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Would it really have been that big of a disaster to have 6 games in 1 day, and 4 games in another day? He can't play that day? Oh well, make things a little longer another day. Add a break or something to make it easier to manage. Its like NASL doesn't realize they are the ones making the rules. It obviously made sense to postpone.
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Unfortunate since it was the Main Event on the Card for that day... :-(
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On April 15 2011 05:10 Mohdoo wrote:
Would it really have been that big of a disaster to have 6 games in 1 day, and 4 games in another day? He can't play that day? Oh well, make things a little longer another day. Add a break or something to make it easier to manage. Its like NASL doesn't realize they are the ones making the rules. It obviously made sense to postpone.
Not really fair to July for waking up at 4am to wait for the tourny. Yes, you can shuffle things around, but at the end of the day, it's a tournament and has a set schedule. As much as I want to see July Vs White-Ra and I'd be routing for White-Ra, it doesn't change the fact that July deserves the by on this one.
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On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes...
Dude you got it exactly...
How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it.
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On April 15 2011 05:18 To3-Knee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 05:10 Mohdoo wrote:
Would it really have been that big of a disaster to have 6 games in 1 day, and 4 games in another day? He can't play that day? Oh well, make things a little longer another day. Add a break or something to make it easier to manage. Its like NASL doesn't realize they are the ones making the rules. It obviously made sense to postpone. Not really fair to July for waking up at 4am to wait for the tourny. Yes, you can shuffle things around, but at the end of the day, it's a tournament and has a set schedule. As much as I want to see July Vs White-Ra and I'd be routing for White-Ra, it doesn't change the fact that July deserves the by on this one.
Also it sets a bad precedent. Sure the NASL should do what they can to work around other tournaments but you can't have a situation when players feel like they can just reschedule their games if something else comes up. It won't work in the long run.
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On April 15 2011 05:18 To3-Knee wrote:
Not really fair to July for waking up at 4am to wait for the tourny. Yes, you can shuffle things around, but at the end of the day, it's a tournament and has a set schedule. As much as I want to see July Vs White-Ra and I'd be routing for White-Ra, it doesn't change the fact that July deserves the by on this one.
Actually, it's not a tournament (tournaments don't last for over 3 months). Dreamhack is a tournament, though. And aside from Huk & Jinro, everyone at Dreamhack could have found themselves in the same position that Sjow and WhiteRa were in if NASL had foolishly scheduled a league game simultaneously with Dreamhack.
It's not like Dreamhack was a long tournament at all, so it would have been easy to schedule around well in advance in order to prevent any of the 6 NASL participants from being put in a position to go find a random place to play in order to avoid a forfeit.
I also can't believe people are suggesting that a pro player should have to choose between Dreamhack & NASL -- frankly, if NASL wants people to choose, pros are going to choose tournaments with relatively high prize pools per time invested and NASL will lose out every time!
The actual schedule for NASL dating all the way into June is currently posted. That seems like a major mistake to me, as it's going to ensure that there will be future conflicts with live tournaments. It would make more sense if NASL would choose the matchups to be played each week in advance, and then schedule the days and times based on player availability 2 weeks in advance or so. Real sports leagues set dates well in advance because they're played & broadcasted live in front of an audience. NASL doesn't and thus has the ability to more flexibly schedule.
Pros aren't going to turn down live tournaments with decent prize pools in the future to accommodate a 3 month long league with an uncertain future. Additionally, some of the best players in the world chose not to join NASL in its initial season (HuK, Jinro, NesTea, & Mvp just to name a few). The league is only going to get the best players by making participation as pain-free as possible.
Also, for a much easier suggestion to implement: NASL should take a cue from the UFC and make the most anticipated match of each night the final one that's broadcasted. On some nights (like tonight) that might be difficult to determine (I'd say probably DDE-Nada), but it will get easier as the weeks go on and you have clear division leaders in the standings.
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On April 15 2011 05:47 BigJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes... Dude you got it exactly... How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it.
Ok, if July doesn't deserve to win, then tell me why Whitera deserves a reschedule. After all, he went partying while NASL and July were sitting there clueless wondering where the fuck he was the entire night.
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On April 15 2011 06:22 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 05:47 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes... Dude you got it exactly... How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it. Ok, if July doesn't deserve to win, then tell me why Whitera deserves a reschedule. After all, he went partying while NASL and July were sitting there clueless wondering where the fuck he was the entire night.
Source please?
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On April 15 2011 06:43 BigJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 06:22 Daozzt wrote:On April 15 2011 05:47 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:
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Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly.
Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown:
July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here.
NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong.
White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over.
It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes... Dude you got it exactly... How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it. Ok, if July doesn't deserve to win, then tell me why Whitera deserves a reschedule. After all, he went partying while NASL and July were sitting there clueless wondering where the fuck he was the entire night. Source please?
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100% nasl's fault. You're a company providing a service to users, that service being amazing sc2 matches that people want to watch. And you just drop the best game of the series?
Think ahead and reschedule. This reeks of laziness and incompetence. Everyone in here is pissed.
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On April 15 2011 06:50 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 06:43 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 06:22 Daozzt wrote:On April 15 2011 05:47 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:
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I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes... Dude you got it exactly... How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it. Ok, if July doesn't deserve to win, then tell me why Whitera deserves a reschedule. After all, he went partying while NASL and July were sitting there clueless wondering where the fuck he was the entire night. Source please?
Point taken then. Where is the full article with this picture so I can read more about it though? Was there an interview with why he decided to do this?
