EPTI'm sad that we won't see WhiteRa vs July
[NASL] July awarded 2-0 victory over White-Ra - Page 31
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
I'm sad that we won't see WhiteRa vs July | ||
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Trakz
Canada178 Posts
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Zinthar
United States394 Posts
On April 14 2011 16:34 Vorenius wrote: And somehow half the people in this thread are angry at NASL? :s How on earth does that make sense. Some people just want to bitch and moan for the sake of it... It's not bitching for the sake of it -- fans and NASL subscribers have a right to be disappointed by the poor planning at work here considering that they could have avoided a conflict in the first place given that the NASL isn't live (which is why the comparison to real life sports events is nonsense). The Dreamhack schedule was not a secret -- NASL should have switched the July-WhiteRa game with one of the games from a different group scheduled to play in one of the next 3 days (yes, this would mean that the entire group would not be playing simultaneously... but what does that matter?). They should have done this last week when it was known that WhiteRa was playing at Dreamhack. TSL3, for instance, had the foresight to not schedule any rounds of play at the same time as MLG. Perhaps it doesn't seem completely fair to make special accommodations for particular players who have scheduling conflicts, but if NASL remains inflexible, then this won't be the last forfeiture. If suddenly the games aren't being played, the entire league is a joke (especially considering that the players most likely to have scheduling conflicts are the ones who are most well-known and likely to be higher in standings). This might not have been such a big deal but for the fact that July-WhiteRa was probably the most anticipated matchup of Group 2. In the future, when there are conflicting live tournaments (you know, the kind that *can't* be rescheduled), it would be prudent of NASL to just automatically alter the schedule to move games to accommodate the players. Yes, this probably means having to send some e-mails around to other players to find suitable times, but it's probably worth it for the sake of the league. In the worst case scenario, perhaps one night will have 4 games and another will have 6. Or possibly the schedules of the casters will then conflict and the replays will have to be cast rather than a recorded live cast. Be flexible. People with other professions have to deal with stuff analogous to this all the time. | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
NASL did the correct thing. Thanks for the heads-up. <3 | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On April 14 2011 14:34 CarelessPride wrote: yup like it says NASL was told if whitera gets into the finals he couldnt play -.- so im pretty sure white ra assumed a reschedual Stop making up assumptions ffs. NASL handled the situation properly. Use some common sense: July vs White Ra was the BIGGEST MATCH of the day. You really think NASL didn't try to make that happen? Do you even think before you whine? On April 14 2011 17:45 Zinthar wrote: It's not bitching for the sake of it -- fans and NASL subscribers have a right to be disappointed by the poor planning at work here considering that they could have avoided a conflict in the first place given that the NASL isn't live (which is why the comparison to real life sports events is nonsense). The Dreamhack schedule was not a secret -- NASL should have switched the July-WhiteRa game with one of the games from a different group scheduled to play in one of the next 3 days (yes, this would mean that the entire group would not be playing simultaneously... but what does that matter?). They should have done this last week when it was known that WhiteRa was playing at Dreamhack. TSL3, for instance, had the foresight to not schedule any rounds of play at the same time as MLG. Perhaps it doesn't seem completely fair to make special accommodations for particular players who have scheduling conflicts, but if NASL remains inflexible, then this won't be the last forfeiture. If suddenly the games aren't being played, the entire league is a joke (especially considering that the players most likely to have scheduling conflicts are the ones who are most well-known and likely to be higher in standings). This might not have been such a big deal but for the fact that July-WhiteRa was probably the most anticipated matchup of Group 2. In the future, when there are conflicting live tournaments (you know, the kind that *can't* be rescheduled), it would be prudent of NASL to just automatically alter the schedule to move games to accommodate the players. Yes, this probably means having to send some e-mails around to other players to find suitable times, but it's probably worth it for the sake of the league. In the worst case scenario, perhaps one night will have 4 games and another will have 6. Or possibly the schedules of the casters will then conflict and the replays will have to be cast rather than a recorded live cast. Be flexible. People with other professions have to deal with stuff analogous to this all the time. Why exactly is the onus on NASL here? Why aren't you equally mad at Dreamhack for not rescheduling? Or why is it not the players' fault for not managing their shit? Or do you think pro players should just sign up for every tournament in the world and if it they don't show up, it's the tournament hosters' fault? Sorry, but your arguments are full of holes. NASL is an arbitrary party to blame just so you can blame someone. On April 14 2011 10:19 Cranberries wrote: + Show Spoiler + (Although tbh, I expect the 4 hours Julyzerg waited he was eating breakfast) He was probably eating something. >_> On April 14 2011 10:35 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: See now you're just making up random assumptions with no basis in fact. Blind fanboyism at it's best. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
