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On April 14 2011 15:50 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 15:37 niklassa wrote:
i cannot understand how this should not be a nasl error? i mean it is their first season, so it's understandable. but as a professional league one should see these things coming (and they did apparently), and have the flexibility to avoid it with a good solution. Somehow playing with the laptob of another player in another location in a foreign country after beeing in the finals of a large tournament, which you communicate about during the tournament?
Somehow it is a tournament which is not really live, and still can't even postpone a game when there is a very good reason? It's just not professional. You need to have a definitive solution a week before, not just pray he does not make it to the finals and then come up with a subsubpar solution. Can you postpone any professional sports games? "Hey I can't come to my Olympics games because I'm playing in NBA Summer league, can you postpone my Olympic game? Thanks" Ya, that's not going to happen. Won't happen in real sports, won't happen at NASL.
Not the same thing. While July was properly prepared, he was most likely sitting in his own home comfortably.
While for Olympic games you need to fly yourself and your opponents to the same place for the actual match. Also Olympics is a very tight packed event (much more so then NASL.) So moving players / teams around and the space they would use is much more harder.
While July probably continued to practise / went to take a nap in his own bed / went to eat. Who knows, he was home.
Personally I think this was taken care of in the wrong way. If you knew he had a large event coming up (and iirc you guys said that these things would be taken into consideration), you guys should have prepared differently. Told for example July that the match might be postponed.
Is it fair for him? Not really, but if he was in the same position as White-Ra, I would expect him wanting the same thing.
Like said, you need to come up a solid solution. Relying on White-Ra to lose before finals is ridicolous. And there might have been chaos / problems after the event that hampered White-Ras efforts to get in contact / get to a computer.
And I find it funny how you guys are saying he should have played off a laptop some dude offered. Yeah, that'll make sure that he plays his best. Let's play a progame against one of the best Zergs on some laptop. Do you realize how much these type of things affect players? There's a reason why Flash takes a ruler to the booth when hes getting ready to play.
Just not professional imo, and sets NASL off to a bad start.
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Any word on the similar naniwa situation? I assume strelock took the WO but last I heard (before NASL started) the admins hadn't heard back from him.
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Don't cast the games live use replays and all scheduling problems will be solved!
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On April 14 2011 15:50 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 15:37 niklassa wrote:
i cannot understand how this should not be a nasl error? i mean it is their first season, so it's understandable. but as a professional league one should see these things coming (and they did apparently), and have the flexibility to avoid it with a good solution. Somehow playing with the laptob of another player in another location in a foreign country after beeing in the finals of a large tournament, which you communicate about during the tournament?
Somehow it is a tournament which is not really live, and still can't even postpone a game when there is a very good reason? It's just not professional. You need to have a definitive solution a week before, not just pray he does not make it to the finals and then come up with a subsubpar solution. Can you postpone any professional sports games? "Hey I can't come to my Olympics games because I'm playing in NBA Summer league, can you postpone my Olympic game? Thanks" Ya, that's not going to happen. Won't happen in real sports, won't happen at NASL.
Yeah thats the same thing....What NBA summer league player is even on the Olympic team? Do the NBA and Olympics withhold all their results so they can only show games played days beforehand? Its just weird to me that a league thats 100% VODs still manages to have scheduling conflicts. Wasnt there an issue with Streloks series today too? Trust me, this isnt the last time this is going to happen with the NASL.
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Good decision by NASL.
And yea I do see the point in having more strict rules and call it a loss immediately at 45min, no longer wait. Or you could say that if the player informed them there could be a scheduling issue (like whitrera obviously did) they double that to 90min whereas if the player just straight up doesnt show up they stop waiting after 45min.
But anyway a fair decision.
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On April 14 2011 15:38 Krillo wrote:
Please use a spoiler tag in title.. atleast until the EU stream is over.
Thanks
There is NO spoiler, they didn't play.....
Please think before you type.
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Unfortunate turn of events, but good decision making from NASL. I'm glad SjoW was able to play his matches despite being in a similar situation as White-Ra.
Props to July, waiting for 4 hours to play a Bo3.
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@whitewing, maybe they have such rules, then the rule is not professional. if it would be an offline event, whitera would not have attended at all nasl/dreamhack. but it is an online event, going on over a long period of time. certainly nasl doesnt suppose all player drop all other tournaments.
there are other online leagues, far older then nasl (for example eps, european pro series by esl). they have clear rules for postponing etc., and there is no need for prefering certain players, still it allows to attend important events. that nasl simply cannot postpone matches is a (minor/major) flaw, especially since they dont seem able to schedule the matches to days, people have no finals of one of the biggest european lan tournaments? 
still i dont want to blame nasl too much (they make a lot of good things happen), but they should at least admit their mistakes, so they can learn. the nightend issue was already pretty bad, and they didnt really stand up and admit their fault either.
