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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong.
It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully.
Resistentialism
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada688 Posts
May 10 2011 03:15 GMT
#4341
Except for medivacs, which can heal even during combat, where it matters the most.
KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
May 10 2011 03:27 GMT
#4342
On May 10 2011 12:03 Jimbo77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 11:59 KnightOfNi wrote:
As much as I don't really want to get involved in this conversation, there is one additional thing that needs to be noted about ghosts:

In ANY situation in TvP, a ghost EMP will cause hundreds of damage to the protoss ball, thanks to the shields being nuked. This can have a substantially more harmful effect on the protoss army than even losing the ability to storm, especially since storm is avoidable with optimal micro. Having marauders and vikings (or even tank/thor/hellion/banshee) have to do say 800 less damage to the protoss army is between 40 and 80 marauder shots... which is a lot. People saying that taking the shields off the protoss army is a "bonus" seem to not have explored the potential of that ability.

Shields regenerate quite fast. HP, taken off by storm, never.


Shields don't regenerate in battle though, and the kind of EMP usage that I was talking about is when you EMP right at the beginning (or right before) a battle - meaning they don't have a chance to regen. I think QXC mentioned it once on the daily or something that he got ghosts early in his drop harass openings because it does a guaranteed 240 damage with the one spell - and this only compounds in the late game.
RIP eSTRO :(
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 10 2011 07:31 GMT
#4343
Wow, blizzard really hates air units stacking...
but air units still stack if you issue them to move somewhere or attack some target, right?
Else that would be pretty bad for mutalisks.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 07:42:51
May 10 2011 07:38 GMT
#4344
On May 10 2011 16:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
Wow, blizzard really hates air units stacking...
but air units still stack if you issue them to move somewhere or attack some target, right?
Else that would be pretty bad for mutalisks.

I hope they notice that the Thor anti-air attack becomes ever more useless with that kind of nerf, but then they probably hate the Thor altogether because they give it back the energy without any method of using it apart from a 150 energy ability. The stupid thing is they even have energy without having the upgrade to use the strike cannon (just like BCs).

On May 10 2011 12:15 Resistentialism wrote:
Except for medivacs, which can heal even during combat, where it matters the most.

This kind of remark might be relevant if Medivacs had AOE heal and would heal all bio in range. Since they only heal one target at a time you cant really compare it to shield regeneration which happens for all units individually (and which doesnt cost 100/100 for every few units to have it in the first place).
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
rbx270j
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
May 10 2011 07:51 GMT
#4345
On May 10 2011 09:00 Jimbo77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Infestors without FG can only make infested terrans and when they're out of energy they can't do anything.

It's not the reason.
By the way, inf terrans from 4-5 infestors are damn good kill all your workers within few seconds, especially considering they can be spawn from borrow state.


Well, to be fair, Infested Terran usually take longer to spawn than a decent player takes to notice them. And if the Z player has 4-5 infestors away from his army, that is a huge risk for the army and for the infestors themselves.
Philip2110
Profile Joined April 2010
Scotland798 Posts
May 10 2011 07:54 GMT
#4346
On May 10 2011 12:03 Jimbo77 wrote:

Shields regenerate quite fast. HP, taken off by storm, never.


Your right, medivacs dont exist
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Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
May 10 2011 09:33 GMT
#4347
Shields can regenerate, true, but realize the implication of your statement. If a Protoss invests in a battle, gets hit by EMP, and decides to withdraw just to regenerate his shields, imagine the colossal loss of units because Terran will have concussive shells and superior mobility. Solid EMPs would eliminate the chance of Forcefield too. I just don't like how EMP strips Protoss of every aspect of their strategy in every situation. You're right, you can't "kill" with Ghosts, but they require far less investment (2-3 Ghosts vs 7-8 HTs) and one good feedback does not equal one good EMP.
The more you know, the less you understand.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 13:12:45
May 10 2011 13:11 GMT
#4348
On May 10 2011 18:33 Cloak wrote:
Shields can regenerate, true, but realize the implication of your statement. If a Protoss invests in a battle, gets hit by EMP, and decides to withdraw just to regenerate his shields, imagine the colossal loss of units because Terran will have concussive shells and superior mobility. Solid EMPs would eliminate the chance of Forcefield too. I just don't like how EMP strips Protoss of every aspect of their strategy in every situation. You're right, you can't "kill" with Ghosts, but they require far less investment (2-3 Ghosts vs 7-8 HTs) and one good feedback does not equal one good EMP.

