EPTWas it a mass promotion day? Blizzard deciding to rebalance the leagues? Did they do something special or is there something about the way the current season works after a reset that made the promotions all come at once?
Just curious.
Promotion day on battle net?
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Drlemur
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Was it a mass promotion day? Blizzard deciding to rebalance the leagues? Did they do something special or is there something about the way the current season works after a reset that made the promotions all come at once? Just curious. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
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DeepBlu2
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I stayed in gold and I laddered like 40 games. On April 22 2011 00:13 Excalibur_Z wrote: Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I stayed in gold and I laddered like 40 games. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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DeepBlu2
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On April 22 2011 00:13 Excalibur_Z wrote: Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.best-horror-movies.com/image-files/poltergeist-theyre-here.jpg) | ||
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Nerski
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Kokujin
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terribly flawed that post patch, players in teams of 3 or 2 playing 4v4 are now ranked individually in 4v4 | ||
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Tenks
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SDream
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On April 22 2011 00:13 Excalibur_Z wrote: Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know something!! Spit it!! | ||
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Chinchillin
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Excalibur_Z
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On April 22 2011 00:21 Nerski wrote: Could also be related to some sort of influx of players playing placement matches or starting the game. Since the leagues are a relative breakdown % based on MMR thresholds, unless they moved the thresholds without patching the game i'd think the former more likely then the later. They have the ability to do this (change the thresholds without a patch) and this is basically what happened. I don't know how much more I can say on that but I'm surprised that people were able to pick up on it so quickly. | ||
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MBH
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Also, put a regular version of SC2 under your pillow and when you wake up tomorrow, you'll find a brand new collectors edition with a already included GM account! Huray!!! | ||
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pinnacle
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meep
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bentski
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On April 22 2011 00:24 Excalibur_Z wrote: They have the ability to do this (change the thresholds without a patch) and this is basically what happened. I don't know how much more I can say on that but I'm surprised that people were able to pick up on it so quickly. Hmm interesting... Excalibur, can you tell us which leagues had their thresholds changed? I assume it's mostly just the lower leagues, since sc2ranks.com still shows like %40 Bronze in NA, which is probably a lot higher than it should be... while the middle leagues are somewhat underrepresented. I've been trying to get into Masters since the patch, but I've noticed it went from like 6% to 3.5% over the past few weeks, so I assume it is also still overrepresented... did they push the mmr threshold for Masters up even more? | ||
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Cyn.ful
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 But yeah I also heard a couple of my friends getting promoted on Wednesday as well. I guess it is true :o | ||
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Innovation
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meep
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Tenks
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On April 22 2011 00:29 bentski wrote: Hmm interesting... Excalibur, can you tell us which leagues had their thresholds changed? I assume it's mostly just the lower leagues, since sc2ranks.com still shows like %40 Bronze in NA, which is probably a lot higher than it should be... while the middle leagues are somewhat underrepresented. I've been trying to get into Masters since the patch, but I've noticed it went from like 6% to 3.5% over the past few weeks, so I assume it is also still overrepresented... did they push the mmr threshold for Masters up even more? I am in Diamond and a ton of people on my ladder got moved out. | ||
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Floydian
United Kingdom374 Posts
