Minimap feedback

On April 29 2011 23:58 TangYiChen wrote:
I tried it on the unit test also. It's actually harder to do than you might think. I'm spamming F and clicking vigorously on the minimap where a lot of templar are, and it doesnt't register most of the time

On April 30 2011 00:00 Huragius wrote:
This needs to me fixed. They are making sc2 skill ceiling just ridiculous. Macro is easy already, don't make micro non-existent.
Also, MC isn't as impressive as I thought him to be.

On April 30 2011 00:02 Lobo2me wrote:
Just tested it, and for me it was almost impossible. Just like with Larva Inject, it has to be pixel perfect on the minimap, so trying to target via minimap makes it so much harder.

On April 30 2011 00:11 TedJustice wrote:
Loving the "new trick is found? GET RID OF IT!" attitude everyone suddenly has here.

It definitely sounds neat to me.

On April 30 2011 00:16 Joementum wrote:


Because it's a bullshit trick. Holding shift, f and clicking on the mini map like a madman takes no skill.

On April 30 2011 00:21 Callanish wrote:
So just to make this clear, it doesn't work by just clicking in the general vicinity of the ghosts on the minimap? You have to click on the ghost through the minimap? Because if it autotargets then it's stupid.

On April 30 2011 00:21 Callanish wrote:
So just to make this clear, it doesn't work by just clicking in the general vicinity of the ghosts on the minimap? You have to click on the ghost through the minimap? Because if it autotargets then it's stupid.

On April 30 2011 00:24 windsupernova wrote:


Yes, and its the same with all the spells that target an unit. You have to click on the unit/building. Actually I tried this with a Queen Transfuse and it healed a Zergling t.t

On April 30 2011 00:35 GxZ wrote:
Pretty sure it is the nearest unit to where you click on the mini map.

On April 30 2011 00:35 GxZ wrote:
Pretty sure it is the nearest unit to where you click on the mini map.

On April 30 2011 00:50 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I decided to test manual click v minimap click and this was the result
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY4KvHWFbEM&feature=youtube_gdata

On April 30 2011 00:50 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I decided to test manual click v minimap click and this was the result
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY4KvHWFbEM&feature=youtube_gdata

On April 30 2011 00:50 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I decided to test manual click v minimap click and this was the result
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY4KvHWFbEM&feature=youtube_gdata

On April 30 2011 00:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:


1) That's on a small map. Probably 1/10 the size of Tal Darim and 1/5 the size of the smallest ladder maps. You're thus way more likely to hit the pixels by chance.

2) All the ghosts were clumped up in the middle/back of the ball, not the most likely configuration for battle. They're usually spaced pretty evenly making this technique less effective.

On April 30 2011 00:58 Valckrie wrote:
Hmm i'm guessing you could also use this to snipe HT's? Snipe has +1 range more than feedback but you will need to do it twice as it only does 45 damage. Imo this should be fixed... auto target for feedback is a bit over the top for automation.

On April 30 2011 01:01 Iranon wrote:


You'd end up just sniping random stuff. This works for feedbacking bioballs because there's nothing with energy for the clicks that miss ghosts to hit... except medivacs.

On April 29 2011 23:51 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:
You could make a credible argument that Thorzain would've won that game if MC had missed a few feedbacks...

On April 30 2011 01:05 Valckrie wrote:


Well actually, it will only snipe zealots and templars as they are the only protoss biological units in a normal army. But yeah, it would probably hit alot of zealots rather than templars

On April 30 2011 01:24 Naphal wrote:
i watched the video, obviously no ghost got feedbacked twice, because they died due to their 200/200 energy, but if there are lets say, two BCs on top of the bioball, would the minimapfeedbacks target the BCs multiple times?

in other words, is the feedback smart enough to pick the high energy targets if they so happen to be on the same pixel?

at least i dont have to listen to toss how BS and ezy emp is now ~~

On April 29 2011 23:48 blubbdavid wrote:
nvm I am an idiot and deserve to die

On April 30 2011 01:28 RyanRushia wrote:
kind of curious to try this out. if i have 1 HT and theres 2 infestors within range ont he minimap... one has full energy and one has 20 energy, will the game mechanics know enouh to be able to automatically feedback the higher-energy one? or does it simply go for the closest target?

