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On April 14 2011 14:05 CarelessPride wrote:
if u read carefully u would realize whitera was never informed he had to play. -.- dream hack said no so u cant expect for white ra to respond to 2 emails and a phone call 45 mins b4 they want him to play. kinda like oh no school 2morrow kool. 6 am they call ur house and leave a message theres school! and they failed ur test cuz u didnt happen to come by 10. -.-
he never has been informed that he could actually reschedule to another day either... so he just ignores any more e-mails and thinks everything is fine and dandy?
it doesn't work that way.
the NASL schedule has been published for quite some time now, many people here are acting as if they could say "well fuck that!" and start throwing out games in a random order starting on day2... and then you go watch an IEM broadcast and complain about them not sticking to their schedule 100%, lol
On April 14 2011 14:34 CarelessPride wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:27 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On April 14 2011 14:15 CarelessPride wrote:On April 14 2011 14:08 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On April 14 2011 14:05 CarelessPride wrote:
if u read carefully u would realize whitera was never informed he had to play. -.- dream hack said no so u cant expect for white ra to respond to 2 emails and a phone call 45 mins b4 they want him to play. kinda like oh no school 2morrow kool. 6 am they call ur house and leave a message theres school! and they failed ur test cuz u didnt happen to come by 10. -.- Where do you see this? where do they say we informed white ra he had to play that day.? all they said was sjow found a place to play and informed white ra after waited 4 hours for his response. so all u get is a 4 hours of notice? who do u take white ra for? a substitute teacher? Also are you seriously suggesting they never told White-Ra in advance he had to play, just randomly called him up and was like "hey play now d00d!"?????????? Knowing Xeris I can say for 100% sure that he gave White-Ra ample notice. This is not the first time White-Ra has had issues. He lost replays in the Day 9 KOTB, and didn't save his replays for the showmatch vs Bomber. It's time players start acting like professionals, and NASL is forcing them to do that. Do you think if MVP had been 4 hours late for the GOM WC's without ever being in contact, he would have been still allowed to play? Good job by NASL with this decision (although they should not made July decide, and auto-dq'd Ra in that match). yup like it says NASL was told if whitera gets into the finals he couldnt play -.- so im pretty sure white ra assumed a reschedual
you can't fucking ASSUME stuff as a professional player in a big ass tournament like the NASL with a $100k on the line.
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rofl July scared to play White-Ra
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On April 14 2011 16:18 Helios.Star wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 15:50 Xeris wrote:On April 14 2011 15:37 niklassa wrote:
i cannot understand how this should not be a nasl error? i mean it is their first season, so it's understandable. but as a professional league one should see these things coming (and they did apparently), and have the flexibility to avoid it with a good solution. Somehow playing with the laptob of another player in another location in a foreign country after beeing in the finals of a large tournament, which you communicate about during the tournament?
Somehow it is a tournament which is not really live, and still can't even postpone a game when there is a very good reason? It's just not professional. You need to have a definitive solution a week before, not just pray he does not make it to the finals and then come up with a subsubpar solution. Can you postpone any professional sports games? "Hey I can't come to my Olympics games because I'm playing in NBA Summer league, can you postpone my Olympic game? Thanks" Ya, that's not going to happen. Won't happen in real sports, won't happen at NASL. Yeah thats the same thing....What NBA summer league player is even on the Olympic team? Do the NBA and Olympics withhold all their results so they can only show games played days beforehand? Its just weird to me that a league thats 100% VODs still manages to have scheduling conflicts. Wasnt there an issue with Streloks series today too? Trust me, this isnt the last time this is going to happen with the NASL.
I don't think you know what the NBA Summer League is, but that's not the point. While the exact situation is different, the principle of what Xeris said is true: if you agree on a time to play your match, you need to show up and play it. It isn't the league's fault that one player didn't take responsibility and show up.
On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra
Hell I don't care who my opponent was, if I waited 4 hours and they didn't show I'd take the win too.
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why the person running the tournament playing on it this a joke right
User was warned for this post
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On April 14 2011 21:15 tezul wrote:
why the person running the tournament playing on it watch incontrol win. he could be cheating some can tell him what his opponent is doin.
What? The way the tournament is set up it all but prevents cheating. I don't see how iNcontrol would be able to abuse it anymore than anyone else.
