash fan. BW...no aha. Because that time SC2 is not out. I went watch SC2 at GSL season 2 when I am lucky to find out BoxeR playing in season 2. The 1st SC2 game I have watched is Full set BoxeR vs NesTea where Nestea win 4:0 or 3:0. Anyway BoxeR is 0 . Ah.. Now I totally watch SC2, because better graphic? New game? I wan Flash to be part of it too, so I can support him. If he play SC2 I will not support other players anymore. Only pure Flash keke. There is no incentive for him to go for SC2. Flash makes ~300-400k a year in BW. SC2 is tiny/peanuts in Korea, whereas BW is major(Beyond E-famous). And really, it would be such a waste if Flash were to play SC2. Either way thanks for the interview, it is interesting though that half of the replies here about the article stating that MC is the best, who cares?Just read the contents lol.
Aw, meaning Flash will nv switch to SC2? Oh dear... Big upset for me. I might watch back BW scene to see Flash play again 
On April 30 2011 15:11 Megaliskuu wrote:
Kekek xiao maybe in a few years ^^
Few years? That time I am already old.
What happened to Megalisk???
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On April 30 2011 15:17 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 15:07 Kipsate wrote:On April 30 2011 14:53 XiaoJoyce- wrote:On April 30 2011 14:49 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 30 2011 14:42 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I hope Flash would go SC2 during his peak, not delay so much further... This is my hope aha. But maybe it won't happen? Wat I remember you always being a big BW fan ;; why u want Flash to switch over hes too good for sc2. I am BoxeR fan, Flash fan. BW...no aha. Because that time SC2 is not out. I went watch SC2 at GSL season 2 when I am lucky to find out BoxeR playing in season 2. The 1st SC2 game I have watched is Full set BoxeR vs NesTea where Nestea win 4:0 or 3:0. Anyway BoxeR is 0 . Ah.. Now I totally watch SC2, because better graphic? New game? I wan Flash to be part of it too, so I can support him. If he play SC2 I will not support other players anymore. Only pure Flash keke. There is no incentive for him to go for SC2. Flash makes ~300-400k a year in BW. SC2 is tiny/peanuts in Korea, whereas BW is major(Beyond E-famous). And really, it would be such a waste if Flash were to play SC2. Either way thanks for the interview, it is interesting though that half of the replies here about the article stating that MC is the best, who cares?Just read the contents lol. Aw, meaning Flash will nv switch to SC2? Oh dear... Big upset for me. I might watch back BW scene to see Flash play again Few years? That time I am already old. What happened to Megalisk???
No such thing as too old for sc >.>
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I wonder if the skill ceiling is enough for a player like Flash in sc2? Only time will tell. I'd love to see some old wached up pros that are still capable of amazing games in sc2: Best, Jangbi.
You can't possibly understand how good Flash is if you haven't followed Brood war. For example, Idra played as a pro a couple of years for Estro and then for CJ and I don't think he would have taken a game against Flash even if he got to try 50 times, literally.
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On April 30 2011 11:06 zyzq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:05 DarthXX wrote:On April 30 2011 11:01 On_Slaught wrote:On April 30 2011 10:55 Onlinejaguar wrote:
Saying that Flash would do well in SC2 is kind of an obvious statement. Would have to agree with this. Anybody who has seen a FPVOD of Jaedong or Flash can see they are on a different level than even players like MVP (best bw player to come to sc2). Nada/July? But yeah its a real no brainer if you had to pick someone from BW to do well in SC2 it would be Flash or JD. Nada and July are legends, but past their prime and would have gotten smashed by MVP.
Maybe July, but July coulda beaten him when he was still practicing anyday.
Nada smashed Hyvaa in his last BW game iirc.
July suffered frm lack of practice ( and partly switching from SC2) Nada was honestly sick of playing BW.
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I think Flash loves Brood War too much to even consider switching. I mean, in his interview last year he said that even when he isn't in front of a computer he plays games with himself inside his head. He just loves the game.
He's also making more money on salary alone than he could get from SC2, even if he won every single tournament.
On April 30 2011 13:48 Whitewing wrote:Brood War is basically as figured out as it's going to get
This is just so wrong... ZvZ and ZvT are undergoing major changes right now. Protoss is also seeing a huge resurgence with Bisu and Stork leading the way. ZvZ, normally boring as hell, has had some really exciting matches this year because the matchup is still changing.
+ Show Spoiler +Also, just 2 days ago Jaedong made 20 Queens and won ZvT Mech.
Brood War is still evolving and there is no sign of it stopping.
