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On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage?
People don't think it's a disadvantage, they know it is. Again, there is always something to be improving upon in-game that is non-keyboard/mouse related. But if you can get also improve your gameplay at the same time by using optimal mouse/keyboard settings, than why not?
The proble with the windows enhanced pointer precision should be pretty apparent with a short in-game test. Turn on enhanced pointer precision. Find a friend of equal skill, and have zlot or zergling micro wars with each other. The distance that needs to be traveled is very small, but your reactions and commands need to be very, very quick.
If you have enhanced mouse on, the quicker you try to micro these small distances, the harder/impossibler(lol) it becomes as the enhanced precision is causing your mouse to move greater distances as your speed increases.
And to the OP, I finally turned off mouse acceleration in War3 a few years ago, and it took me about 200 games or so to adapt, the worst thing you can do is keep turning it on/off.
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What was really most interesting about OP was the format of it? You trying to write a song? I'm actually curious about this.
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On April 15 2011 02:13 REM.ca wrote:
What was really most interesting about OP was the format of it? You trying to write a song? I'm actually curious about this.
lol sorry. I'm typing on my phone and the formatting gets a bit butchered. Apologies...
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I recently turned off mouse acceleration as well, and I've found it to help so much on precision for cross screen jumps/clicks. Actually, the greatest indicator for me was the increase in performance at osu! lol.
http://osu.ppy.sh/
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I play with mouse acceleration. I think once you get the muscle memory down, acceleration is just as fast as without.
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1600 DPI lol, I use half of that but I'm also on a lower resolution, I also recently tried mouse acceleration with my new replacement of my old MX518, it's very difficult to control and easy to 'overshoot' where your aiming at but my overall speed all over the screen improved greatly.
First time I played to test it on Xel'Naga vs Insane Zerg in a 20 min game, I had 151 APM from just micro'ing marauders perfectly against roaches (I think because vs AI has 0 ping) and macroing 3-4 Base with greater ease, oddly it went back to the normal 100-120+ but still a bit higher than usual, I think I just have to get used to it and experiment.
Anyway either turn off your mouse acceleration and go back to what you used to, or simply cut down on the DPI, trying to get my mouse in a comfortable natural position where I can have high performance is something that I struggle with every day, not to mention the annoying wire :S
I'm curious thou if anyone Master's know the optimal settings for an MX518 with SC2 ^_^
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On April 15 2011 01:43 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:38 GGzerG wrote:
I'm using a new steelseries kinzu, it's really lightweight, fast, accurate, the one problem is that the double clicking is super sensitive , causes me to lose games , play slower, and make alot of mistakes, i suggest just sitting down and taking as much time as it possibly takes to get the ' perfect ' setting, thats what i did, constant trial and error. gl Off-topic, but you are aware that the Kinzu is the only gaming mouse with acceleration built in and you cant turn it off? It has an advantage over software mouse acceleration but you should be aware - I use one myself.
Did you get that from the excuse that Steelseries posted on their site, that the Kinzu's acceleration was designed to be that way? Well... they denied the 'problem' for 8 months and then put it up saying it was intentional. It also has terrible amounts of negative mouse acceleration.
As for the OP, keep playing with the new settings, you'll get used to it eventually.
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Whenever I change my mouse settings, I play a few hours of starjeweled. It has a good mix of using mouse accuracy and thinking, which gets you in the habit of learning the new settings while focusing on gameplay.
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Set the dpi to whatever allows you to reach all four corners of the screen with the amount of movement that's comfortable to you. Acceleration, EPP, etc should be off don't even think about turning them back on.
I find the best way to acclimate is by playing a different game that also requires a lot of quick mouse precision: minesweeper, osu, bejeweled, etc. You could probably also find some custom games in SC2 that involve a lot of micro. Anything really that requires a TON of accurate mouse usage in concentrated periods of time.
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On April 15 2011 01:43 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:38 GGzerG wrote:
I'm using a new steelseries kinzu, it's really lightweight, fast, accurate, the one problem is that the double clicking is super sensitive , causes me to lose games , play slower, and make alot of mistakes, i suggest just sitting down and taking as much time as it possibly takes to get the ' perfect ' setting, thats what i did, constant trial and error. gl Off-topic, but you are aware that the Kinzu is the only gaming mouse with acceleration built in and you cant turn it off? It has an advantage over software mouse acceleration but you should be aware - I use one myself. On-topic, you say it has been 3 days, but how many hours have you put in? It should only take 8 hours or so of SC2 to be accustomed to new mouse settings (unlike acceleration, which you can never be 'accustomed' to). If you are worried about your ladder rank, play customs or mouse training UMS maps. Edit: you can play mouse trainers like OSU, minesweeper, or missionred outside of SC2 but the settings may not be the same.
Off topic: Are you sure about that, Kinzu software has an option to turn of mouse acceleration. I can't feel the acceleration either.
On topic, I hate not using mouse acceleration when not playing but it helps micro.
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Don't listen to the guys who told you to put it back to how it was before.