On April 30 2011 01:26 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:

you can use emp with the mini-map as well.

On April 30 2011 01:35 TanX wrote:
Really, this needs to go.

I don't care if it feedbacks the same unit twice, as it is incredible cheap to use feedback, and considering what you get from it, (gosu feedbacks) it just seems really game breaking.

Can't wait to see a video of it in action on Tal'Darim, then we will see how easy/hard it is. If it is gosu difficult, it would be more acceptable, but considering how fast one can click, I don't see that happening. :o

On April 30 2011 01:28 RyanRushia wrote:
kind of curious to try this out. if i have 1 HT and theres 2 infestors within range ont he minimap... one has full energy and one has 20 energy, will the game mechanics know enouh to be able to automatically feedback the higher-energy one? or does it simply go for the closest target?

On April 30 2011 01:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Just tested again. This can double (or triple, or quadruple) up on feedbacks on the same unit, making it get inefficient pretty quickly in large confrontations especially where medivacs are concerned.

On April 30 2011 02:23 Roaches wrote:
Needs to go.

Even if it's not automatically good in every situation, clearly this is "unintended" (see what I did there?).

On April 30 2011 02:32 Roxy wrote:
I definitely need to practice this
This is awesome
I have been wondering how to do this mroe effectively
Shift-clicking and spam clicking seemed so inefficient to me

Will be able to use this on infestors too

I sure hate being fungaled and empd

Glad the other races dont have many abilities like this that are abusable

Lately I have not even been upgrading the storm ability on my templar.
I find that the deathball gets destroyed by emp and fungal and the feedback is more useful than storm is anyways.

High templar new role:
+ Show Spoiler +

High templar old role:
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 30 2011 02:36 JinDesu wrote:


To be accurate, the old role of High Templar was more like:
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 30 2011 02:39 FliedLice wrote:
In most cases this probably is going to be a huge waste of energy... and then you find yourself without any psi storms

On April 30 2011 02:41 DreamRaider wrote:
someone report to blizzard for removal :/

This makes feedback way too easy

On April 30 2011 00:09 R1CH wrote:
For those of you using unit test maps, you can't target stuff you don't have vision of. Even though you see both players vision circles, the enemy units have to be in vision of your ghosts for example.

On April 30 2011 00:55 Huragius wrote:

LOL. It really needs to go...

On April 30 2011 03:11 tsuxiit wrote:
That's pretty interesting. Seems like if you did this with a spell like Snipe you could get some pretty insane added DPS to your army. I would be pretty surprised if Blizzard didn't take this out of the game though.

On April 30 2011 03:48 Trobot wrote:
Half the point of a ranged spell is forcing you to risk your high-value spellcasters for the potential gain of the spell. In this case, you have to get your High Templar within 9 distance of the ghost in order to cast Feedback, which usually puts the HT in range of the rest of the Terran's army. At the very least, it forces the Protoss to think ahead and put the HT in perfect positioning for an ambush Feedback.

With this glitch/exploit/whatever term you use, all a Protoss has to do is have a handful of High Templar chillaxing back in base, stocking up on mana so that they can Feedback (I figure that this would work for Psionic Storm, as well) units on the opposite side of the map. Couple this with an observer, and you can decimate an opponent's army. For all the detractors supporting this exploit by saying 'it's hard to do, so whatever,' just imagine how hard it ISN'T to do when you have an observer and the enemy has no detection.

A third point to make is that a Protoss no longer has to overproduce High Templar just in case the enemy focus-fires on the HT. All a Protoss has to do is make just enough HT to guarantee perfect feedbacks on the enemy army, and then use the extra population to make his army that much bigger.

It's entirely likely that all these points have been made in the last 6 pages (I only read through the first before I had to throw in my two cents), but still. This needs patched, and pronto.

On April 30 2011 03:48 Trobot wrote:
stocking up on mana so that they can Feedback (I figure that this would work for Psionic Storm, as well) units on the opposite side of the map.

On April 30 2011 03:48 Trobot wrote:
With this glitch/exploit/whatever term you use, all a Protoss has to do is have a handful of High Templar chillaxing back in base, stocking up on mana so that they can Feedback (I figure that this would work for Psionic Storm, as well) units on the opposite side of the map. Couple this with an observer, and you can decimate an opponent's army. For all the detractors supporting this exploit by saying 'it's hard to do, so whatever,' just imagine how hard it ISN'T to do when you have an observer and the enemy has no detection.