Whitera maybe knew about the lan center, maybe not. Maybe there was some other thing that got mixed up, maybe he needed to pay more attention. Maybe he was pissed. Cool from July to wait 4h and NASL shouldn't even leave him with the decision. It's bad for Whitera if it was a complete accident and he really wanted to play but can't help it anymore. It's not July's, Whitera's or NASL's fault really. We don't know the happenings in the background so everyone should just accept the fact as it is and move along. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On April 14 2011 17:45 Zinthar wrote: It's not bitching for the sake of it -- fans and NASL subscribers have a right to be disappointed by the poor planning at work here considering that they could have avoided a conflict in the first place given that the NASL isn't live (which is why the comparison to real life sports events is nonsense). The Dreamhack schedule was not a secret -- NASL should have switched the July-WhiteRa game with one of the games from a different group scheduled to play in one of the next 3 days (yes, this would mean that the entire group would not be playing simultaneously... but what does that matter?). They should have done this last week when it was known that WhiteRa was playing at Dreamhack. TSL3, for instance, had the foresight to not schedule any rounds of play at the same time as MLG. Perhaps it doesn't seem completely fair to make special accommodations for particular players who have scheduling conflicts, but if NASL remains inflexible, then this won't be the last forfeiture. If suddenly the games aren't being played, the entire league is a joke (especially considering that the players most likely to have scheduling conflicts are the ones who are most well-known and likely to be higher in standings). This might not have been such a big deal but for the fact that July-WhiteRa was probably the most anticipated matchup of Group 2. In the future, when there are conflicting live tournaments (you know, the kind that *can't* be rescheduled), it would be prudent of NASL to just automatically alter the schedule to move games to accommodate the players. Yes, this probably means having to send some e-mails around to other players to find suitable times, but it's probably worth it for the sake of the league. In the worst case scenario, perhaps one night will have 4 games and another will have 6. Or possibly the schedules of the casters will then conflict and the replays will have to be cast rather than a recorded live cast. Be flexible. People with other professions have to deal with stuff analogous to this all the time. For every analogy you can make up I can make up one equally good for occasions where being flexible isn't possible or has its limits. | ||
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Skrelt
Netherlands306 Posts
On April 14 2011 17:29 Paradice wrote: I'm happy that NASL is taking this stuff seriously, setting the precedent. Players will be clear where they stand after this. I'm sad that we won't see WhiteRa vs July i am glad they take it seriously, but i dont like it when they, imo, forfit the best match of the week, the one i would pay to watch >.< | ||
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lundell100
Sweden232 Posts
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
There may be nothing he could do about missing the original time, But it's literally 100% on him to contact someone, actually communicate, attempt to find a computer etc... He emailed, then nothing. It's his responsibility to make the match, and even if it could be postponed...he has to say when he'd like it postponed to. The matches are played 1 day ahead of their casting, it was already the evening when he asked to postpone it...so when theoretically would he have played it? It would have had to have been at least after the party, after he went to sleep and woke up...like 16 hours later? When did he plan on playing it? Was he ever gonna let anyone know? I think this sort of thing will come up again, and I think the message everyone involved should get out of it is it's the Player himself who needs to initiate alternative arrangements, and it's the player himself who accepts the consequences if he doesn't. To me the ball is in every individual player's court, they've got to go out of their way to make it happen and communicate. I also think this may be slightly a problem with the 'DuckLoad' team thing. I remember NASL saying they wanted everyone involved to be on a Team, But DuckLoad isn't like Liquid or oGs or EG or something, It's really just White-Ra Part of the reason Geoff said he wanted the team thing is because if Tyler's phone dies, they can call Jinro, TLO, Haypro etc.... to get in touch with him. That's kinda what didn't work here. If July overslept, he's got a whole house to wake him up. (possibly with a PokeFlute) | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On April 14 2011 18:44 Ottoxlol wrote: I don't get it why ppl say this was a fair decision. NASL should've know about Dreamhack it's a pretty big event (LOL), and never even schedule White-Ra or Sjow for this day. except no1 knew Sjow would play at Dreamhack until monday (when Boxer said he wouldn't come). White-ra however should have never been scheduled for that day. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On April 14 2011 17:45 Zinthar wrote: It's not bitching for the sake of it -- fans and NASL subscribers have a right to be disappointed by the poor planning at work here considering that they could have avoided a conflict in the first place given that the NASL isn't live (which is why the comparison to real life sports events is nonsense). The Dreamhack schedule was not a secret -- NASL should have switched the July-WhiteRa game with one of the games from a different group scheduled to play in one of the next 3 days (yes, this would mean that the entire group would not be playing simultaneously... but what does that matter?). They should have done this last week when it was known that WhiteRa was playing at Dreamhack. TSL3, for instance, had the foresight to not schedule any rounds of play at the same time as MLG. Perhaps it doesn't seem completely fair to make special accommodations for particular players who have scheduling conflicts, but if NASL remains inflexible, then this won't be the last forfeiture. If suddenly the games aren't being played, the entire league is a joke (especially considering that the players most likely to have scheduling conflicts are the ones who are most well-known and likely to be higher in standings). This might not have been such a big deal but for the fact that July-WhiteRa was probably the most anticipated matchup of Group 2. In the future, when there are conflicting live tournaments (you know, the kind that *can't* be rescheduled), it would be prudent of NASL to just automatically alter the schedule to move games to accommodate the players. Yes, this probably means having to send some e-mails around to other players to find suitable times, but it's probably worth it for the sake of the league. In the worst case scenario, perhaps one night will have 4 games and another will have 6. Or possibly the schedules of the casters will then conflict and the replays will have to be cast rather than a recorded live cast. Be flexible. People with other professions have to deal with stuff analogous to this all the time. Can agree with that but you also have to consider that they let quite some time to White-Ra to react and try and reschedule the game - he could have at least try and contact them. It's NASL second day, if they start rescheduling stuff on their second day of activities, it's the door open to pretty much everyone starting doing the same thing in the coming days...it's a bit early for that in my opinion; this kind of situation should remain an exception and deciding of a walkover is probably the best way to handle it for now (and I'm telling this although I cheer for White-Ra) | ||
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Darthigor
17 Posts
So let July to have a little party, we all know that White-Ra will rest and show everyone who is the boss  | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 14 2011 15:50 Xeris wrote: Can you postpone any professional sports games? "Hey I can't come to my Olympics games because I'm playing in NBA Summer league, can you postpone my Olympic game? Thanks" Ya, that's not going to happen. Won't happen in real sports, won't happen at NASL. Real sports even if they are not cast live don't have replays. EDIT : eh the formulation was about posponing. Yea posponing is impossible, but rescheduling for earlier date beforehand ? | ||
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captive411
United States80 Posts
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
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Lingy
England201 Posts
White-ra : (( | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On April 14 2011 20:10 captive411 wrote: The NASL is a gigantic tourney that will be played out over the next 12 Weeks. There are 50 players in Division play alone. There is a huge open tourney to begin in the next stage. People will miss games. Things will happen. This is simply another challenge of coordinating a global eSports tourney. Its one thing that makes this genre amazing, but is also an obstacle. As eSports fans, we should be happy there are global scheduling conflicts. What I like about your point and this decision, even though I was as well disappointed, is that it was overall fair not just to White-Ra and July, but also to all of the other players that did make it on time. If they changed the rules just because White-Ra had another event, then all of the players would want them to change the rules for them as well. Artosis could be like "Hey, I gotta cast a game, everyone reschedule for me!" (Even though I know he would not do that). Then the question becomes where do you draw the line? When is someone's "other stuff" more important than the league? Could Incontrol have tried something like that? I have to cast the NASL, so you have to reschedule my NASL. What if another popular caster, like Day9 or something was playing in the tourney? Could he have things changed because he is busy with school and the Dailys? I think this is important because it is not only the rules, but setting precedent for all players to be treated fairly. | ||
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