Patch 1.3.3 PTR - Page 89

On April 27 2011 02:44 Trawler wrote:
Patch 1.1.0: Zealot build time increased from 33 to 38.

They did this because 2gate was too strong on maps like Stepps of War.

Patch 1.3.3: Zealot train time decreased from 38 to 33.

... Now when Zelots will train as fast as they did when they we're imballenced we still have stepps of war, in form of Close postition spawns. I think toss will just overrun ppl in the begining of the game. Or even proxy more often. Poor zergs, all I have to say.

On April 27 2011 02:45 Golgotha wrote:



we just cant fast expand as much. instead go into speedling expand.

On April 27 2011 02:45 Golgotha wrote:
we just cant fast expand as much. instead go into speedling expand.

On April 26 2011 11:20 Jimbo77 wrote:
Balance

PROTOSS

Archons are now a massive unit.
This is a good change to see as archons were underused and what little use we saw of them evaporated with the nerf to the HT. They were simply a byproduct of an energyless HT.

The thing about archons is that they morph so slow that in any battle that they would have been useful, the battle is over (victory or defeat) before the archon actually transforms. Because of this, you enter a battle with HT that can storm OR Archons. It is very rarely one then the other.

Im interested to see how this will play against a bio terran army. I think that archons will be a huge damage tank (especially with the 100 limit to how much EMP can do to sheilds). I'm not sure if they will be worth the cost of 150/450 gas just to be cannon fodder though (granted more effective fodder than previously).

As archons were rarely (if ever) the optimal unit for attacking zerg, I dont think this will have any effect on this matchup. The thing about units that are effectively melee against zerg is that melee units take damage that would otherwise not be dealt (because of forcefeilds keeping part of the zerg army out of firing range). Having melee units in your protoss ball provides no net gain.

IMO, archons need a little more love from blizzard


Pylon power radius has been decreased from 7.5 to 6.5.

I think this will help to reduce the effectiveness of the 4-gate as well as prevent lots of canon cheese that you see in games. I’m worried that this may make the protoss base more cluttered as it is harder to place buildings and warp units in around those buildings. Should be a negligable difference that can be mitigated with a bit of practice and planning.

I think a more appropriate change would be to now allow pylons to power the high ground (low ground is fine though)


Cybernetics Core

- Research Warp Gate time increased from 140 to 180

Gateway

- Sentry train time decreased from 42 to 37.
- Stalker train time decreased from 42 to 37.
- Zealot train time decreased from 38 to 33.
- Warp Gate unit train times remain unchanged.

This is a profound change that will change nearly every aspect of the early protoss game. Entire build orders and timings will need to be reworked. Whether this is optimal or not, is too early to tell. This is a huge setback as far as protoss metagame goes because all strategies will need to be reworked for timing purposes.

Having said that, I like the possibility that we will have the oportunity to put some early pressure on terran and zerg.

As a protoss, I have found that it seems that terran and zerg can take a fast expansion essentially for free (as in, if we all-in 4-gate the fast expansion from the T or Z, if they don’t make some huge mistake, they WILL stop the 4-gate.

I don’t agree with the cheese possibilities of the zealot time reduction, but I think that the early pressure that we will be able to put on will be able to punish a zerg who goes for a 14 hatch or a terran that gets a 15 CC or goes for a straight banshee rush – who knows, maybe Sjow is going to have to start scouting before the 7 minute mark now :D

TERRAN

Ghost
- Cost changed from 150/150 to 200/100.

I understand that ghosts are not as effective as they used to be, but I still think they are more effective than they aught to be.

Terran is already the least gas heavy race, and this change only allows them to further exploit the fact that two bases gives them enough gas to fill out all of their tech trees with a balanced army.

Other races, (off of two bases) need to make choices. 2 bases supports 4 gates and 1 robo. 2 bases supports roach hydra OR muta OR roach infestor

Im also scared of the early timing attacks that this might introduce in tandem with the delayed warp gate time.

I think that the reduced gas cost is to help the TvZ matchup and the infestor strength (a topic I am not qualified to discuss).

Salvage resource return reduced from 100% to 75%.

Its about time this change took effect. 100% salvage was ridiculous. This will punish cheese with a marginal loss for the terran player.


ZERG

Spore Crawler

Root time decreased from 12 to 6.

This will help them defend against early air pressure. Seems fine to me, I don’t imagine this will have any huge impact on the game.



Bug Fixes

Fixed a bug where Ghosts could not quickly EMP the same location.

Fixed a bug where players were still able to stack flying units on top of each other.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662

IMO Ghost cost change is a little buff.
And zerg buff once again. Nothing concerning expected infestors nerf, sadly.

On April 27 2011 02:51 clusen wrote:

You can't expand fast anyway on maps where this can get problematic.

Or do you fast expand at Slag Shit or DQ?

And 4Gate got nerfed in that matchup.

On April 27 2011 02:45 Golgotha wrote:



we just cant fast expand as much. instead go into speedling expand.

On April 27 2011 02:48 Trawler wrote:


This, is in itself a hugh nerf to zerg.

On April 27 2011 02:53 StoLiVe wrote:
I think he didn't say those map because most of the zerg veto those map xD

On April 27 2011 02:21 Haydin wrote:


What about using queens with your spores/in addition to them? You could ferry them out with OLs or nydus. They also have fantastic AA range vs collo and VRs, and can also heal spores/each other, as well as any broodlords or ultras you have.

On April 27 2011 02:58 Velr wrote:
I could be wrong here, but wasn't the last time the Zealot was -5 secs before the Roach range buff?

This could make the 2 Gate expand way harder to actually hold and make it pretty risky? (if you seriously have gone 2 gate pressure before it).

On April 27 2011 02:52 Roxy wrote:
This is my analysis of the PTR patch from a masters protoss perspective

On April 27 2011 03:06 superxmikey wrote:
The pylon radius nerf seems a little strange.

Rather, what blizzard should do is allow buildings to be placed still in the 7.5 range and units cannot spawn after the 6.5 range. Honestly, this coding should not be difficult and 2 rings can indicate the unit spawn and building placement, maybe darker ring for units?

But changing the radius of the pylon is an easier fix so.... laziness?

Or better yet, keep the build times the same for gateways. Add a benefit to warpgate research. Not only does it reduce the build time in gateways by 10 seconds, it gives you the ability to warp them in anywhere at the longer cool down.
Damn, this idea is pretty good...