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On April 15 2011 01:14 earl2002 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:12 syllogism wrote:
He knew about the match, was in contact with NASL and then ignored further inquiries. How do you know that? He knew he was late and his phone might have just gone off. Are you sure he got all the messages and *ignored* NASL and July on purpose? That's a bold statement to make.
Whether he ignored them on purpose or due to other reasons isn't very relevant as he most definitely was in contact with them at some point right before or after the scheduled time and was told he had to play. Even assuming he wasn't ignoring them on purpose, he should have made sure to check his phone whenever he had time.
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On April 15 2011 01:14 earl2002 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:12 syllogism wrote:
He knew about the match, was in contact with NASL and then ignored further inquiries. How do you know that? He knew he was late and his phone might have just gone off. Are you sure he got all the messages and *ignored* NASL and July on purpose? That's a bold statement to make.
As you said, he knew he was late -- that's all that matters. The rules are that you if you're 45 minutes late, you forfeit. He knew what time the match was supposed to be, it was his responsibility to make it. Whether he "ignored" NASL's messages or just couldn't get in contact is irrelevant.
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On April 15 2011 01:04 Darthigor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 00:53 lazyfeet wrote:
How whould you feel if you have to wake up 4 in the morning to play and your opponent didn't show up. The rule of nasl clearly stated that after 45min if one not showing up means forfeit. He then have to wait another 4 hour and nasl make him choose rather or not you reschedule the game. And please don't make excuse for whitera. Sjow leave dreamhack same time as whitera. WhiteRa is the one went to the afterparty. He got 4 hours to find any location with pc and he can play. There is so many Sweden players around I'm sure one of them would help. Yea, white-ra should've found some pc cafe with sweden language windows and starcraft installed, with unfamiliar keyboard and mouse, and without any rest after hard matches against best players from the world. Then lose 0-2 to July fairly (irony)
You realize that White-Ra knew the scheduling of both matches before hand right? Its not like NASL told him "hey in 20 minutes your playing july." The conflict was known ahead of time.
Do you also think he didnt bring his own mouse and keyboard to DH? I don't see how anyone could say July was wrong for taking the win. He waited far longer than was necessary for a no show.
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On April 15 2011 01:18 dormer wrote:
As you said, he knew he was late -- that's all that matters. The rules are that you if you're 45 minutes late, you forfeit. He knew what time the match was supposed to be, it was his responsibility to make it. Whether he "ignored" NASL's messages or just couldn't get in contact is irrelevant.
Given the circumstances I'm ok with July given the free win.
However it's totally NASL's fault that they had conflict in schedule with dreamhack. DH is one day major LAN, NASL is 12-weeks long offline league. Obviously they have more flexibility and should have done something about it.
Basically NASL told whitera to choose between DH and NASL. So don't blame whitera for choosing DH final, that's an obvious choice. It's just that NASL should never put players in such situation.
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On April 15 2011 01:04 Darthigor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 00:53 lazyfeet wrote:
How whould you feel if you have to wake up 4 in the morning to play and your opponent didn't show up. The rule of nasl clearly stated that after 45min if one not showing up means forfeit. He then have to wait another 4 hour and nasl make him choose rather or not you reschedule the game. And please don't make excuse for whitera. Sjow leave dreamhack same time as whitera. WhiteRa is the one went to the afterparty. He got 4 hours to find any location with pc and he can play. There is so many Sweden players around I'm sure one of them would help. Yea, white-ra should've found some pc cafe with sweden language windows and starcraft installed, with unfamiliar keyboard and mouse, and without any rest after hard matches against best players from the world. Then lose 0-2 to July fairly (irony)
What's so funny about that, people like Sjow, Jinro and MorroW were there. I'm pretty sure they would've been glad to help him find some LAN center or something.
And progamers usually have their mouse and keyboard around anyway, what do you think he played with at dreamhack?
Shouldn't be that hard to plug them into another PC :|
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On April 15 2011 01:18 syllogism wrote:
Whether he ignored them on purpose or due to other reasons isn't very relevant as he most definitely was in contact with them at some point right before or after the scheduled time and was told he had to play. Even assuming he wasn't ignoring them on purpose, he should have made sure to check his phone whenever he had time.
He was in contact before the final and before he was late. He was told he had to play and obviously went for DH, who would have chosen differently?
Then NASL failed to contact him and let him know that they are still waiting for him even though they shouldn't have; giving themselves an excuse. It's not that whitera should have contacted them after he thought it's over (right after the finals).
Also how do you check the phone that's gone off? Tell me I'm really curious.