On April 22 2011 00:24 Excalibur_Z wrote: They have the ability to do this (change the thresholds without a patch) and this is basically what happened. I don't know how much more I can say on that but I'm surprised that people were able to pick up on it so quickly. Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but how do you know all this? o.0 | ||
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Rotodyne
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shablaman
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Icx
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But what is blizzard's reasoning for this actually? I haven't looked to closely at the sc2ranks stats, but the league distribution overall looked kinda normal in comparison to season 1. Or is this the after-effect off the GM league (200 people cut out of master's, so they changed the leagues slightly to accomodate for that), or is it just a complete guess for yourself to? | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On April 22 2011 00:22 Kokujin wrote: It's always been like that. Myself and two friends did 4v4s with one random and I got placed into Gold Random 4v4. I thought it was weird too.terribly flawed that post patch, players in teams of 3 or 2 playing 4v4 are now ranked individually in 4v4 | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
Also, has anyone got a screenshot of the demotion screen? Really want to see one. | ||
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Kokujin
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xSixGeneralHan
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
It would make alot of sense as they always ban in waves, and it would free up alot of spaces on the higher leagues. They usually announce when they have done some mass banning, but perhaps they are changing their strategy and doing it quietly now. | ||
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aderum
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On April 22 2011 00:31 Floydian wrote: Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but how do you know all this? o.0 Blizzard talks to alot of pros and big names in the community, so i guess they have told him something | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On April 22 2011 00:29 bentski wrote: Hmm interesting... Excalibur, can you tell us which leagues had their thresholds changed? I assume it's mostly just the lower leagues, since sc2ranks.com still shows like %40 Bronze in NA, which is probably a lot higher than it should be... while the middle leagues are somewhat underrepresented. I've been trying to get into Masters since the patch, but I've noticed it went from like 6% to 3.5% over the past few weeks, so I assume it is also still overrepresented... did they push the mmr threshold for Masters up even more? SC2Ranks still doesn't have the updated numbers, and it may not for a few days (Bronze especially is updated less frequently than the rest). I'd imagine that the thresholds were readjusted to smooth out the league populations though. The biggest difference will probably be shrinking Bronze and building up Gold through Master. I do know that the thresholds for teams were changed (or are being changed very soon) and will no longer mirror the solo thresholds. This is probably going to put a lot more arranged teams (especially in the 3v3 and 4v4 brackets) into Diamond and Master so we don't get anymore silliness like 2-3 teams in total in Master league. | ||
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bentski
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On April 22 2011 00:51 Excalibur_Z wrote: SC2Ranks still doesn't have the updated numbers, and it may not for a few days (Bronze especially is updated less frequently than the rest). I'd imagine that the thresholds were readjusted to smooth out the league populations though. The biggest difference will probably be shrinking Bronze and building up Gold through Master. Hmm yea this is what I suspected (I assumed SC2Ranks wasn't completely up to date). Thanks for the info  Although I feel like Masters is still over-represented like Bronze, so I assumed it would be pushing some Masters/Diamonds down and pushing Bronze/Silvers up a bit to populate the middle more... but we'll have see what happens over the next fews days! | ||
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shinarit
Hungary900 Posts
On April 22 2011 00:36 moltenlead wrote: Also, has anyone got a screenshot of the demotion screen? Really want to see one. Umm, no screenshot, but when i played my season2 placement match i got demoted, and as far as i can tell its the same: congratulations etc.etc. you got placed here. If the no-placement demotion/promotion message is something else than nevermind. | ||
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Aequos
Canada606 Posts
On April 22 2011 01:05 shinarit wrote: Umm, no screenshot, but when i played my season2 placement match i got demoted, and as far as i can tell its the same: congratulations etc.etc. you got placed here. If the no-placement demotion/promotion message is something else than nevermind. The "demotion screen" says something like "based upon our numbers, you have been reclassified to this league (then shows a picture of the league below and gives some sort of name)." | ||
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ZasZ.
