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Bluerain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States348 Posts
April 14 2011 20:15 GMT
#41
ive used acceleration for a long time in wc3 and sc2 beta and disabled it when beta ended. i havent noticed any improvement in my gameplay. I am about the same. go back to ur old settings no big deal.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
April 14 2011 20:16 GMT
#42
On April 15 2011 04:10 Keldrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:
On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points.

its not really a big deal

enhanced pointer precision is


Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage?


the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time.


pretty sure enhanced pointer thingy in sc2 has nothing to do with acceleration.

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SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
April 14 2011 20:18 GMT
#43
I had the same thing for a while but once i got uses to it.....it was the best feeling ever. My micro improved dramatically and I could 1 rax marauder pressure toss so much easier when microing my marauders.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 20:50:42
April 14 2011 20:40 GMT
#44
On April 15 2011 05:16 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 04:10 Keldrath wrote:
On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:
On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points.

its not really a big deal

enhanced pointer precision is


Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage?


the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time.


pretty sure enhanced pointer thingy in sc2 has nothing to do with acceleration.


It does.


Edit (one liners are bad)
Mouse accel is not a big disadvantage, several progamers in CS used it. It a small advantage to turn it off not a big one.
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thesauceishot
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada333 Posts
April 14 2011 20:45 GMT
#45
You have to get used to it, that's all there is to it. I had mouse acceleration on before because that was the default in Windows for as long as I can remember up until about 4-5 months ago when I came across the thread on TL. It took me a lot longer to get used to it than I thought it would, but I'm totally used to it off now. I never had any problems in the past with it on in the past, and in fact I was pretty precise with my mouse. So my advice is use what works for you.
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 20:52:00
April 14 2011 20:51 GMT
#46
Seems like your mouse is set too fast for you if its "flying all over the place". Turning acceleration off or on changes the way your cursor behaves, so the same DPI seems not to be optimum now. Open up a practice game, then alt tab and adjust your mouse settings until you can draw a box almost covering the screen with a comfortable amount of movement. Then play a lot and get super used to it.
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 20:53:18
April 14 2011 20:53 GMT
#47
Oh, and draw several boxes in rapid succession to see if the mouse speed suits you (similar to progamer spam in the beginning of games). Thats how I adjust my mouse settings everytime I reformat or purchase a new one.
~Maverick~
Profile Joined July 2010
United States234 Posts
April 14 2011 20:53 GMT
#48
Just like other said, play around with your mouse sensitivity. Disabling mouse acceleration was one of the best decision I ever made.

My mouse is currently at 2400 DPI so I have to turn sc2 ingame sensitivy to 26%.
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Ovi
Profile Joined April 2010
164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 21:15:30
April 14 2011 20:53 GMT
#49
Edit: nvm
Tuxedo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States134 Posts
April 14 2011 21:02 GMT
#50
I just want to chime in and say that you need to keep pointer precision off, as well as use the mousefix to get rid of any mouse acceleration. I come from an FPS background where it is absolutely essential to be even close to good. It may feel strange for the first 100 games or so, but in the long run you will be benefited greatly. Nowadays I can't even use a mouse if it has any acceleration.
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Ovi
Profile Joined April 2010
164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 21:15:21
April 14 2011 21:05 GMT
#51
On April 15 2011 06:02 Schwang wrote:
I just want to chime in and say that you need to keep pointer precision off, as well as use the mousefix to get rid of any mouse acceleration. I come from an FPS background where it is absolutely essential to be even close to good. It may feel strange for the first 100 games or so, but in the long run you will be benefited greatly. Nowadays I can't even use a mouse if it has any acceleration.


The mousefix. Can you recommend a program for this? Edit: found it
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
April 14 2011 21:35 GMT
#52
you guys are all awesome. Ty for all your advice. Im gonna begin with turning down my sc2 in game senstivity from 51 percent. If thats not working ill mess around with the dpi... ill find something close to comfort and ill churn out games to make the settings my own
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stupidhydro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States216 Posts
April 14 2011 21:37 GMT
#53
It's a good idea to turn off mouse acceleration if you're trying to perfect your micro. While some people might argue you should just use acceleration if you're used to it, think of it this way, would you rather develop muscle memory so that moving your mouse x amount corresponds to x distance on the screen or develop it so you have to move the mouse x distance AND with y force in order to make it go x distance. Obviously there's a lot more room for error with acceleration and while getting used to mouse movements with acceleration off isn't going to suddenly shoot you up to the next division, for those aspiring to be as good as they can be it's a good idea.