On April 30 2011 03:48 Trobot wrote:
With this glitch/exploit/whatever term you use, all a Protoss has to do is have a handful of High Templar chillaxing back in base, stocking up on mana so that they can Feedback (I figure that this would work for Psionic Storm, as well) units on the opposite side of the map. Couple this with an observer, and you can decimate an opponent's army. For all the detractors supporting this exploit by saying 'it's hard to do, so whatever,' just imagine how hard it ISN'T to do when you have an observer and the enemy has no detection.

On April 30 2011 03:48 Trobot wrote:
Half the point of a ranged spell is forcing you to risk your high-value spellcasters for the potential gain of the spell. In this case, you have to get your High Templar within 9 distance of the ghost in order to cast Feedback, which usually puts the HT in range of the rest of the Terran's army. At the very least, it forces the Protoss to think ahead and put the HT in perfect positioning for an ambush Feedback.

With this glitch/exploit/whatever term you use, all a Protoss has to do is have a handful of High Templar chillaxing back in base, stocking up on mana so that they can Feedback (I figure that this would work for Psionic Storm, as well) units on the opposite side of the map. Couple this with an observer, and you can decimate an opponent's army. For all the detractors supporting this exploit by saying 'it's hard to do, so whatever,' just imagine how hard it ISN'T to do when you have an observer and the enemy has no detection.

A third point to make is that a Protoss no longer has to overproduce High Templar just in case the enemy focus-fires on the HT. All a Protoss has to do is make just enough HT to guarantee perfect feedbacks on the enemy army, and then use the extra population to make his army that much bigger.

It's entirely likely that all these points have been made in the last 6 pages (I only read through the first two before I had to throw in my two cents), but still. This needs patched, and pronto.

On April 30 2011 00:16 Joementum wrote:


Because it's a bullshit trick. Holding shift, f and clicking on the mini map like a madman takes no skill.

On April 30 2011 03:48 Trobot wrote:
Half the point of a ranged spell is forcing you to risk your high-value spellcasters for the potential gain of the spell. In this case, you have to get your High Templar within 9 distance of the ghost in order to cast Feedback, which usually puts the HT in range of the rest of the Terran's army. At the very least, it forces the Protoss to think ahead and put the HT in perfect positioning for an ambush Feedback.

With this glitch/exploit/whatever term you use, all a Protoss has to do is have a handful of High Templar chillaxing back in base, stocking up on mana so that they can Feedback (I figure that this would work for Psionic Storm, as well) units on the opposite side of the map. Couple this with an observer, and you can decimate an opponent's army. For all the detractors supporting this exploit by saying 'it's hard to do, so whatever,' just imagine how hard it ISN'T to do when you have an observer and the enemy has no detection.

A third point to make is that a Protoss no longer has to overproduce High Templar just in case the enemy focus-fires on the HT. All a Protoss has to do is make just enough HT to guarantee perfect feedbacks on the enemy army, and then use the extra population to make his army that much bigger.

It's entirely likely that all these points have been made in the last 6 pages (I only read through the first two before I had to throw in my two cents), but still. This needs patched, and pronto.

On April 30 2011 02:41 DreamRaider wrote:
someone report to blizzard for removal :/

This makes feedback way too easy

On April 30 2011 04:05 FenneK wrote:
This is ridiculous. Why would you put this in the game?

On April 30 2011 00:00 Huragius wrote:
This needs to me fixed. They are making sc2 skill ceiling just ridiculous. Macro is easy already, don't make micro non-existent.
Also, MC isn't as impressive as I thought him to be.

On April 30 2011 04:05 FenneK wrote:
This is ridiculous. Why would you put this in the game?

On April 30 2011 01:53 Naphal wrote:


troll very much?

as long as a spell has no target verifier i doubt anyone would use it with the minimap, as it is this tiny detail that allows you to spam 200 times for gosufeedbacking...

i seriously doubt even blizzard knew this was possible xD, if it is intentional, the pros better get cloak and MAD observersnipeskillz (yay more raven + thor / viking)

On April 30 2011 04:08 SONE wrote:


All the responses like this are unbelievable. All players that aren't trying it for themselves, or reading the rest of the thread.

