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On April 15 2011 01:35 TS-Rupbar wrote:
July didn't have to wait for four hours. White-Ra oubiously wasn't going to show up, which was clear from the beginning. DreamHack is such a major event that NASL should have postponed.
To the ones saying that White-Ra should have played the games in Sweden, I ask you to put yourself in his shoes:
You have just lost a 100 000 SEK (about 15 000 USD) tournament by getting cheesed in the deciding game. Yeah, let's go straight to a LAN center in a foreign country and play more games in a tournament, which you are already late to, and in which you are the underdog again. lol. Furthermore, NASL knew about the clash beforehand.
Seems to me like NASL just should have rescheduled and not have made July wait four hours.
Yeah. At least offer the reschedule after the 45m. No reason for July to wait 4 hours to take the win.
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On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins.
You are out of your mind.
Everyone made a poor decision except the person that didn't showed up without letting it know?
Do you know what you are saying?
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On April 15 2011 01:53 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:33 mcc wrote:On April 15 2011 01:30 FliedLice wrote:On April 15 2011 01:24 earl2002 wrote:On April 15 2011 01:18 syllogism wrote:
Whether he ignored them on purpose or due to other reasons isn't very relevant as he most definitely was in contact with them at some point right before or after the scheduled time and was told he had to play. Even assuming he wasn't ignoring them on purpose, he should have made sure to check his phone whenever he had time. Also how do you check the phone that's gone off? Tell me I'm really curious. You turn it on again, duh. I think he meant battery dying. Yes yes, I was joking :|
My bad, the "duh" was quite clear, should have gotten that  With everyone blaming everyone and people arguing the strangest things it is sometimes hard to see the humor
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Now you guys see why they wanted to keep it restricted to just having teams, because there are team managers and the like to organize and keep all this straight. White-Ra was let in as a 1 man team, and what happens? He can't keep his scheduling straight.
As much as I respect White-Ra's play and his demeanor, this is a good example of why having organized teams with accountability in them should have been held more firmly
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On April 15 2011 01:35 TS-Rupbar wrote:
July didn't have to wait for four hours. White-Ra oubiously wasn't going to show up, which was clear from the beginning. DreamHack is such a major event that NASL should have postponed.
To the ones saying that White-Ra should have played the games in Sweden, I ask you to put yourself in his shoes:
You have just lost a 100 000 SEK (about 15 000 USD) tournament by getting cheesed in the deciding game. Yeah, let's go straight to a LAN center in a foreign country and play more games in a tournament, which you are already late to, and in which you are the underdog again. lol. Furthermore, NASL knew about the clash beforehand.
Seems to me like NASL just should have rescheduled and not have made July wait four hours.
That is called professionalism. "I'm tired and depressed" is not a legitimate reason to skip a match without contacting the tournament organizers who have been working hard to create their schedule for a 50-person 5 days/wk league with the biggest prize money pool outside of Korea. Also, it's not like White-Ra was stranded in a middle of nowhere where nobody can communicate with him and nobody knows anything about NASL.
NASL in fact gave him 4 hours instead of the regular 45 minutes because of him being at Dreamhack. NASL should actually have announced W/O without even having to ask July.
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ok so it's just bigjoe that an idiot/troll
faith in humanity slightly restored
you guys realize we're mostly all arguing with 1 idiot right?
WR should have found one fellow progamer or computer to e-mail and say to not wait for him once he decided for whatever reason he didn't want to play. NASL should've followed their rules, which is what WR may have been assuming. neither of them are assholes for his; just mistakes
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On April 15 2011 01:46 alexcasto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:25 Darthigor wrote:On April 15 2011 01:12 syllogism wrote:On April 15 2011 01:04 Darthigor wrote:On April 15 2011 00:53 lazyfeet wrote:
How whould you feel if you have to wake up 4 in the morning to play and your opponent didn't show up. The rule of nasl clearly stated that after 45min if one not showing up means forfeit. He then have to wait another 4 hour and nasl make him choose rather or not you reschedule the game. And please don't make excuse for whitera. Sjow leave dreamhack same time as whitera. WhiteRa is the one went to the afterparty. He got 4 hours to find any location with pc and he can play. There is so many Sweden players around I'm sure one of them would help. Yea, white-ra should've found some pc cafe with sweden language windows and starcraft installed, with unfamiliar keyboard and mouse, and without any rest after hard matches against best players from the world. Then lose 0-2 to July fairly (irony) He knew about the match, was in contact with NASL and then ignored further inquiries. There were people at DH that could have assisted him. He either forgot or didn't want to play; either way the whole thing was handled in a reasonable manner. i'm not fanboying or anything, and it was probably really white-ra fault for not trying to communicate with NASL, but i'd like to see any human who would calmly go find some ways of communications and play next tournament just after competing in a big tournament against best players in the world, beating everyone and almost winning the whole thing, and in the end left with nothing. Too bad that both NASL and DH could organize their games so players could compete without those stressful situations. ...waaait.. lemme get this straight... You would like to see a human who would calmly go find out if his match in a ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND US DOLLARS TOURNAMENT is on or not? too bad players couldn't organise themselves to be professional so NASL organisers wouldn't be in those stressful situations. (see wut i did der?)
lol, yea, tell maraphon runner who just crossed finish line that he should run another maraphon, and if he win he will get million dollarz! ^^
As someone here said - they dont schedule Olympics when there is Athletics World Championships for a reason.