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On April 30 2011 11:16 Headshot wrote:
Wait, MC actually lost to Hyungjoon? o.O I guess I need to finish that. It was just so 'meh' compred to Nal_rA's Oldboy.
No... i am sure MKP+??? lost to Hyungjoon+shark in a showmatch 2v2, lol was funny
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On April 30 2011 11:17 infinity2k9 wrote:Yeah seriously from a BW perspective MC is a bit of a joke. Any A-team and probably half of the B-team members could play at his SC2 level. I have to say i cringed a bit when he said he'd like people to call him 'god protoss'. I mean seriously what? And yes MVP was definitely the best player to switch. But IrOn wasn't THAT far behind.. MVP got played a lot because of being the only half-decent T on his team, while MC/IrOn was not first choice at all. Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:12 Tazerenix wrote:
Depends on what you mean by best. Is it the best player when they switched or the most accomplished player?
As a basketball analogy, think of Boxer and Nada as Shaq and Duncan while MVP is Zach Randolph. Is Zach Randolph close to being one of the best players in the NBA? No, he isn't. But he's a whole lot better than those two right now. This isn't quite correct though, the thing is MVP was better than Nada or Boxer at their peaks as well. That's just how much skill has progressed over the years.
......MVP was better than Boxer and Nada at their peaks? Do you even know what Starcraft is?
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On April 30 2011 14:04 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 14:00 Musou wrote:On April 30 2011 13:48 Whitewing wrote:On April 30 2011 13:46 dukethegold wrote:
If you are a champion, you need to maintain self-esteem. Of course MC can't admit to others or himself that if Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Stork switched, the current SC2 lineup would be obliterated within three months. It wouldn't, it took the current players a hilariously long time to learn and master all the timings as well as they have, and the game keeps shifting. The differences is, Brood War is basically as figured out as it's going to get, so it's just a question of who has the best mechanics and experience/training with it, SC2 is a long way from getting there, and thus is volatile. So... doesn't matter how good you are, nobody is completely dominating the scene. MC is the closest there is, and he got 2-0'd by Polt in the GSL and got knocked to the up and down matches. Maybe 6 months, maybe not at all. Brood War is figured out? Do you even watch BW? Every time someone makes a statement like that, the matchups get revolutionized again. In the past year alone there have been multiple metagame shifts, with the most recent one being heavy queen play against mech ZvT in the past few weeks. You misunderstood: I didn't say that it is completely figured out, nothing to learn, just that by now, it's about as figured out as it is going to get. There will be new developments, but it's not so much a question of "woah, new shit, this'll take months to figure out how to deal with it" as it is "Okay, this is unusual and unexpected, not really normal, but I've got some good ideas." Sure, there's always a little bit more to learn, but these developments aren't HUGE glaring shifts that massively change everything, people aren't suddenly discovering super effective new cheeses that kill better players really early on, etc., and SC2 is still being patched. There's no question that Flash would be an excellent player of SC2, and definitely has the potential to be one of the best period, but I'm not certain that he'd show up, and in 3 months be winning everything left and right.
You need to go watch some BW. It's probably developing at the same rate SC2 is, maybe even faster. Mech just got owned in the face by queens and terrans are trying to figure out a way to deal. Mech revolution happened a mere 2 years ago, that's like 10 years since BW was made and it's still changing. The list of builds and changes in strategy could probably stretch at least half a page so to say "there's nothing to learn" is clearly being stated by someone who has no idea what's going on in BW. I'd say Flash can roflstomp most (90%) players in the first week and completely dominate everyone by week two just based on pure mechanics. Every chrono boost used, never building up,, never missing a larve inject, mules coming down 100% on time, that's what you should be expecting from the man they call "God".
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On April 30 2011 11:52 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 11:45 intoyourrainbOW wrote:
i think these 1st gen sc2 players are making the most of what they can as fast as possible. if more prominent bw players transfer to sc2, their status would be quickly overshadowed. their timing window for success is closing ever so gradually on a daily basis. they know this in the back of their minds, and as each day passes, they grow that much more fearful. DUN DUN DUN. Prominent players are not going to switch, so it doesn't matter. They are in a fine position... i'd be more worried about the many dedicated youngsters who are willing to put in far more time than the older players.
Eventually, they will switch. It's only a matter of time. Although it won't happen in any longer than 2-3 years imo, and most likely 5 years or so.
The question of they will switch or not also depends on other factors, such as SC2 surviving long enough as an e-sports to get the attention of them and them having the reason for switch...Perhaps going out of form too much, or just getting bored with the game, or just trying out new things..For now as I said I do not think it will happen for a looong time.