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On April 14 2011 15:37 niklassa wrote:
i cannot understand how this should not be a nasl error? i mean it is their first season, so it's understandable. but as a professional league one should see these things coming (and they did apparently), and have the flexibility to avoid it with a good solution. Somehow playing with the laptob of another player in another location in a foreign country after beeing in the finals of a large tournament, which you communicate about during the tournament?
Somehow it is a tournament which is not really live, and still can't even postpone a game when there is a very good reason? It's just not professional. You need to have a definitive solution a week before, not just pray he does not make it to the finals and then come up with a subsubpar solution.
I understand he was obligated to perform in Dreamhack but he was ALSO obligated to perform in the NASL. Maybe I'm missing something when I read the title of PROGAMER and see PRO before GAMER, he's a professional and as explained earlier in the thread White-ra simply dropped off the face of the earth and stopped responding to the NASL staff (And was apparently later partying). Does that sound like professional conduct?
Should the NASL have air dropped a PC to White-Ra's location because he was in a different country? OR Should White-ra have anticipated that that he would have to play in another country and have prepared for such a situation? The NASL has already done a lot to ensure that there are as few schedule conflicts as possible but they can only do SO much. At some point the player has to be responsible and I think the NASL went above and beyond many other tournaments would have done.
I do believe that the NASL messed up when they gave July the final say in the situation, that is totally uncalled for because it puts him in the spotlight and could have come out looking bad (I would have taken the wins but I'm sure some people might feel pressured to reschedule and play another time).
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On April 14 2011 05:31 trashcan wrote:
Did White-Ra BM again? Why not just go to the lan center and play his games like Sjow instead of going out and celebrating losing 3-2? Really rude to NASL and fans.
I think he was required to stay and interact with Dreamhack fans...
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to bad, but it seems fair to me. but really a shame. i would have liked to see that match.
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I can't understand what all the fuzz is about. Whitera had a scheduled game today, he missed it and got an auto-loss. Yeah that sounds about right.
Unless whitera comes out and say how he interpet the whole thing I see no need rant about the situation.
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So from reading the thread so far I've gathered that WhiteRa managed to enter two tournaments and had to play in them at the same time (if he advanced in dreamhack at least) But he didn't make arrangements in advance with either tournament to postpone his matches or to make sure he could play.
Then on the day of the tournament Xeris informs him they won't be able to postpone the match. Which is understandable considering the short notice and NASL tight schedule.
He then doesn't respond to either emails or calls when he has to play and NASL wait for 4 hours before awarding July the match.
And somehow half the people in this thread are angry at NASL? :s How on earth does that make sense. Some people just want to bitch and moan for the sake of it...
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If people are actually taking the haters seriously, I would like to say it should be obvious to most people that NASL is a professional league and can't make exceptions or the whole situation would snowball.
Regretable but not NASL's fault. I'm loving the league so far guys, keep it up! More double Incontrol.
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yeah too bad , but its fair.
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It really is good for NASL to stay strict on this. I hope if any similar problems arise to any pro gamer no matter who I hope they keep to theri decisions. Good move NASL really its good too see your not making exceptions even for white ra (who's a total baller btw ^_^)
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While I am sad that we miss this epic clash of real titans (who does not feel electricity when he hears "JulyZerg versus White-Ra in a BO3"?) I understand that July got the free win. Keeping a tournament going on is too important.
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Even though i'm a White-Ra fanboy it was nothing but fair for July to get a forfeit victory, 4 hours was more than fair.
Hopefully we'll see White-Ra participate in the next NASL 
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funny how GSl has rearranged and made sure people can go to different places but NASL cant, surely knowing that they were at dreamhack should of at least offered to rearrange their game with another willing persons game. Im pretty sure a chance of how much was at dreamhack even the people running NASl wouldnt of given it up...
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On April 14 2011 17:16 Tommylew wrote:
funny how GSl has rearranged and made sure people can go to different places but NASL cant, surely knowing that they were at dreamhack should of at least offered to rearrange their game with another willing persons game. Im pretty sure a chance of how much was at dreamhack even the people running NASl wouldnt of given it up...
Yeah good point! Like when idrA had previously arranged with gomtv to leave korea for a european tournament... and at the last minute they changed their minds.
Oh wait, thats actually worse.
Kudos to NASL for having a rule, being considerate, and still enforcing it.
White-ra is a boss, he'll play awesome games, calm down trolls
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