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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On April 30 2011 00:50 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote: I decided to test manual click v minimap click and this was the result Thanks for this, it is now quite obvious that you do not have to be precise with your aim on the minimap. | ||
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Mommas Boy
Canada144 Posts
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:39 artanis2 wrote: Thanks for this, it is now quite obvious that you do not have to be precise with your aim on the minimap. I have no idea how he managed that, I have to be pixel perfect. http://i.imgur.com/7saRq.jpg I was clicking on the middle marine on the minimap and no feedbacks went off. It's not something that's useful for feedbacking, since just clicking on the unit will be faster and more accurate. Go into a unit tester and try it yourself. | ||
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:39 artanis2 wrote: Thanks for this, it is now quite obvious that you do not have to be precise with your aim on the minimap. That map you are on is ridiculously tiny. Are you kidding? The Terran ball takes up a third of the map, obviously you don't have to pixel precise. Try it on Shakuras... | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:44 Lobo2me wrote: I have no idea how he managed that, I have to be pixel perfect. http://i.imgur.com/7saRq.jpg I was clicking on the middle marine on the minimap and no feedbacks went off. It's not something that's useful for feedbacking, since just clicking on the unit will be faster and more accurate. Go into a unit tester and try it yourself. Maybe it is enough that you click on a unit near the ghost? Try surrounding the ghosts with marines. (Sorry I can't, I'm at work.) On April 30 2011 06:47 fadestep wrote: That map you are on is ridiculously tiny. Are you kidding? The Terran ball takes up a third of the map, obviously you don't have to pixel precise. Try it on Shakuras... It isn't hard to click on the enemy's color on the minimap. That is all it would take to hit a ghost in the general area. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:48 artanis2 wrote: Maybe it is enough that you click on a unit near the ghost? Try surrounding the ghosts with marines. (Sorry I can't, I'm at work.) It has to be on the unit, the reason it works its because people are clicking like mad men over the comparatively small area the Bioball takes on the map.Add in Medevacs and Banshees and its likely that you will feedback them all. | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:50 windsupernova wrote: It has to be on the unit, the reason it works its because people are clicking like mad men over the comparatively small area the Bioball takes on the map.Add in Medevacs and Banshees and its likely that you will feedback them all. This is completely wrong. Watch the video again. He does _not_ click on a single ghost on the minimap. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:48 artanis2 wrote: Maybe it is enough that you click on a unit near the ghost? Try surrounding the ghosts with marines. (Sorry I can't, I'm at work.) It isn't hard to click on the enemy's color on the minimap. That is all it would take to hit a ghost in the general area. That's what I did in the screenshot, I was able to try to cast feedback on the marine in the middle through the minimap and it wouldn't register. It has to be pixel perfect, I haven't gotten general area to work once, and I doubt the guy that made the video turned on some autoaim for consoles option. | ||
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ReseT
United States273 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
 .But with an obs over your army cloak is pretty much unimportant, have a few hts in the front of the army with a grin on your face waiting for dots to appaer on the minimap, you can shift them asap even if they come from 3 directions ^^. Snipe works the same though. I guess with this revealed sending ghosts or hts first is pretty much hopeless ^^. I tried this in some games and wow ghosts a few grids before the army and no infestor will get close and i thought snipe range was to small xD. as for feedback. My opponent has his medivacs above the army so i only hit those lol. But with the emp nerf and this 200 energy templars > ghosts. PS: fun: mass ghost rip everything via minimap clickspamming ... multiple directions ? who cares. The good thing, it can make stuff look awesome. 3 side attack everything emped perfectly or feedbacked. The bad thing, multiple side attacks are pretty weak with spellcaster around, that can cast super strong aoes as well. (to multipurpose that way for my taste) Another bad thing. you can minimap kill drops. Though the good thing you can minimap drop lol ^^. some good things some bad things, i think its okay all in all. If someone is able to micro over the minimap i allow it. | ||
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Jerax
Canada189 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:51 artanis2 wrote: This is completely wrong. Watch the video again. He does _not_ click on a single ghost on the minimap. Wrong. That unit tester has such a small map that every unit appears way bigger on the minimap than it would on the normal ladder maps, which makes spam clicking the bioball effective. This issue is way overblown and getting way more attention that it deserves. =/ | ||
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MrBoysen
Sweden13 Posts
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stanik
Canada213 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:44 Lobo2me wrote: I have no idea how he managed that, I have to be pixel perfect. http://i.imgur.com/7saRq.jpg I was clicking on the middle marine on the minimap and no feedbacks went off. It's not something that's useful for feedbacking, since just clicking on the unit will be faster and more accurate. Go into a unit tester and try it yourself. The reason it is so easy in that video is because the map size is so small. The box of the ghost is very large on a small map such as that. On a regular map size the representation of the ghost is much smaller on the minimap. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Only if 1) you have more than enough feedbacks for all the ghosts and 2) you never hit the same ghost twice and 3) none of your high templars die. On April 30 2011 06:51 artanis2 wrote: This is completely wrong. Watch the video again. He does _not_ click on a single ghost on the minimap. Yes he did, the ghosts minimap dots are just gigantic. Until he comes back with a similar demonstration on a larger map (Tal'Darim, for example), as he said he would, that video is completely inaccurate. | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
On April 30 2011 06:01 Ziggitz wrote: This is clearly bullshit. Feedback gains a huge advantage using this method because it is the only spell that targets a unit AND discriminates by whether or not the unit has a mana pool. If you think this method isn't far superior then you either haven't seen the MC vs Thorzain games or you're full of shit. There's no way that any other targetable spell can be used effectively with this method because no other spell has the required discriminating factors. The most uncompetitive aspect of this method is that you don't actually have to know or see that there are ghosts in the bio ball to do this since you can spam away and if there aren't any no energy is lost on the templar. I don't think most people would care since minimap injecting is probably one of the shittier methods of doing it I minimap inject. You can do it in just a couple seconds tops like other methods, you don't need to take your eyes off what you're doing, and I don't like taking my hand off of my mouse. Anyways, the way MC did it must have taken a lot of practice and skill or there's an additional trick that we haven't figured out yet that makes it easier. The only alternative is that he's cheating with a turbo function while he drags his mouse about, and that's ludicrous. | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
but i can already tell you that a decent spread counters this very easily. | ||
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Ziggitz
United States340 Posts
On April 30 2011 07:39 Zerokaiser wrote: I minimap inject. You can do it in just a couple seconds tops like other methods, you don't need to take your eyes off what you're doing, and I don't like taking my hand off of my mouse. Anyways, the way MC did it must have taken a lot of practice and skill or there's an additional trick that we haven't figured out yet that makes it easier. The only alternative is that he's cheating with a turbo function while he drags his mouse about, and that's ludicrous. You can inject as many hatches as you like in under a second if you use the base cam hotkey. This is why zerg with a brain has rebound the base cam hotkey from backspace to something more accessible. Besides, I highly doubt you can inject 4+ hatches in 2 seconds on the minimap. | ||
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jbrown7815
United States3 Posts
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On April 30 2011 07:27 TheTenthDoc wrote: Only if 1) you have more than enough feedbacks for all the ghosts and 2) you never hit the same ghost twice and 3) none of your high templars die. Yes he did, the ghosts minimap dots are just gigantic. Until he comes back with a similar demonstration on a larger map (Tal'Darim, for example), as he said he would, that video is completely inaccurate. No, he didn't. He was clicking on the bottom left of the group, and ghosts on the right and top of the ball were getting targeted. There is some auto-targeting going on here. | ||
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lambchops
United States63 Posts
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