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On April 15 2011 02:29 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins. You are out of your mind. Everyone made a poor decision except the person that didn't showed up without letting it know? Do you know what you are saying?
I mean. Did he not say if he was at dreamhack he probably wouldn't make it. Nobody knows if he bm or not
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I thought there might be a scheduling conflict with theses two events...its too bad but a fair decision
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On April 15 2011 02:22 BigJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius... First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins.
So, White-Ra is the only good guy here for not showing up and because nobody really heard from him since then, he's innocent. He's a poor victim of the incompetent NASL and cowardly July who cheated White-Ra by showing up on time and waiting according to NASL's wishes...
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This is really unfortunate, would have loved to see them battle it out. What I dont understand though, why did NASL change its mind about rescheduling after whitera didnt show up? They say the schedule is too tight to postpone anything, but then they give July the choice after he waited for 4 hours. If something like this happens again there should be strict rules. Either the players might reschedule (one or two games a season) or they forfeit the game strictly after 45 minutes. From a spectators point of view the first is of course preferable.
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On April 15 2011 02:44 sleigh bells wrote:
ok so it's just bigjoe that an idiot/troll
faith in humanity slightly restored
you guys realize we're mostly all arguing with 1 idiot right?
WR should have found one fellow progamer or computer to e-mail and say to not wait for him once he decided for whatever reason he didn't want to play. NASL should've followed their rules, which is what WR may have been assuming. neither of them are assholes for his; just mistakes
Wait... so we know for sure now WR didnt want to play?
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On April 15 2011 03:22 chestnutman wrote:
This is really unfortunate, would have loved to see them battle it out. What I dont understand though, why did NASL change its mind about rescheduling after whitera didnt show up? They say the schedule is too tight to postpone anything, but then they give July the choice after he waited for 4 hours. If something like this happens again there should be strict rules. Either the players might reschedule (one or two games a season) or they forfeit the game strictly after 45 minutes. From a spectators point of view the first is of course preferable.
White-Ra vs July was the first match scheduled for the day, so I guess still had the option to delay the match until the last match scheduled this day had been played... Looking at the pregame show they didn't mention anything about White-Ra not having showed up at that point, so they probably still kept it as an possibility.
Just guessing here, but that makes sense at least to me 
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Sucks but i think it was handled quite well. Maybe we can get a show match out of them =D
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I feel awfully sorry for White-Ra after the DH finals; it's extremely sad to have him get that loss without even having been given a chance to stand against July. It would've been quite a game.
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wow yall waited 4 hours. maybe a policy should be adapted to suit such situations. ie. after one hour the player has forfeited their right to compete unless arrangements or notification has been otherwise given.. July does need his sleep after all ;\
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On April 15 2011 03:27 BigJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 02:44 sleigh bells wrote:
ok so it's just bigjoe that an idiot/troll
faith in humanity slightly restored
you guys realize we're mostly all arguing with 1 idiot right?
WR should have found one fellow progamer or computer to e-mail and say to not wait for him once he decided for whatever reason he didn't want to play. NASL should've followed their rules, which is what WR may have been assuming. neither of them are assholes for his; just mistakes Wait... so we know for sure now WR didnt want to play?
I'm not even going to say anything witty here. I am lost for words.
This is... Unfortunate, but understandable. The NASL has such a tight schedule that something like this had to happen at some point. It's a shame that White-Ra couldn't play, but, meh, shit happens.
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why wait 4 hours when you know he cant show up? Just change the time in the first place...
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Unfortunate but I guess it makes sense to give July the win since he waited.
I just don't understand why it's a problem to reschedule, if their might be a scheduling issue...just play the game any other night during the year? That should be standard procedure no?
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On April 15 2011 01:17 hifriend wrote:
I don't understand why they wouldn't reschedule right from the beginning? It's NASL's fault if july has to wake up at 4 and wait for hours on end, if they were just assuming that white-ra wouldn't make it to the finals.
I agree. I mean, I understand that NASL doesn't want to become "the league that bends their schedule for other leagues" but being an offline tournament IMO it falls in their court to adjust their schedule in advance. As far as I can tell from their summary, the most they attempted to compromise was asking Dreamhack to arrange for a PC that White-Ra could've played on there.
Between scheduling July to play at 4am his time and White-Ra on the same day as a Dreamhack, it clearly wasn't an ideal time for either of them. Is the production staff's time so deadlocked that they couldn't have played and casted the game a couple days early and saved it for later?
That said, I have lots of respect for July for waiting 4 hours to play and think he deserved the awarded victory. Meanwhile, it sucks for White-Ra that the events fell into place like this... I'm still a fan of his play and hope for the best for Duckload. Maybe in the future, he can get a manager that will be able to negotiate these sorts of things better.
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