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Was wondering why they were in such quick succession and only after a couple games. | ||
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windsupernova
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Feels bad man | ||
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NoobieOne
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On April 22 2011 01:08 Aequos wrote: The "demotion screen" says something like "based upon our numbers, you have been reclassified to this league (then shows a picture of the league below and gives some sort of name)." yea a long time ago when i was demoted to silver (long time ago i'm diamond now) it was different than the placement match one | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
you end up being promoted.. and you notice more often people who are promoted/occurences of promotion. but its really just the same rate of promotion (think about this, why would it change for particular days? makes no sense). just like if you get your license and drive with learner plates, you suddenly see everyone with learner plates, notice them more often etc etc. | ||
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Qwix
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shaippen
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On April 22 2011 01:20 andrewwiggin wrote: lol its just a psychological trick on yourself bro. you end up being promoted.. and you notice more often people who are promoted/occurences of promotion. but its really just the same rate of promotion (think about this, why would it change for particular days? makes no sense). just like if you get your license and drive with learner plates, you suddenly see everyone with learner plates, notice them more often etc etc. Excalibur_Z pretty much confirmed on the first page that blizzard did tweak some values sooo.. | ||
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IamaGrapeMan
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muffley
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![[image loading]](http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp260/muffley/StatsusTeamsbyLeague1v1-1.png) From top down, bronze lost a lot of people, which is unprecedented. Silver and gold both gained a significant amount of people. Platinum gained a little, but this could be the normal gain and not due to any Blizzard shenanigans. Diamond went up a touch. Masters didn't move. | ||
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dafnay
Angola375 Posts
On April 22 2011 01:43 IamaGrapeMan wrote: blizzard said that once you are set in league you stay in that league for at least a week no matter what. so that might explain why you and all your friends got promoted. False , on my second account I started bronze 2 days ago and I'm platinium now | ||
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aquanda
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On April 22 2011 01:43 IamaGrapeMan wrote: blizzard said that once you are set in league you stay in that league for at least a week no matter what. so that might explain why you and all your friends got promoted. I got promoted from Diamond to Masters on my smurf in about 2 hours...so I doubt it. | ||
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Alejandrisha
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Was there a Battle.net blue on this or was it just your starsense? | ||
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Dagobert
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Excalibur_Z
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On April 22 2011 01:55 Alejandrisha wrote: Excaliber the Ben Bernanke of the of SC2 ladder :D Was there a Battle.net blue on this or was it just your starsense? I'm not saying I have a secret spy camera in Blizzard's conference rooms, but I'm not not saying that either :O Hopefully they'll announce something so that it's more official and clues people in to what exactly is happening (I can understand if they don't say that they shifted the league boundaries [esp for Bronze] though). | ||
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tnkted
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Phinix
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On April 22 2011 02:16 Excalibur_Z wrote: I'm not saying I have a secret spy camera in Blizzard's conference rooms, but I'm not not saying that either :O Hopefully they'll announce something so that it's more official and clues people in to what exactly is happening (I can understand if they don't say that they shifted the league boundaries [esp for Bronze] though). Do you have any further speculation for us, Excalibur_Z? Would you think it likely that the Diamond league's threshold was dropped as well, considering their former 13.6% distribution in NA? (Current SC2 ranks data - I'm banking off of the update lag. Heheh) | ||
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SDream
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On April 22 2011 02:29 Phinix wrote: Do you have any further speculation for us, Excalibur_Z? Would you think it likely that the Diamond league's threshold was dropped as well, considering their former 13.6% distribution in NA? (Current SC2 ranks data - I'm banking off of the update lag. Heheh) I'd think that for some reason bronze were getting way more than the 20% of active population and they just fixed that. The design was probably to have a 20%/20%/etc between leagues, but they didn't realized that the system would tend to do this and that and bronze would end up with way more than intended, and now they just "fixed" it so bronze could finally be no more than 20% of active population? Just speculation though! | ||
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purecarnagge