I don't like Forcefields stripping Every Race of every aspect of their strategy in every situation either. Yo tosses got your buffs this patch we got ours, and nerfs 1.3.3 probably going live today so no good complaining
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ridonkulous
Profile Joined May 2011
159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 13:14:36
May 10 2011 13:14 GMT
#4349
since the patch is out now, are there any "unlisted" patch changes?
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
May 10 2011 13:14 GMT
#4350
On May 10 2011 22:14 ridonkulous wrote:
hey guys are there any "unlisted" patch changes?

Apparently they messed up the match making and achievements
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Vinski
Profile Joined November 2010
505 Posts
May 10 2011 13:20 GMT
#4351
Shoot I can't even sign in how dissapointing :/
"Sound is in a bad marriage, instead of divorcing her and keeping half your shit, he just committed suicide"
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
May 10 2011 13:36 GMT
#4352
Patch days are rough. Gonna watch nasl vods that I never watch hehe
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
May 10 2011 14:25 GMT
#4353
On May 10 2011 22:11 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 18:33 Cloak wrote:
Shields can regenerate, true, but realize the implication of your statement. If a Protoss invests in a battle, gets hit by EMP, and decides to withdraw just to regenerate his shields, imagine the colossal loss of units because Terran will have concussive shells and superior mobility. Solid EMPs would eliminate the chance of Forcefield too. I just don't like how EMP strips Protoss of every aspect of their strategy in every situation. You're right, you can't "kill" with Ghosts, but they require far less investment (2-3 Ghosts vs 7-8 HTs) and one good feedback does not equal one good EMP.

I don't like Forcefields stripping Every Race of every aspect of their strategy in every situation either. Yo tosses got your buffs this patch we got ours, and nerfs 1.3.3 probably going live today so no good complaining


We both know that's not true. Never does it cross my mind that since there's Forcefields in the battle, Protoss auto-wins. It always comes out almost dead even, even with the brokeness of Forcefields. Not complaining about the change, just explaining the Ghost/HT dynamic. Only thing I'll complain about is the uncompensated Warpgate nerf that was meant to fix PvP but will probably do more damage to the other matchups.
The more you know, the less you understand.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 10 2011 14:25 GMT
#4354
On May 10 2011 16:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
Wow, blizzard really hates air units stacking...
but air units still stack if you issue them to move somewhere or attack some target, right?
Else that would be pretty bad for mutalisks.


It's not the stacking while attacking their are trying to get rid of. It's the stationary stacking to hide the number of units.

I think it's kind of stupid but whatever.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 10 2011 14:41 GMT
#4355
Imagine if this patch goes live for the rest of the world before the TSL3 finals. That would sure fuck things up... especially with thorzains style of TvP.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 10 2011 14:43 GMT
#4356
On May 10 2011 23:41 On_Slaught wrote:
Imagine if this patch goes live for the rest of the world before the TSL3 finals. That would sure fuck things up... especially with thorzains style of TvP.

Patch will be up by then. It's also going to be up before the GSL finals which is even stranger considering the GSL is Blizzard's flagship esport competition.
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ShrikeG
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada75 Posts
May 10 2011 14:45 GMT
#4357
The NA server just patched for me, so the rest of the world will follow sometime today I assume.
But only the weak, they lack the passion to prevail, but not us, only the weak.
quaffle
Profile Joined December 2010
United States249 Posts
May 10 2011 14:49 GMT
#4358
On May 10 2011 23:43 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 23:41 On_Slaught wrote:
Imagine if this patch goes live for the rest of the world before the TSL3 finals. That would sure fuck things up... especially with thorzains style of TvP.

Patch will be up by then. It's also going to be up before the GSL finals which is even stranger considering the GSL is Blizzard's flagship esport competition.

I totally agree, though maybe they want the patch to get some immediate 'main-stream' publicity to it? I have no idea what I just said means... it sounded right in my mind.
Your success is only measured by the strength of your competitors.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 10 2011 14:51 GMT
#4359
On May 10 2011 23:43 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 23:41 On_Slaught wrote:
Imagine if this patch goes live for the rest of the world before the TSL3 finals. That would sure fuck things up... especially with thorzains style of TvP.

Patch will be up by then. It's also going to be up before the GSL finals which is even stranger considering the GSL is Blizzard's flagship esport competition.


This is pretty terrible on Blizzards part.

This ofc assumes that both the GSL and TSL have talked to Blizzard about this and they have still decided to release the patch before them.

It really hurts the legitimacy of those 2 finals, imo, since neither are mirrors and both will be greatly affected by the changes.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 10 2011 14:54 GMT
#4360
There are always tournaments going on. It's not like the patch is blindsiding anyone, we all knew what was coming.
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