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On April 15 2011 01:12 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:04 Darthigor wrote:On April 15 2011 00:53 lazyfeet wrote:
How whould you feel if you have to wake up 4 in the morning to play and your opponent didn't show up. The rule of nasl clearly stated that after 45min if one not showing up means forfeit. He then have to wait another 4 hour and nasl make him choose rather or not you reschedule the game. And please don't make excuse for whitera. Sjow leave dreamhack same time as whitera. WhiteRa is the one went to the afterparty. He got 4 hours to find any location with pc and he can play. There is so many Sweden players around I'm sure one of them would help. Yea, white-ra should've found some pc cafe with sweden language windows and starcraft installed, with unfamiliar keyboard and mouse, and without any rest after hard matches against best players from the world. Then lose 0-2 to July fairly (irony) He knew about the match, was in contact with NASL and then ignored further inquiries. There were people at DH that could have assisted him. He either forgot or didn't want to play; either way the whole thing was handled in a reasonable manner.
i'm not fanboying or anything, and it was probably really white-ra fault for not trying to communicate with NASL, but i'd like to see any human who would calmly go find some ways of communications and play next tournament just after competing in a big tournament against best players in the world, beating everyone and almost winning the whole thing, and in the end left with nothing.
Too bad that both NASL and DH could organize their games so players could compete without those stressful situations.
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On April 15 2011 01:24 earl2002 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:18 syllogism wrote:
Whether he ignored them on purpose or due to other reasons isn't very relevant as he most definitely was in contact with them at some point right before or after the scheduled time and was told he had to play. Even assuming he wasn't ignoring them on purpose, he should have made sure to check his phone whenever he had time. Also how do you check the phone that's gone off? Tell me I'm really curious.
You turn it on again, duh.
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Sounds like a case of mis-communication at this point. Note the NASL rules state that if you can't play at the schedule time it's forfeit after 45 minutes. White-Ra was therefore probably under the impression that when he chose to play the DH finals he had already auto-forfeited and therefore had no reason to contact NASL admins or to expect a call from them. I'm curious as to whether NASL actually told White-Ra they were extending the wait time for him prior to DH. If they didn't, then it doesn't make much sense to blame White-Ra as he could not expect them to bend the rules at the last minute.
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On April 15 2011 01:30 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:24 earl2002 wrote:On April 15 2011 01:18 syllogism wrote:
Whether he ignored them on purpose or due to other reasons isn't very relevant as he most definitely was in contact with them at some point right before or after the scheduled time and was told he had to play. Even assuming he wasn't ignoring them on purpose, he should have made sure to check his phone whenever he had time. Also how do you check the phone that's gone off? Tell me I'm really curious. You turn it on again, duh.
I think he meant battery dying.
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People are still arguing this? It's been and done. Please let it drop. T_T
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July didn't have to wait for four hours. White-Ra oubiously wasn't going to show up, which was clear from the beginning. DreamHack is such a major event that NASL should have postponed.
To the ones saying that White-Ra should have played the games in Sweden, I ask you to put yourself in his shoes:
You have just lost a 100 000 SEK (about 15 000 USD) tournament by getting cheesed in the deciding game. Yeah, let's go straight to a LAN center in a foreign country and play more games in a tournament, which you are already late to, and in which you are the underdog again. lol. Furthermore, NASL knew about the clash beforehand.
Seems to me like NASL just should have rescheduled and not have made July wait four hours.
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Does WhiteRa have a coach, or a manager? As a one man team it may be hard to resolve scheduling issues and such.
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On April 15 2011 01:35 TS-Rupbar wrote:
July didn't have to wait for four hours. White-Ra oubiously wasn't going to show up, which was clear from the beginning. DreamHack is such a major event that NASL should have postponed.
To the ones saying that White-Ra should have played the games in Sweden, I ask you to put yourself in his shoes:
You have just lost a 100 000 SEK (about 15 000 USD) tournament by getting cheesed in the deciding game. Yeah, let's go straight to a LAN center in a foreign country and play more games in a tournament, which you are already late to, and in which you are the underdog again. lol. Furthermore, NASL knew about the clash beforehand.
Seems to me like NASL just should have rescheduled and not have made July wait four hours.
I doubt NASL wants to be known as the tournament that postpones their schedule for the sake of other tournaments. It's like people don't remember that these tournaments/leagues are in competition with each other. If NASL bends over for DH, that sets a precedent, which from the players' perspective means NASL will probably bend over for other major tournaments as well, leading to more NASL matches being postponed and the perception that NASL isn't an important league.