Lower your sensitivity by changing your DPI. If you can't change your DPI, i advise you lower your sensitivity in windows to (5/11) or soemthing and then adjust it to match in sc2. This is to retain muscle memory when you are browsing vs playing. I have mine at 5/11 in windows and 42% in sc2.
Mouse accel is a huge hindrance to your gameplay. Listen to cecil and keep it off.
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If you have a steelseries mouse youc an adjust all those settings o.o
My Xai is at 450 dpi, mouse accel off, you can switch sensitivity of the double click and everything.
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On April 15 2011 02:43 Bear4188 wrote:
Set the dpi to whatever allows you to reach all four corners of the screen with the amount of movement that's comfortable to you. Acceleration, EPP, etc should be off don't even think about turning them back on.
I find the best way to acclimate is by playing a different game that also requires a lot of quick mouse precision: minesweeper, osu, bejeweled, etc. You could probably also find some custom games in SC2 that involve a lot of micro. Anything really that requires a TON of accurate mouse usage in concentrated periods of time.
These are great ideas... Thank you
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On April 15 2011 01:42 Cragus wrote:
I made the switch a few months back, and I played tons of minesweeper to adapt. It worked pretty well, so i would suggest that.
You sir, are a boss.
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My monitor's pretty big so playing on 6/11 and 51% sensitivity just doesn't work at ALL for me. I crank up the sensitivity in-game to like 81% to adjust for it because my mouse is low-tech and I can't adjust DPI settings. Is there a better way or is this just the only option other than buying a better mouse?
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Back like 5 months ago when I first heard about this I was already high diamond, and I decided to change it because it seemed like a good idea. What I noticed personally was that my mouse simply wasn't moving fast enough. I think I lost like 14 out of 15 games right after changing it, and the one game I won was a roach rush on Steppes  . I don't know what my actual DPI is, I just use a random logitech mouse that my friend had laying around, but all I had to do was just move my sensitivity to where it felt "closer" to what it was before turning off acceleration, which turned out to me setting my ingame sensitivity up to I think 76%. It's all about preference yes, but not in the fact that mouse acceleration should be preference. Turn it off, after about a week, I was used to it, and I was wayy more accurate with my mouse because I didn't have stupid irregular moveements. So after turning it off, just adjust your sensitivity around a lot until you find what seems "right".
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It's similar when people swap mice. Sometimes I hear people say, "Oh if I don't like it I'll just swap back to my old mouse". Why though, it takes time to adjust and you know what benefits it will bring.
For me I started using mousefix and the like many years. It was very wierd at first and yes, you don't aim as well as you did before because you made a big change. But you instantly feel the accuracy, I would call it 1:1. The mouse becomes more of an extension.
One of the main differences with turning acceleration off is that your mouse is slower. You have to work more, it feels heavier. This is logical because the acceleration doesn't help anymore in speeding up parts. You will always keep this but you will come to love it because of the aforementioned 1:1 ratio feeling.
However, what you can and probably should do is turn your overall sensitivity up to adjust for that loss. It will allow you to "settle" in faster. Once you are settled in you can start tweaking al the settings to get it perfect again.
What I would recommend is picking up one of your FPS games and just playing a lot. I think the FPS setting is more efficient to get the control going because you get a lot of reference points and thus feedback, from which you adapt faster. It's also nice because there is nothing to lose, but you can do customs just as easily to combat that should it be an issue.
For FPS, I believe one of the main methods to getting your mouse speed perfect is the following:
You pick a vertical line in the game, say a lighting pole or the edge of a wall. And then you aim on it. As you strafe left and right you will try to keep the aim on that line. The distance obviously is gonna influence this so it's probably best to pick one that is "medium" unless you want to have your aim be more suitable and stable for certain things. As you strafe you will notice that you are either, unable to keep the mouse on the line properly and it will drag behind or you will get a lot of twitching and very aggresive movements. In the first case your sensitivity is too low, in the second it's too high. Adjust in increments, rinse and repeat, triangulate a good sensitivity setting.
Play with it for a couple days, after which you will have become more capable of controlling the mouse. It becomes a lot easier and natural to do different moves because of this so it's time to go back to the test because it's very possible your "optimum" has no changed or you are able to squeeze out more precision by tweaking it further and more properly. Once you start to notice that the tweaks aren't doing a lot, or you are not sure if it's getting better or worse. Analyze between the two different settings. As mentioned earlier, it's very plausible that a decision needs to be made regarding a preference of focus on the settings of the sensitivity. After that, leave it for a very long time.
See how you are able to "skill up" with the new settings and if you are able to reach a new sort of comfort in the comming weeks. If you are able to establish that's the case, I would recommend leaving it because it's very tempting to fall victim to the mentality that it's the setting that will allow you to become better, when it can only hurt, it's up to you now. You decide your own fate, what will it be, blue pill or red pill?
I don't know how that style of adjusting will translate to starcraft but you do it with an FPS and then approach the same settings by trial and error in Starcraft.
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On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage?
the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time.
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On April 15 2011 04:10 Keldrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage? the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time.
This sounds like it needs some proof. I have mouse accel enabled and have no problems at 150~ APM when microing small groups of marines.
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