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The problem was scheduling WhiteRa to play today in the first place. However, it is also not NASL's fault. In general it just shows that there should be better coordination between major tournaments. It was a bad idea to schedule WhiteRa the same day as DreamHack. However, this is not purely NASL's fault, as WhiteRa knew perfectly well (or should have known) that he had a scheduling conflict the moment he accepted the date/time for both tournaments.
What I do feel is that it is mainly NASL's PROBLEM: July vs. WhiteRa was (by far) the most anticipated match for day 2. To WhiteRa this is an unfortunate loss. To July this is a night of sleep interrupted, but to NASL this is a publicity headache on the second day of their tournament. While NASL is thus not solely to blame for the problem, they did have the most to lose by it. It seems to me that with a little bit of foresight by the organizers (or WhiteRa, but once again, to him this is only a lost game in the group stage) this whole problem could've been avoided. As such the onus is mainly on them to prevent such fuckups from occurring again.
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On April 14 2011 21:09 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Hell I don't care who my opponent was, if I waited 4 hours and they didn't show I'd take the win too.
Exactly. Imagine getting up at 4 AM, and waiting 4 hours for somebody you don't even know to show up. I'd totally take the free win too!
Shame we couldn't see this matchup, though 
Oh, and as a side note, does anyone else find it funny that threads, which start off with nice comments for the first page, just get worse as more people post? It should get better! -_-
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On April 14 2011 15:19 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 14:34 CarelessPride wrote:On April 14 2011 14:27 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On April 14 2011 14:15 CarelessPride wrote:On April 14 2011 14:08 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On April 14 2011 14:05 CarelessPride wrote:
if u read carefully u would realize whitera was never informed he had to play. -.- dream hack said no so u cant expect for white ra to respond to 2 emails and a phone call 45 mins b4 they want him to play. kinda like oh no school 2morrow kool. 6 am they call ur house and leave a message theres school! and they failed ur test cuz u didnt happen to come by 10. -.- Where do you see this? where do they say we informed white ra he had to play that day.? all they said was sjow found a place to play and informed white ra after waited 4 hours for his response. so all u get is a 4 hours of notice? who do u take white ra for? a substitute teacher? Also are you seriously suggesting they never told White-Ra in advance he had to play, just randomly called him up and was like "hey play now d00d!"?????????? Knowing Xeris I can say for 100% sure that he gave White-Ra ample notice. This is not the first time White-Ra has had issues. He lost replays in the Day 9 KOTB, and didn't save his replays for the showmatch vs Bomber. It's time players start acting like professionals, and NASL is forcing them to do that. Do you think if MVP had been 4 hours late for the GOM WC's without ever being in contact, he would have been still allowed to play? Good job by NASL with this decision (although they should not made July decide, and auto-dq'd Ra in that match). yup like it says NASL was told if whitera gets into the finals he couldnt play -.- so im pretty sure white ra assumed a reschedual I specifically said... we can't postpone it. "April 11 @ 12:52 You can use laptop from SjoW -- he has I think. We cannot pp. =[[[ "
when i read "pp" my mind was thinking really hard.... We cannot please pause.... hmm that doesnt make sense, was white ra pausing his match to talk to Xeris? after a while i figured out it was postpone ((
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tbh after that game with Mc you cant really blame white-ra for not wantign to dive into another lol
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On April 14 2011 21:09 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 16:18 Helios.Star wrote:On April 14 2011 15:50 Xeris wrote:On April 14 2011 15:37 niklassa wrote:
i cannot understand how this should not be a nasl error? i mean it is their first season, so it's understandable. but as a professional league one should see these things coming (and they did apparently), and have the flexibility to avoid it with a good solution. Somehow playing with the laptob of another player in another location in a foreign country after beeing in the finals of a large tournament, which you communicate about during the tournament?
Somehow it is a tournament which is not really live, and still can't even postpone a game when there is a very good reason? It's just not professional. You need to have a definitive solution a week before, not just pray he does not make it to the finals and then come up with a subsubpar solution. Can you postpone any professional sports games? "Hey I can't come to my Olympics games because I'm playing in NBA Summer league, can you postpone my Olympic game? Thanks" Ya, that's not going to happen. Won't happen in real sports, won't happen at NASL. Yeah thats the same thing....What NBA summer league player is even on the Olympic team? Do the NBA and Olympics withhold all their results so they can only show games played days beforehand? Its just weird to me that a league thats 100% VODs still manages to have scheduling conflicts. Wasnt there an issue with Streloks series today too? Trust me, this isnt the last time this is going to happen with the NASL. I don't think you know what the NBA Summer League is, but that's not the point. While the exact situation is different, the principle of what Xeris said is true: if you agree on a time to play your match, you need to show up and play it. It isn't the league's fault that one player didn't take responsibility and show up. Hell I don't care who my opponent was, if I waited 4 hours and they didn't show I'd take the win too.
