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On April 14 2011 22:22 Alexj wrote:
White-Ra was in a foreign country, he doesn't speak sweden. How is he supposed to know all internet clubs in Stockholm? How is he supposed to answer emails while playing the final games vs MC?
Sjow on the other hand is Sweden, and he was eliminated hours earlier.
Obviously a final game in a major tournament means more than a division game. There is very little we can blame NASL for, but blaming White-Ra is total BS.
Oh come on, he was there with all the other progamers and I'm pretty sure if he had asked Sjow or anyone else (Jinro is swedish, TLO probably knows Stockholm quite well by now, Morrow is swedish too) they would've helped him find some place for him to get his games done... Xeris even told him to ask Sjow. It's White-Ra! Nobody would have turned him down there.
You're right, he can't answer while playing. But that's why they waited 3 more hours afterwards :|
And how was Sjow eliminated HOURS earlier? He lost the semis to White-Ra and then the Final started like 15-20 minutes afterwards. And Sjow didn't rush out then, he was still on stage with all the other players after the Finals were over and MC got his money...
It's really unfortunate, but from the information we have there is really nobody to blame except for White-Ra 
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If July sits there ready to play for 4 hours no one can fault him for not going for a rescheduling. If White_Ra can't make it he has to notify the league and not waste his opponent's time.
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Lots of post counts even lower than mine!
New accounts made to defend a certain individual?!
@the people who think July is making a greedy decision by taking the win, let's see how you like it when that happens to you.
@people making excuses to cover WhiteRa about him getting cheesed in DH, go back to the DH thread and whine there.
WR was irresponsible for not following through with the organizers, what more is there?
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It's a normal decision, althought it's kinda sad.
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On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra
Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly.
Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown:
July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here.
NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong.
White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over.
It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it.
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After reading this thread it seems to me it went like this:
White-Ra: I am about to play in the finals. Pleast postpone my game
NASL: We can't postpone
White-Ra: ... crap. *Turns off the phone*
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honestly the least white-ra could have done was tell nasl hes too ______? to play his game right now so july can go back to sleep and not let his fans blame july when its entirely his own fault.
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On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it.
I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it.
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bc then everyone will reschedule
if people are running late to a game, they are already going to be more likely to be like "fuck it, I'm _____; they will wait 4 hours for me"
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On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it.
At that point rescheduling was not an option, they should have rescheduled it long before DH, but that did not happen and so win for July is perfectly reasonable.
Also why can't you just argue your point and not take low jabs at July.
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On April 14 2011 23:44 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. At that point rescheduling was not an option, they should have rescheduled it long before DH, but that did not happen and so win for July is perfectly reasonable. Also why can't you just argue your point and not take low jabs at July.
How was rescheduling not an option? The original post says "After four hours of waiting, we gave July the choice to take a free win or reschedule". Why cant I take jabs at July? It was a game I was really looking forward to.
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I can just give my insight. White-Ra have mailed NASL several times and I think myself I sent in total four mails to explain the situation. I think it's a strange move from NASL to lock people to play a certain weekday for 9 weeks without wildcards. I can just say that White-Ra and I did everything to try to solve this but it seems it was impossible.
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On April 14 2011 23:52 BigJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:44 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. At that point rescheduling was not an option, they should have rescheduled it long before DH, but that did not happen and so win for July is perfectly reasonable. Also why can't you just argue your point and not take low jabs at July. How was rescheduling not an option? The original post says "After four hours of waiting, we gave July the choice to take a free win or reschedule". Why cant I take jabs at July? It was a game I was really looking forward to.
Think about July, he got up at 4am in the middle of the night, then the dude doesn't show up after 45minutes, you decide to wait another 3hours and 15minutes... it's 8am by now and then they ask you wether you want to get up at 4am again on another day risking that he won't show up again or you'll just leave it at that and take the game...
I cann totally understand July's decision... NASL should have given him the win right away and not put the decision up to him.
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if july was gonna pick reschedule he would have done it before white-ra made him wait for 4 hours after making him wake up at 4 in the morning. white-ras actions showed july disrespect personally. thats what it comes down to and why if your mad anyone is a better choice to get mad at than july.
i cant stress this enough, theres no 1 person to blame, but no matter what dont blame july. who can say they wouldent be mad if their friend told them to meet someplace the next day at 4am, then when you wake up ready to meet your friend he makes you wait 4 hours while his phone is off. especially when the 3 most likely reasons for missing it were drinking/sleeping/being pissed off.
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On April 14 2011 23:56 Hellspawnl wrote:
I can just give my insight. White-Ra have mailed NASL several times and I think myself I sent in total four mails to explain the situation. I think it's a strange move from NASL to lock people to play a certain weekday for 9 weeks without wildcards. I can just say that White-Ra and I did everything to try to solve this but it seems it was impossible.
They don't even need to give wildcards, it is easily possible to create strict and clear rules to accommodate schedule changes by casting from replays, which should not matter to them as they are not broadcasting live. And for people saying they have such a busy schedule that it would mean a lot of organizational work, worst case scenario is that on average about 1 game a week would have to be casted from replays. That is not such a big amount of work to organize one referee and two players to play at mutually agreed time.
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Do we really need 33 pages on this?
I hate how we've gotten to the point where someone always has to be blamed for everything. The players involved have most likely already moved on from this and let it go, so should we. Seems to me like a simple situation of circumstances that coupled with some miscommunication lead to an unfortunate result. Doesn't mean White-Ra can't still win more games in the NASL, or July is a bad guy for just taking the wins, or the NASL is unreasonable. Isn't it for once just possible that things didn't work out as planned and although unfortunate everyone can just learn a bit and move on? Sometimes in life that bad timing and unfortunate S*** just happens...