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I didn't really watch MVP as a Brood War player, but looking at his stats, his overall record was 39%... How is this good in any way?
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On April 30 2011 15:40 vek wrote:ZvZ and ZvT are undergoing major changes right now.
No it's not, zergs are still trying to rush hive tech if they don't plan to finish the game with mutalisk or hydra bust, and drops- if siege line is too strong.
Protoss is also seeing a huge resurgence with Bisu and Stork leading the way.
Bisu and Stork are not leading protoss like 1 and a half year now, pls. Bisu is barely out of his slump, may be not even.
ZvZ, normally boring as hell, has had some really exciting matches this year because the matchup is still changing.
what is changing exactly?
if both won't go muta, one of them defenses with spores and try to kill with zergling count, or goes econ and make mutas...
Also, just 2 days ago Jaedong made 20 Queens and won ZvT Mech.
this is one of the most known ways to defeat mech. it's not new. but it's hard to pull off, so less players dare to do it, since he is jaedong he has done it properly.
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On April 30 2011 16:15 GolemMadness wrote:
I didn't really watch MVP as a Brood War player, but looking at his stats, his overall record was 39%... How is this good in any way?
If you transplanted Boxer et al in their primes to modern bw, they'd do worse than 39%. The point being, bw has evolved so much from when the past legends earned their legacy that the absolute skill level is much higher. The old legends (except for the hypothetical case of an inspired Nada, maybe) can't and couldn't keep up with the newer generations of players.
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On April 30 2011 16:21 jellyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 16:15 GolemMadness wrote:
I didn't really watch MVP as a Brood War player, but looking at his stats, his overall record was 39%... How is this good in any way? If you transplanted Boxer et al in their primes to modern bw, they'd do worse than 39%. The point being, bw has evolved so much from when the past legends earned their legacy that the absolute skill level is much higher. The old legends (except for the hypothetical case of an inspired Nada, maybe) can't and couldn't keep up with the newer generations of players.
i feel like that's an impossible thing to say. If you took the exact way boxer played in his prime, and dropped him into the modern scene, maybe.
if you took boxer as a person and dropped him in, who's to say he wouldn't work hard enough or have the brilliant insight he needed to be the best there is?
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I'm sorry to anyone I offend -
There have already been some amazing broodwar players to come to sc2. July, Nada, and Boxer have already proven that BW pros can transition.
HOWEVER, this is a different game. If Flash decided to switch, I don't think he would have nearly the same level of success at this point. It's just too different of a game, and the players that are the best right now have proven to be the best consistently in SC2. The game is a bit volatile, and the metagame is changing drastically, but the top players always seem to stay ahead with respect to build orders and strategies.
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On April 30 2011 15:40 vek wrote:I think Flash loves Brood War too much to even consider switching. I mean, in his interview last year he said that even when he isn't in front of a computer he plays games with himself inside his head. He just loves the game. He's also making more money on salary alone than he could get from SC2, even if he won every single tournament. Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 13:48 Whitewing wrote:Brood War is basically as figured out as it's going to get This is just so wrong... ZvZ and ZvT are undergoing major changes right now. Protoss is also seeing a huge resurgence with Bisu and Stork leading the way. ZvZ, normally boring as hell, has had some really exciting matches this year because the matchup is still changing. + Show Spoiler +Also, just 2 days ago Jaedong made 20 Queens and won ZvT Mech. Brood War is still evolving and there is no sign of it stopping.
No, really, those matchups haven't noticably changed, people are still basically doing the same things with minor tweaks. That queen build isn't new either, just rare.
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On April 30 2011 16:17 Belegurth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 15:40 vek wrote:ZvZ and ZvT are undergoing major changes right now.
No it's not, zergs are still trying to rush hive tech if they don't plan to finish the game with mutalisk or hydra bust, and drops- if siege line is too strong. Show nested quote +Protoss is also seeing a huge resurgence with Bisu and Stork leading the way. Bisu and Stork are not leading protoss like 1 and a half year now, pls. Bisu is barely out of his slump, may be not even. Show nested quote + ZvZ, normally boring as hell, has had some really exciting matches this year because the matchup is still changing. what is changing exactly? if both won't go muta, one of them defenses with spores and try to kill with zergling count, or goes econ and make mutas... this is one of the most known ways to defeat mech. it's not new. but it's hard to pull off, since he is jaedong he has done it properly.
Bisu is 8-2 in his last 10 and his only losses were against Flash. That's slumping?
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