Do YOU know what the summer league is? I know exactly what it is...but Im not sure you do if you think Kobe, Amare Stoudamire, or Chauncey Billups would be practicing with the summer league team, especially during an olympic year. Weird how Dwight Howard is on the Olympic team but not the summer league team, isnt it. I also find it funny how NASL is compared to the Olympics in that example while Dreamhack is the summer league in that example.
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if he was out partying, pretty dick move to make july wait 4 hours. or maybe he thought NASL wouldn't bend the rules for him? if WR was all sad from having lost, he could've called someone and july could've gone back to sleep.
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On April 14 2011 21:58 Sanjuro wrote:when i read "pp" my mind was thinking really hard.... We cannot please pause.... hmm that doesnt make sense, was white ra pausing his match to talk to Xeris? after a while i figured out it was postpone ((
There's no way you can tell me a major tournament player doesn't know what pp meant.
I mean this is why they announced the entry fee and team responsibility. So people wouldn't do this. You'd think after months of them talking about holding players to a higher accountability he might have caught on.
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On April 14 2011 22:14 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 21:58 Sanjuro wrote:when i read "pp" my mind was thinking really hard.... We cannot please pause.... hmm that doesnt make sense, was white ra pausing his match to talk to Xeris? after a while i figured out it was postpone (( There's no way you can tell me a major tournament player doesn't know what pp meant. I mean this is why they announced the entry fee and team responsibility. So people wouldn't do this. You'd think after months of them talking about holding players to a higher accountability he might have caught on.
Yes, I'm sure it's common knowledge for every non English speaker that pp means postpone. White-ra's English is bad enough as is.
And just to be clear I do agree with the NASL decision. If you can't make the schedule you get an auto-loss. Pretty simple. No reason to make such a big drama of it.
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White-Ra was in a foreign country, he doesn't speak sweden. How is he supposed to know all internet clubs in Stockholm? How is he supposed to answer emails while playing the final games vs MC?
Sjow on the other hand is Sweden, and he was eliminated hours earlier.
Obviously a final game in a major tournament means more than a division game. There is very little we can blame NASL for, but blaming White-Ra is total BS.
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On April 14 2011 21:07 BigJoe wrote:
rofl July scared to play White-Ra
Nah, he stomped him in Korea
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Whitera just got cheesed for $15000. Please give him a break guys jesus christ.
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On April 14 2011 22:28 DarkGeneral wrote:Nah, he stomped him in Korea
More like WhiteRa had a huge advantage but through it away with a bad all-in...
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On April 14 2011 22:22 Alexj wrote:
White-Ra was in a foreign country, he doesn't speak sweden. How is he supposed to know all internet clubs in Stockholm? How is he supposed to answer emails while playing the final games vs MC?
Sjow on the other hand is Sweden, and he was eliminated hours earlier.
Obviously a final game in a major tournament means more than a division game. There is very little we can blame NASL for, but blaming White-Ra is total BS.
Every player in the NASL got a full, complete schedule of their matches weeks ago. White-Ra isn't some college student that forgets to go to a club meeting after classes because of a conflict with a professor's office hours. He's a professional Starcraft 2 player and should have taken measures before Dreamhack to contact NASL or find a way through a Swede at the tournament to keep in touch with NASL. Yes, higher standards do apply to these players. They aren't just run of the mill gamers.
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id really like to hear whitera comment on this and less ridiculous fanboy/hater opinions untill he does.
white-ra is my favorite european player but im pretty dissappointed about this and hope its not an indicator of white-ra in the future.
you can be disappointed in nasl and july, but if you wanna blame someone the only legit person to blame is white-ra. that being said i am disappointed in nasl for not figuring out something earlier because this was easily gonna be one of the top 3 matchups in the 9 week bracket season and its entirely possible they wont play again even if they reach the end of the lan part of the tournament.
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