In the spectrum of things, and even of this season of the NASL it isn't really that big of a deal.
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There are 2 different issues.
First is if NASL should have rescheduled the game to a different day. This depends on how far ahread of time NASL was informed of a possible conflict, as it is not their responsibility to check the schedule of all other tournaments for their players. Obviously if the first they hear of it is less than 24 hours before the games there isn't much they can do. That said NASL has chosen a format that is very inflexible to players without significant advanced notice and so I would not be at all surprised to see this sort of issue again.
I have not seen anything saying when NASL was informed of a possible conflict with White-ra so we don't know where the problem was there yet.
The second issue is White-ra making the finals and asking for a postponement. People somehow have the idea that White-ra intentionally made July wait because he is a jerk or something. White-ra tells NASL he made finals and asks for postponement, NASL says they can't postpone. What happens after that is really unknown until White-ra says anything about it. Maybe he thought he forfeit already and went to the party, maybe there was a mistranslation about the LAN he didn't understand, maybe he didn't think he had time anyway, or maybe he really did not care about the match. Some of these situations, as people have pointed out, are reasonable for White-ra and others he failed to keep in contact with NASL. More importantly, I wouldn't blame anyone until the circumstances are known.
I am sure all parties wanted this match to be played at some point. Both July and White-ra would have been aware it was an anticipated match. July should be credited for staying as late as he did, and while a reschedule would have been preferred for the spectators, I don't think him taking a win is greedy from his position.
The most important thing is, regardless of blame, everyone can learn and take steps to help prevent this sort of thing in the future.
Wow, I didn't know I wrote that much.
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NASL should have made their own decision instead of "pushing it" onto July x.x
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On April 15 2011 00:02 Alver wrote:
if july was gonna pick reschedule he would have done it before white-ra made him wait for 4 hours after making him wake up at 4 in the morning. white-ras actions showed july disrespect personally. thats what it comes down to and why if your mad anyone is a better choice to get mad at than july.
i cant stress this enough, theres no 1 person to blame, but no matter what dont blame july. who can say they wouldent be mad if their friend told them to meet someplace the next day at 4am, then when you wake up ready to meet your friend he makes you wait 4 hours while his phone is off. especially when the 3 most likely reasons for missing it were drinking/sleeping/being pissed off.
White-Ra didn't ask to wait 4 hours. NASL should have waited 45 min as stated in rules, well maybe an hour because of dreamhack, and just give a win to July. That's July and NASL own fault to prolong this. Probably by doing this they showed a respect for a player like White-ra, so I hope White-Ra will apologize for this unfortunate incident and things go well again 
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On April 15 2011 00:01 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:52 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 23:44 mcc wrote:On April 14 2011 23:36 BigJoe wrote:On April 14 2011 22:50 Ocedic wrote:On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra Yeah that's why July waited 4 hours even though he could've taken the win at 45 minutes. Scared silly. Why is everyone ostracizing someone for the sake of it? Here's a breakdown: July: He was ready for his match, waited for 4 hours when he technically only had to wait 45 minutes. It was a poor choice to give the decision to July, because it makes him look like the bad guy when he is probably the least responsible party here. NASL: They tried to contact White Ra and couldn't. For those saying they should've rescheduled, shut the fuck up. This is a league on a tight schedule with many participants. It's not their job to schedule around 50 people. It is not their fault their participants sign up for conflicting or narrowly conflicting tournaments. The only thing NASL did wrong was putting the burden of choice on JulyZerg instead of just putting their foot down and giving White Ra and automatic forfeit. That was a cop out, but otherwise they did nothing wrong. White Ra: People are judging White Ra way too harshly. Hypothetical worst case scenario: He knew about his match, had ample opportunity to play it, and just blew it off to party. So what? He just got out of a harrowing series with MC. He wants to relax and enjoy his time in Sweden. The only semi dick move is not responding to Xeris' communications, as it left everyone in the dark and made July had to wait. But it's certainly not worth making a huge deal over. It's like you people just want to create mountains out of anthills and make drama out of nowhere. Shit happens, get over it. I agree it was a pretty poor choice of NASL to give the choice to July, but if he was really willing to wait that long why not just reschedule? The matches are not even aired live, they are rebroadcast... so it would be easy to play the match and then air it on a different date. White-Ra should have been more responsible and prepared for this but sometimes people find themselves in a situation where it is not possible to reply. July got an easy win from a hard opponent, guess he doesnt care to win a tournament and not earn it. At that point rescheduling was not an option, they should have rescheduled it long before DH, but that did not happen and so win for July is perfectly reasonable. Also why can't you just argue your point and not take low jabs at July. How was rescheduling not an option? The original post says "After four hours of waiting, we gave July the choice to take a free win or reschedule". Why cant I take jabs at July? It was a game I was really looking forward to. Think about July, he got up at 4am in the middle of the night, then the dude doesn't show up after 45minutes, you decide to wait another 3hours and 15minutes... it's 8am by now and then they ask you wether you want to get up at 4am again on another day risking that he won't show up again or you'll just leave it at that and take the game... I cann totally understand July's decision... NASL should have given him the win right away and not put the decision up to him.
Would they have had to reschedule for the same time? Maybe they could have made White-Ra get up at 4am instead since he didnt make it the first time. That way it is at least somewhat fair yah know?
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