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some people just got that timing down. I don't like to chronoboost warpgate and I find 99% of everyone else drops 3 chrono's on it which makes me sadface as I go for probes hoping that it finishes intime and I can hold ramp with FF | ||
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AeonStrife
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I don't like it...it must be some sort of evil plan... | ||
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Phinix
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On April 22 2011 02:33 SDream wrote: I'd think that for some reason bronze were getting way more than the 20% of active population and they just fixed that. The design was probably to have a 20%/20%/etc between leagues, but they didn't realized that the system would tend to do this and that and bronze would end up with way more than intended, and now they just "fixed" it so bronze could finally be no more than 20% of active population? Just speculation though! If I understood correctly, the plan was indeed to distribute leagues as 2/18/20/20/20/20 (Masters/Diamond/Plat/etc.etc.etc). Bronze was way over-saturated, according to SC2ranks, though I don't know how much Blizzard's "Active" data differed. | ||
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Rotodyne
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On April 22 2011 01:20 andrewwiggin wrote: lol its just a psychological trick on yourself bro. you end up being promoted.. and you notice more often people who are promoted/occurences of promotion. but its really just the same rate of promotion (think about this, why would it change for particular days? makes no sense). just like if you get your license and drive with learner plates, you suddenly see everyone with learner plates, notice them more often etc etc. you are psychologically tricking yourself -_- | ||
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FeyFey
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Drlemur
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And my friend who was promoted also had it coming for a long time, but it was a weird coincidence that we hit it on the same exact day -- each on 1v1. Then when I was watching Huk's livestream while waiting for my friend to be ready to 2v2, I decided to brag/credit inspiration from Huk in the chat and a bunch of people mentioned getting promoted to Gold, too. For most of us promotions are pretty slow, so it seemed like an odd coincidence. I had a hunch that the leagues weren't splitting as Blizz has stated is intended, so they might have moved the MMR requirements around. Or maybe there was a ban wave. Or after the reset to Season 2, discovered that a whole bunch of gold/plat accounts weren't active anymore. The team leagues seem just weird, though, btw. I qualified in plat in 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4 even though I was playing pretty solidly Silver-level 1v1. It seems hard to believe that I'm relatively that much better than the other team players than I am at 1v1. | ||
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Twistacles
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Meldrath
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Shiladie
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It will be interesting to see how the league numbers all change once we have a bit of a better snapshot of them. | ||
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Meldrath
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Creep
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Maybe it's just luck. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Just the same, I'm gold now w00t! | ||
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KiF1rE
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if the grandmaster league activity rule is 180 bonus points and the ladder has been running roughly 2 weeks. Since leagues are a moving percentage of active players, what if the 180 bp rule applies to determining a player in say silver is active or not? (or at least something close to it) which would explain the sudden shift in players. | ||
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AXygnus
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More news at 11. | ||
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ePLocust
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On April 22 2011 06:35 RyanRushia wrote: i would like promotion to GM please yo cant be unless someone drops out | ||
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Zman
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After being marked as inactive, the system wants to balance out the divisions again. | ||
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BurningSera
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On April 22 2011 07:50 Arkless wrote: No offense, but how do we know exalicuber knows what he is even talking about? Do you work at blizzard? or have any proof? same thinking here. please enlighten us excaliber! otherwise, this nonsense/rumour should be stopped :S | ||
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Angelbelow
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On April 22 2011 08:18 BurningSera wrote: same thinking here. please enlighten us excaliber! otherwise, this nonsense/rumour should be stopped :S nothing hes said has remained a rumor and definitely has not been nonsense. i think hes earned the credibility by simply providing us with information that almost always turns out to be true. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On April 22 2011 08:18 BurningSera wrote: same thinking here. please enlighten us excaliber! otherwise, this nonsense/rumour should be stopped :S Have you even read his entire analysis? I don't see how anyone could be a disbeliever after actually reading it. Maybe you just didn't understand it all. | ||