On April 30 2011 04:19 Vessel wrote:


but with emp, even if the toss is spreading his army couldnt you easily use the minimap to target emp each clump of unit pixles? wouldnt this be easier and take less time than doing it on the actual screen because on the minimap the unit clumps are less spread out and therefor less mouse movement?

On April 30 2011 04:20 Crazyeyes wrote:

All you really have to do is watch the video.
Do you honestly think that should be kept in the game?

Like someone else said,
It takes the WHOA! out of micrWHOA!

On April 30 2011 04:22 SONE wrote:


Yes I have watched the video. Let me know when we are playing games on a map that is smaller than steppes of war.

On April 30 2011 05:58 zZygote wrote:
People calling for a "fix" really need to step back and think for a moment how intuitive a person like MC is to find out something this big. If it's possible for a queen to inject via minimap, and templars to feedback doing the same, not only will you deprive the Protoss but the Zerg as well.

Think twice before you make silly assumptions that it's in need of a "fix".

On April 30 2011 05:36 JerKy wrote:
Wait, I'm confused
If I click once, does that equal one feedback?
So if I spam click feedback, I could potentially get rid of all the ghosts?

On April 30 2011 00:50 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I decided to test manual click v minimap click and this was the result
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY4KvHWFbEM&feature=youtube_gdata

On April 30 2011 05:58 zZygote wrote:
People calling for a "fix" really need to step back and think for a moment how intuitive a person like MC is to find out something this big. If it's possible for a queen to inject via minimap, and templars to feedback doing the same, not only will you deprive the Protoss but the Zerg as well.

Think twice before you make silly assumptions that it's in need of a "fix".

On April 30 2011 05:58 zZygote wrote:
People calling for a "fix" really need to step back and think for a moment how intuitive a person like MC is to find out something this big. If it's possible for a queen to inject via minimap, and templars to feedback doing the same, not only will you deprive the Protoss but the Zerg as well.

Think twice before you make silly assumptions that it's in need of a "fix".

On April 30 2011 06:05 ihavetofartosis wrote:

Yeah I think we can all agree that this is lame. Takes away any neat micro, anyone can spam-click a clump of units.

On April 30 2011 06:13 Lunchador wrote:
You can do the same thing with queen larva inject via minimap. And let me tell you, that method is highly inefficient because you'll miss the hatchery square so many times and get frustrated. Now, imagine aiming for those red pixels. This won't become big, I'm sure.

On April 30 2011 06:13 Lunchador wrote:
You can do the same thing with queen larva inject via minimap. And let me tell you, that method is highly inefficient because you'll miss the hatchery square so many times and get frustrated. Now, imagine aiming for those red pixels. This won't become big, I'm sure.

On April 30 2011 00:50 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I decided to test manual click v minimap click and this was the result
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY4KvHWFbEM&feature=youtube_gdata

On April 30 2011 06:39 artanis2 wrote:


Thanks for this, it is now quite obvious that you do not have to be precise with your aim on the minimap.

On April 30 2011 06:39 artanis2 wrote:


Thanks for this, it is now quite obvious that you do not have to be precise with your aim on the minimap.

On April 30 2011 06:44 Lobo2me wrote:

I have no idea how he managed that, I have to be pixel perfect.

http://i.imgur.com/7saRq.jpg

I was clicking on the middle marine on the minimap and no feedbacks went off. It's not something that's useful for feedbacking, since just clicking on the unit will be faster and more accurate. Go into a unit tester and try it yourself.

On April 30 2011 06:47 fadestep wrote:


That map you are on is ridiculously tiny. Are you kidding? The Terran ball takes up a third of the map, obviously you don't have to pixel precise. Try it on Shakuras...

On April 30 2011 06:48 artanis2 wrote:


Maybe it is enough that you click on a unit near the ghost? Try surrounding the ghosts with marines. (Sorry I can't, I'm at work.)

On April 30 2011 06:50 windsupernova wrote:


It has to be on the unit, the reason it works its because people are clicking like mad men over the comparatively small area the Bioball takes on the map.Add in Medevacs and Banshees and its likely that you will feedback them all.