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The fact is that both of these guys knew the rules of this tournament before it started. By agreeing to take part and possibly win a large amount of money they also have to follow the rules and decisions of those in charge of the NASL. If they do not follow the rules than they will face the consequences, in this case losing 0-2. All outside factors do not matter. If you agree that you will be somewhere at a specific time and outside factors prevent you from being there, you still broke the agreement and are therefore responsible for the consequences regardless of any intent. White-Ra is a grown up. He knows this and no doubt had/has a very good reason for not playing. He obviously knew what he was doing, otherwise we would see complaints from him. No doubt he accepts the terms of his forfeit and will give us great games in the future. As I stated above, it's not like he can't afford to give them a handicap.
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On April 15 2011 01:25 Darthigor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:12 syllogism wrote:On April 15 2011 01:04 Darthigor wrote:On April 15 2011 00:53 lazyfeet wrote:
How whould you feel if you have to wake up 4 in the morning to play and your opponent didn't show up. The rule of nasl clearly stated that after 45min if one not showing up means forfeit. He then have to wait another 4 hour and nasl make him choose rather or not you reschedule the game. And please don't make excuse for whitera. Sjow leave dreamhack same time as whitera. WhiteRa is the one went to the afterparty. He got 4 hours to find any location with pc and he can play. There is so many Sweden players around I'm sure one of them would help. Yea, white-ra should've found some pc cafe with sweden language windows and starcraft installed, with unfamiliar keyboard and mouse, and without any rest after hard matches against best players from the world. Then lose 0-2 to July fairly (irony) He knew about the match, was in contact with NASL and then ignored further inquiries. There were people at DH that could have assisted him. He either forgot or didn't want to play; either way the whole thing was handled in a reasonable manner. i'm not fanboying or anything, and it was probably really white-ra fault for not trying to communicate with NASL, but i'd like to see any human who would calmly go find some ways of communications and play next tournament just after competing in a big tournament against best players in the world, beating everyone and almost winning the whole thing, and in the end left with nothing. Too bad that both NASL and DH could organize their games so players could compete without those stressful situations.
...waaait.. lemme get this straight...
You would like to see a human who would calmly go find out if his match in a ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND US DOLLARS TOURNAMENT is on or not?
too bad players couldn't organise themselves to be professional so NASL organisers wouldn't be in those stressful situations.
(see wut i did der?)
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i hope nasl learns from this and make sure that there wont be any freewins, tournaments like this should not have freewins
@ at the wo for july: to be honest the only thing that matters to me as viewer is that i wont be able to see the best match of the first week, which suxs
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On April 15 2011 01:33 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:30 FliedLice wrote:On April 15 2011 01:24 earl2002 wrote:On April 15 2011 01:18 syllogism wrote:
Whether he ignored them on purpose or due to other reasons isn't very relevant as he most definitely was in contact with them at some point right before or after the scheduled time and was told he had to play. Even assuming he wasn't ignoring them on purpose, he should have made sure to check his phone whenever he had time. Also how do you check the phone that's gone off? Tell me I'm really curious. You turn it on again, duh. I think he meant battery dying.
Yes yes, I was joking :|
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everyone trolling this forum now. nobody even reading the whole conversation, they see one post and are like "ZOMG MUST TROLL"
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On April 15 2011 01:02 stk01001 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 00:46 BigJoe wrote:On April 15 2011 00:34 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. He did earn it by showing up. The fact that you are blaming the player who showed up is rather ludicrous. Yeah let me play a 1v4 against MC, MKP, MVP, and JULY then them not show up. automatic win. i should then get sponsored and have my own progaming team because im so gosu. You dont earn wins just by showing up... I didnt blame anybody, it was poor decision making by everyone and July took an easy out. I can rage about it. wow.. I guess people like you are the reason there's a 33 page long about this... lol.. it was single unfortunate incident and the way it was handled was totally reasonable. Shit happens, it's unfortunate, end of story. White_Ra I'm sure is perfectly fine with the decision... to actually "rage" at July as if he did something wrong is completely ridiculous.. I mean I can't even wrap my head around how someone would actually be pissed at July for this... makes no logical sense whatsoever.. poor decision making by everyone? WTF are you talking about? so what exactly would you have done in their place? please enlighten us as to what the proper course of action would have been since your such a genius...
First of all I never thought of myself as a genius, but thanks I guess I kinda am? Please read previous posts before trolling. Poor Decision from NASL for not following their rules they initially set in placed, giving July the choice after 4 hours and for not figuring out what to do ahead of time in case this sort of thing happened. Poor decision by July because he didnt take the win after 45 minutes, so he has no reason to complain about staying up till 8am. Poor decision making by White-Ra? Maybe not so much since nobody really heard from him. Nobody knows if he didnt get his messages or just got caught up in his tournament. If I was in July's place I would have played one way or the other, that's just me. I'm sorry if I like to deserve wins.
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