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Sated
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Snoman
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Torte de Lini
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That and why would one state otherwise? Also, is this only team leagues or 1v1 as well? I'm Diamond rank 8 and I didn't get promoted D: | ||
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BurningSera
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On April 22 2011 08:31 FinestHour wrote: Have you even read his entire analysis? I don't see how anyone could be a disbeliever after actually reading it. Maybe you just didn't understand it all. his reputation/analysis/whatever has nothing to do with this rumour/fact at all. before anyone can really put some facts together (either from Blizz or actual stats from reliable source), i believe that i am legit to say that this is a nonsense/humour. btw, i am in eu, i havent heard/seen anything about mass promotion, so please, take your disbeliever some where else. i have no offense or disbeliever or whatever negative attitude towards anyone here okay. as far as i can tell, i can open a thread like this anytime during the season and people will come in and tell you 'oh 3 of m8 get promoted too! mass promotion!'. alot of promotion/demote happens all the time. | ||
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Torte de Lini
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On April 22 2011 08:38 BurningSera wrote: his reputation/analysis/whatever has nothing to do with this rumour/fact at all. before anyone can really put some facts together (either from Blizz or actual stats from reliable source), i believe that i am legit to say that this is a nonsense/humour. btw, i am in eu, i havent heard/seen anything about mass promotion, so please, take your disbeliever some where else. i have no offense or disbeliever or whatever negative attitude towards anyone here okay. as far as i can tell, i can open a thread like this anytime during the season and people will come in and tell you 'oh 3 of m8 get promoted too! mass promotion!'. alot of promotion/demote happens all the time. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248296581 See, MVP. Edit: oh and MVP have connections or forms of communicating with some of the Blizzard staff. | ||
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Lysenko
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On April 22 2011 07:50 Arkless wrote: No offense, but how do we know exalicuber knows what he is even talking about? Do you work at blizzard? or have any proof? His analysis and commentary on this stuff has been viewed by the community as pretty definitive since before release, and his MVP status in the Blizzard forums suggests that they've noticed and want to encourage this. I'd guess that Blizzard's thought process is that the type of detail that Excalibur_Z puts into his threads is way, way more technical than they'd ever want to put out there themselves, so they give him nudges to keep him on the right track rather than offer their own thick, mathematically laden document on how the SC2 ranking system works. As for this current issue, Excalibur_Z has implied that he has specific information that the league boundaries changed. Absent that, I might have also wondered whether this might either be a result of a large shift in inactivity from people who came back after the reset dropping back out of the game (as someone above suggested) or alternatively some kind of correction for promotions that might otherwise be dictated by existing league boundaries not happening in a timely fashion. Excalibur_Z: I'm guessing you are pretty certain those two possibilities are not the cause of this recent shift. Can you blink once for yes, twice for no? | ||
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Lysenko
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On April 22 2011 08:38 BurningSera wrote: btw, i am in eu, i havent heard/seen anything about mass promotion, so please, take your disbeliever some where else. i have no offense or disbeliever or whatever negative attitude towards anyone here okay. Fair enough. I read this thread and checked my silver division's status immediately. The top 8 or 10 players all had been promoted out except for me, probably because I haven't played the last few days. This is consistent with the impression that it's mostly a bronze/silver/gold rearrangement. | ||
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Lysenko
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On April 22 2011 08:55 Lysenko wrote: Fair enough. I read this thread and checked my silver division's status immediately. The top 8 or 10 players all had been promoted out except for me, probably because I haven't played the last few days. Anddddd ... I played one game and went from rank 1 silver to rank 6 gold. Yes, the boundaries have shifted, or they're catching up on promotions or something. | ||
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Bxk
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Kippers
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TheAmazombie
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 22 2011 09:47 TheAmazombie wrote: On this note, I also logged in today and found that I jumped like 15-20 spots in my league without playing a game. I rarely play 1v1s. A lot of people got promoted :b | ||
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scottycopter
United States46 Posts
But I have nothing to base that on other than my own personal logic. | ||
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Pwnographics
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KillerPlague
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