On April 30 2011 06:48 artanis2 wrote:


Maybe it is enough that you click on a unit near the ghost? Try surrounding the ghosts with marines. (Sorry I can't, I'm at work.)



It isn't hard to click on the enemy's color on the minimap. That is all it would take to hit a ghost in the general area.

On April 30 2011 06:51 artanis2 wrote:


This is completely wrong. Watch the video again. He does _not_ click on a single ghost on the minimap.

On April 30 2011 06:44 Lobo2me wrote:

I have no idea how he managed that, I have to be pixel perfect.

http://i.imgur.com/7saRq.jpg

I was clicking on the middle marine on the minimap and no feedbacks went off. It's not something that's useful for feedbacking, since just clicking on the unit will be faster and more accurate. Go into a unit tester and try it yourself.

On April 30 2011 06:02 windsupernova wrote:


Yes and yeah.

On April 30 2011 06:51 artanis2 wrote:


This is completely wrong. Watch the video again. He does _not_ click on a single ghost on the minimap.

On April 30 2011 06:01 Ziggitz wrote:
This is clearly bullshit. Feedback gains a huge advantage using this method because it is the only spell that targets a unit AND discriminates by whether or not the unit has a mana pool. If you think this method isn't far superior then you either haven't seen the MC vs Thorzain games or you're full of shit.

There's no way that any other targetable spell can be used effectively with this method because no other spell has the required discriminating factors. The most uncompetitive aspect of this method is that you don't actually have to know or see that there are ghosts in the bio ball to do this since you can spam away and if there aren't any no energy is lost on the templar.




I don't think most people would care since minimap injecting is probably one of the shittier methods of doing it

On April 30 2011 07:39 Zerokaiser wrote:


I minimap inject. You can do it in just a couple seconds tops like other methods, you don't need to take your eyes off what you're doing, and I don't like taking my hand off of my mouse.



Anyways, the way MC did it must have taken a lot of practice and skill or there's an additional trick that we haven't figured out yet that makes it easier. The only alternative is that he's cheating with a turbo function while he drags his mouse about, and that's ludicrous.

On April 30 2011 07:27 TheTenthDoc wrote:


Only if 1) you have more than enough feedbacks for all the ghosts and 2) you never hit the same ghost twice and 3) none of your high templars die.


Yes he did, the ghosts minimap dots are just gigantic. Until he comes back with a similar demonstration on a larger map (Tal'Darim, for example), as he said he would, that video is completely inaccurate.

On April 30 2011 12:36 artanis2 wrote:


No, he didn't. He was clicking on the bottom left of the group, and ghosts on the right and top of the ball were getting targeted. There is some auto-targeting going on here.

On April 30 2011 06:19 MrCon wrote:

Just think about this. A T and a P army are about to fight, they are waiting for a good position. During this time, the P selects all his templars, spam f click on the terran blob. 4 templars starts heading toward the T ball, you wait a little then engage. Easy life.

On April 30 2011 13:36 artanis2 wrote:
I played with it a bit and the minimap targeting is easy to examine. As soon as feedback is selected, the cursor will flash when it is held near an enemy dot on the minimap, if that unit has energy. The radius seems to be about 3-4 unit widths. I was able to kill a ball of 20 ghosts by clicking on the same exact point 20 times.

On April 30 2011 14:08 Lobo2me wrote:

What map are you testing it on? I had to hit it pixel perfect, just like with hatchery inject.

On May 01 2011 14:41 Rabiator wrote:
IMO Feedback needs a chance to "misfire" like most other spells (Snipe is the one exception, but it has another limitations) so you HAVE TO target it on the battlefield. Misfiring could be "cast in on any unit, even ones without energy". The purple bars for energy are a good indicator to help aiming anyways, but autoaiming via minimap is ridiculous (does it autoaim if you click close to a targetable unit on the battlefield but not on top of it?).

On May 12 2011 00:47 TenSafeFrogs wrote:
In big games like 3v3/4v4 this is horrible.. big maps = easier to target units on the minimap, which means it's easily spammable to target all the units in someone's army, which makes it extremely powerful.

Couple this with the thor change from the last patch (they have energy again) and it's amazingly powerful vs. Terran in late game.

On August 30 2014 17:13 Loccstana wrote:
Holy necro batman. 3 years... I think this is a new record.