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On April 15 2011 07:15 naslsFault wrote:
100% nasl's fault. You're a company providing a service to users, that service being amazing sc2 matches that people want to watch. And you just drop the best game of the series?
Think ahead and reschedule. This reeks of laziness and incompetence. Everyone in here is pissed.
Don't speak for me then, I'm not pissed. But well, I guess we can just go and tell our favorite TV show producers to reschedule a show just because we won't be able to watch, I'm sure they'll understand... God the people that have no idea how a show is made really think it is as easy as "rescheduling for the sake of rescheduling".
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LOL at how people are trying to blow this thing out of proportion. White-ra missed the game and forfeited the match big whoop!! Hes a professional and all pro players these days make choices understanding that if they join up with a gaming tournament or league that they show up on time to each match. NASL acted profesionally 100% by even trying to comprimise between July and White-ra by giving July a choice after he patiently waited for 4 hrs, when White ra should have auto forfeited anyway.
Its like Bo Jackson or Dion Sanders for crying out loud. They cant make both games so they forfeit one of them and its too bad maybe they should just focus on one of the leagues instead. It would have been the same argument if it was another player
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How is this thread still going on? Whitera didn't show up and forfeited the game. That's it.
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On April 15 2011 07:22 BigJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 06:50 JinDesu wrote:On April 15 2011 06:43 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 06:22 Daozzt wrote:On April 15 2011 05:47 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:
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He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes... Dude you got it exactly... How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it. Ok, if July doesn't deserve to win, then tell me why Whitera deserves a reschedule. After all, he went partying while NASL and July were sitting there clueless wondering where the fuck he was the entire night. Source please? Point taken then. Where is the full article with this picture so I can read more about it though? Was there an interview with why he decided to do this?
http://www.sk-gaming.com/album/51814 Just a photo gallery.
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On April 14 2011 23:56 Hellspawnl wrote:
I can just give my insight. White-Ra have mailed NASL several times and I think myself I sent in total four mails to explain the situation. I think it's a strange move from NASL to lock people to play a certain weekday for 9 weeks without wildcards. I can just say that White-Ra and I did everything to try to solve this but it seems it was impossible.
Quoted for being the only post in the past 10 pages with any relevance.
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On April 15 2011 07:39 SilverLeagueElite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 06:50 JinDesu wrote:On April 15 2011 06:43 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 06:22 Daozzt wrote:On April 15 2011 05:47 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:
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Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it.
wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes... Dude you got it exactly... How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it. Ok, if July doesn't deserve to win, then tell me why Whitera deserves a reschedule. After all, he went partying while NASL and July were sitting there clueless wondering where the fuck he was the entire night. Source please? Point taken then. Where is the full article with this picture so I can read more about it though? Was there an interview with why he decided to do this? http://www.sk-gaming.com/album/51814 Just a photo gallery.
Without a time-line, those photos are useless for this discussion.
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On April 15 2011 07:52 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:39 SilverLeagueElite wrote:On April 15 2011 07:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 06:50 JinDesu wrote:On April 15 2011 06:43 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 06:22 Daozzt wrote:On April 15 2011 05:47 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:
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wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol..
it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever..
poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes... Dude you got it exactly... How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it. Ok, if July doesn't deserve to win, then tell me why Whitera deserves a reschedule. After all, he went partying while NASL and July were sitting there clueless wondering where the fuck he was the entire night. Source please? Point taken then. Where is the full article with this picture so I can read more about it though? Was there an interview with why he decided to do this? http://www.sk-gaming.com/album/51814 Just a photo gallery. Without a time-line, those photos are useless for this discussion.
Take a moment and notice how pictures of Jinro arriving at the airport come first, gamers chilling at inferno online come after, followed by pictures of the dreamhack event and then there are the pictures of the afterparty.
Chronological!
But we probably need the International Court of Justice in Den Haag to settle this case.
Also rescheduling happening:
http://www.nasl.tv/News/Article/2011-04-14-broadcast-reschedule
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On April 15 2011 07:52 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:39 SilverLeagueElite wrote:On April 15 2011 07:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 06:50 JinDesu wrote:On April 15 2011 06:43 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 06:22 Daozzt wrote:On April 15 2011 05:47 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 03:20 Sein wrote:On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:
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wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol..
it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever..
poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes... Dude you got it exactly... How can anybody come to that conclusion? I have been saying this entire time that NASL changed their rules to give the win to July after 45m by waiting 4 hours instead. July should not have had to wait and its really sad that he did because he shouldn't have had to. Knowing in advance there would have been a conflict with White-Ra being in dreamhack should have triggered some kind of preparation but what resulted was a giant waste of time. If NASL is already bending the rules by giving the choice to July, then they should also be able to bend the rules for White-Ra to reschedule. They never heard from him and cant confirm if there was some kind of emergency or if White-Ra accepts the forfeit. White-Ra is not innocent but that doesnt mean I would call him guilty. All I wanted to say is that July took an easy win and didnt deserve it. Ok, if July doesn't deserve to win, then tell me why Whitera deserves a reschedule. After all, he went partying while NASL and July were sitting there clueless wondering where the fuck he was the entire night. Source please? Point taken then. Where is the full article with this picture so I can read more about it though? Was there an interview with why he decided to do this? http://www.sk-gaming.com/album/51814 Just a photo gallery. Without a time-line, those photos are useless for this discussion.
You seriously cannot be that dense.
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