Was pissed at lag (like 3000Ms) and just scv all-inned every game. Probably unwise lol On April 22 2011 09:58 KillerPlague wrote: id be willing to bet this is because a certain amount of time has gone by since the new season, and everyone that played 1 game for their placement match is now considered inactive. this means new spots open up since leagues are 20/20/20/20/20 of active players. imo ooh good thinking but FYI leagues are like top100/2%/6%/24%/28%/40% I pulled that out of my ass but you can check Excalibur Z's thread for exact numbers I'm sure | ||
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Tracedragon
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But most likely because there've been less active players lately? Seems like there were only 8k games the whole day yesterday instead of the usual 12k+. | ||
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random user
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Noticing some players were not being promoted as soon as they should have been, we’ve made an adjustment to the ladder that will promote them in a more timely fashion My total WAG is that they looked at what happened to Grandmaster's and why some people had a hard time and/or weren't able to get in, and discovered a bug in promotions somewhere, and not limited to GM. Once they fixed it, a byproduct is a lot of people were affected by that bug got promoted. Too bad for this season for GM though. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On April 22 2011 09:33 Bxk wrote: Blue post on Ladder Promotions - pretty much confirmed? haha. Hooray! They originally said they weren't going to say anything, I'm glad they changed their minds. I notice they don't go into much detail, but that's probably for the best anyway. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
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On April 22 2011 08:53 Lysenko wrote: His analysis and commentary on this stuff has been viewed by the community as pretty definitive since before release, and his MVP status in the Blizzard forums suggests that they've noticed and want to encourage this. I'd guess that Blizzard's thought process is that the type of detail that Excalibur_Z puts into his threads is way, way more technical than they'd ever want to put out there themselves, so they give him nudges to keep him on the right track rather than offer their own thick, mathematically laden document on how the SC2 ranking system works. As for this current issue, Excalibur_Z has implied that he has specific information that the league boundaries changed. Absent that, I might have also wondered whether this might either be a result of a large shift in inactivity from people who came back after the reset dropping back out of the game (as someone above suggested) or alternatively some kind of correction for promotions that might otherwise be dictated by existing league boundaries not happening in a timely fashion. Excalibur_Z: I'm guessing you are pretty certain those two possibilities are not the cause of this recent shift. Can you blink once for yes, twice for no? Yeah I spoke with a couple of people a few days ago, which was when I learned about the impending hotfix. Now that it's receiving official acknowledgment I feel a little more comfortable =) My eyes kind of bugged out when I saw someone reposted this on the Bnet forums (before the blue post went up). | ||
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Lysenko
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On April 22 2011 08:53 Lysenko wrote: alternatively some kind of correction for promotions that might otherwise be dictated by existing league boundaries not happening in a timely fashion. That summary sounds more like what they described in the blue post than the league MMR boundaries actually changing, but I wouldn't necessarily expect the telephone game from developers -> CM staff -> blue post to yield a perfectly accurate statement of what changed, either. | ||
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-Exalt-
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I'm like 8-2 vs masters players, only have been playing them really but I won't get promoted T.T I will get masters some day... for now ill go cry in a corner | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:48 DiDigital wrote: I don't think the percentages were changed. What was likely changed were the qualifications used to determine what category players fell into (league or activity status). Nah it was definitely a threshold change. What we don't know is which leagues were affected. The only one I know for sure is the Bronze breakpoint (which would also affect Silver). Not sure about the rest -- maybe Master wasn't affected at all. | ||
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KDot2
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We've recently applied two hotfixes for StarCraft II: Noticing some players were not being promoted as soon as they should have been, we’ve made an adjustment to the ladder that will promote them in a more timely fashion. Some players may have already noticed recent promotions due to this hotfix. We’ve made additional tweaks to the Up & Coming feature which should now be displaying a more accurate list of rising custom map stars. Note: These hotfixes are currently only live in the North America region, with other regions coming in the weeks ahead. | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
Yay for promotion day! | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
Edit: oh, the original blue post said it itself >.> nvm | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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goofy