Honestly it'll just take some getting used to but playing games that require mouse accuracy like osu will develop muscle memory faster so just keep working at it. Also, at the beginning of the games when there isn't anything to do (although i guess you could be doubling workers on close patches but that seems pretty insignificant imo) you can try starting your mouse at a point, say right below your nexus, and then move it and try to click exactly on a mineral patch and keep repeating. It's all about getting used to it and unfortunately that takes time.
andrewasdf
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3 Posts
April 14 2011 22:21 GMT
#54
I don't agree with all the comments to lower your DPI before messing with the mouse settings in Windows. Higher DPI is much more accurate and precise than the artificial setting that Windows uses to adjust mouse sensitivity. I recommend finding a comfortable DPI that allows you to fine tune your sensitivity within the Windows framework, instead of choosing a low DPI arbitrarily.
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
April 14 2011 22:48 GMT
#55
Hey QTIP I've been tweaking my settings a lot + laddering to see APM difference and if you want to test your mouse accuracy + speed, load up Minesweeper on Expert, try clicking each of the 4 corners as accurately and fast as you can, keep an eye on timer and start over if you run into a mine for irregularity.

I experimented with my settings and I found at worst I'll do it in 4 sec and at best in 2 sec, you also get a feel for how much you have to adjust your mouse when you overshoot a corner. And I tried a higher DPI but for some reasons that's always just makes my mouse fly all over the screen lol, however I think low acceleration (MX518) seems to work better for me than without.
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OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
April 14 2011 23:02 GMT
#56
On April 15 2011 07:21 andrewasdf wrote:
I don't agree with all the comments to lower your DPI before messing with the mouse settings in Windows. Higher DPI is much more accurate and precise than the artificial setting that Windows uses to adjust mouse sensitivity. I recommend finding a comfortable DPI that allows you to fine tune your sensitivity within the Windows framework, instead of choosing a low DPI arbitrarily.

You have it backwards. To get a higher DPI you need a mouse with a more precise sensor but changing the DPI on a specific mouse doesn't affect precision at all, only the speed. At 6/11 in Windows you have 1:1 mapping between the mouse DPI and the screen pixels which is the optimal setting. Going higher than 6 means your pointer will skip pixels on the screen to increase the pointer speed which is bad, going below 6 means that Windows will ignore some of the inputs from the mouse to reduce the pointer speed, this is not a big deal but on certain settings it might give slightly inconsistent behaviour.

The best way to train your muscle memory is to play SC2 at the same resolution as your desktop, set Windows to 6/11 and SC2 to 51%. Then adjust the mouse DPI to your preferred speed. There are no shortcuts beyond that, just practice.
NeXiLe
Profile Joined February 2006
Canada262 Posts
April 14 2011 23:15 GMT
#57
Oh god. Whatever you do, please don't go back to using mouse accel. I do agree with "play with what's comfortable." but mouse accel is one thing that's completely unreliable and nothing GOOD can come out of using it >< I've played at the highest level of counterstrike (I'm sure you understand precision is pretty important in that game) and I can promise you I've NEVER seen a really good player that uses mouse accel. Ever.
andrewasdf
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3 Posts
April 14 2011 23:16 GMT
#58
Typically a mouse with high DPI has a good sensor. The reason it changes speed is because it changes the number of pictures it takes per movement essentially. There is definitely validity to the 6/11 setting however I prefer fine tuning DPS before windows sensitivity.
sephius
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom200 Posts
April 14 2011 23:21 GMT
#59
I turned off mouse accel a few weeks ago and adapted almost instantly. It's had a very positive impact on my gameplay, you just need to get the settings right. I play on a 1920x1080 monitor and have a razer deathadder. My settings are 6/11 windows sens, 5.5 mouse driver sens, 1800 DPI and 51% ingame sens. These settings seem to be perfect for me, with me being able to move my pointer quickly whilst being able to move it finely and accurately to aid gameplay. The trick is to just tamper with the settings on the mouse driver, and leave everything else standard Worked for me, but I suppose everyone's different.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 23:26:52
April 14 2011 23:22 GMT
#60
On April 15 2011 07:21 andrewasdf wrote:
I don't agree with all the comments to lower your DPI before messing with the mouse settings in Windows. Higher DPI is much more accurate and precise than the artificial setting that Windows uses to adjust mouse sensitivity. I recommend finding a comfortable DPI that allows you to fine tune your sensitivity within the Windows framework, instead of choosing a low DPI arbitrarily.


This is blatantly wrong - the best way is to adjust DPI, and keep Windows/SC settings the same (if you can). Windows should be 6/11 and SC should be 51-54% (its all the same, SC does it in intervals of 5). DPI is exactly what it sounds like - how many pixels an inch of movement represents. 6/11 on Windows and 51% on SC corresponds with an exact replication of the DPI settings in your computer. So if you have 600 DPI, move the mouse 1 inch, you will move 600 pixels. Changing the windows or SC settings disconnects these measurements - if you make windows slower, moving an inch in real life will correspond to less than 600 pixels, which DROPS some of the signals from your mouse. If you speed up the cursor in windows, an inch in real life is more than 600 pixels, which is more movement than reported by the mouse, which can create jitter and/or loss of precision.

If you want to change your mouse speed, change DPI because changing DPI changes just that. The number of pixels moved per inch moved on the mouse. Nothing is wasted, and precision is exactly 1 to 1, as long as acceleration is off.
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