United States5 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:46 aksfjh wrote: I always thought the thresholds were floating numbers that changed with MMR distribution. So, at any point in time, ~20% of the active population would be in each division (masters+diamond counting together) based on the moving MMR thresholds. I guess the questions from this would be: "Were my assumptions wrong and the thresholds aren't 'floating'?" "Did they change how strictly the divisions stick to that ~20% number (or change it from 20%)?" "Does this have anything to do with the changes to MMR over the past month?" Reread Excaliburz Ladder Guide and then read what Ex has said in this thread to get your answers. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 The MMR thresholds are not dynamic. However, Blizzard can change them manually with a hotfix if the % of active players in each league does not line up with their intended goal ( 2 / 18 / 20 / 20 / 20 / 20). This is what has happened as of Wednesday. For Season 2, the leagues have not been approaching the correct distribution. Blizzard has adjusted accordingly, hence the huge number of promotions. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:14 goofy wrote: Reread Excaliburz Ladder Guide and then read what Ex has said in this thread to get your answers. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 The MMR thresholds are not dynamic. However, Blizzard can change them manually with a hotfix if the % of active players in each league does not line up with their intended goal ( 2 / 18 / 20 / 20 / 20 / 20). This is what has happened as of Wednesday. For Season 2, the leagues have not been approaching the correct distribution. Blizzard has adjusted accordingly, hence the huge number of promotions. Hmmm, I see. So the system corrects itself when players become inactive/active by injecting points or "clearing" points from the system. I would assume then that this change is in line with the modifications they made to MMR a few weeks back to fix the bronze problem. | ||
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ski107
United States62 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On April 23 2011 03:04 aksfjh wrote: Hmmm, I see. So the system corrects itself when players become inactive/active by injecting points or "clearing" points from the system. I would assume then that this change is in line with the modifications they made to MMR a few weeks back to fix the bronze problem. Not exactly. When players become inactive, their MMR just doesn't change at all. When they become active again, if their MMR is out of whack with the skill they exhibit in their games (say, because a bunch of players have dropped out and the population is differently distributed among MMRs now) then they'll win or lose a bunch of games until their MMR is back in line with the population. Basically, if you think of the MMR as being a possibly inaccurate measurement of the player's percentile in the active player community, that's pretty close. (The more accurate way to say it is that MMR is a possibly inaccurate measurement of a skill parameter that can be used to estimate likelihood of a game result between two players, but a side effect of this is that MMR can be mapped to percentile in a way that's probably not linear, and gets less accurate the more loose your definition of an "active" player is.) So, if an idle player's old MMR becomes out of whack because the population gets a LOT better at the game while they're away, because the metagame changes, or because they are out of practice, the MMR will quickly drop when they start playing and they'll be back in line with where they should be. | ||
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-_-Quails
Australia796 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:28 ZUR1CH wrote: When I started Season two, I played one 4v4 game (I was Gold 4v4 in Season 1 and I hadn't played a 4v4 match in about 4 months). Anyways, it put me in Bronze -- I assume because of inactivity maybe? Kind of sucked. I don't like having the Bronze on my profile but I don't care enough to actually go through the misery of 4v4 matches with random Bronzes. I ended up in bronze after my 4v4 placement matches (random bronze teamkillers < random bronze, that was a fun game). Took about 8-10 games of terrible allies and bad opponents to start being matched with siver/gold level players. Took less time still to be matched with gold/plat then plat/dia. I've been promoted twice in the past day. You won't be stuck with bad allies/opponents for long if you just outplay them. | ||
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iPDubsteP
United States188 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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Morphs
Netherlands645 Posts
Oh well, I'll see what happens when I play again. I've been winning against Diamond Protosses lately as plat. There may be a little promotion in there for me soon.. | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
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Mangemongen
Sweden125 Posts
On April 26 2011 21:54 Cabinet Sanchez wrote: Friend of mine has been in Bronze since RELEASE of the game and he's gotten better and better yet it refused to re-rank him, he also finally got silver last night (surprising, I would've rated him higher) Does he play like a 1-2 games every day or 10+ games on one day while not at all during the others? I think playing lots of games at one sitting is much more beneficial for climbing the ladder, but also for skill improvement. | ||
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dSoda
United States122 Posts
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NoisyNinja
United States991 Posts
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Pippi
Sweden540 Posts
So I guess they have some day in the week that they promote players, like in WoW where you get points from Arena on wednesdays. Or can it be that I have to play a certain amount of games before :S? | ||
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Qwix
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