After Patch 1.3 hit, I found the BC speed buff to be an INCREDIBLE buff to the once "useless" capital ship. I've been working on a project for a bit, collecting games from my Mass Air playstyle against Protoss and compiled the best replays which feature good usage of Battlecruisers. I play at a 3300-3500 Masters level as a side note.
I hope you guys will take away from this how good BCs are, especially with upgrades, Yamato, and a sizable air fleet behind them. Please leave any feedback, comments or questions you guys may have here! Please enjoy watching them as much as I did playing them!
Contents: Eight(8) replays where at least 4 Battlecruisers were used to help me win games. Games consist of NA ladder play and against practice partners.
Nice job with the replay pack. I as well have thought about BCs vs protoss as I'm struggling vs them. What I'm afraid of is like a 8-gate mass blink stalker. Someone who is very good with them could dominate BCs even with the speed. Or maybe I'm wrong. Could you talk more about your mass air strat and how its done vs toss? Thanks
Sure! Check out the link at the bottom of the OP for a more in-depth look at the guide itself if you have any other questions.
Mass Air is extremely powerful against Protoss because of how well the Banshee does against the Stalker, Protoss' main AA. It takes 2 Stalkers to kill a Banshee, so I figured a strong strategy would be one that can get a lot of Banshees out quickly hold Air superiority. The build is based off of a fast expansion into 4 Starports. The FE allows extra gas income for enough to support 4 Starports, and with that many production facilities, we can get crank out a large amount of aerial units quickly.
There is no "hard counter" to this build or style of play, and gives you an easy transition into Battlecruisers which are the nail in the coffin for Protoss. I firmly believe this style of play will eventually become standard in TvP. Check out the thread!
On April 05 2011 20:29 rmAmnesiac wrote: how do phoenixes do vs battlecruisers? if they respond to your 4 ports by throwing up stargates how do you transition?
Phoenix do terribly against BCs. They specialize in killing light air units and the armored, massive BC is just not that. Phoenix do 5x2 damage per shot on the BC, however the BC has 3 base armor. That means a Phoenix does 4 damage a shot to Battlecruisers. Very, very bad against them.
Against Stargate play, I use my own Starports and pump vikings out. With 4 Starports, I can pump out either Banshees or Vikings in the midgame to deal with the current situation, and later transition into BC with either Banshee or Viking support depending on how Protoss responds to my Air play. 4 Starports can get you a lot of units very quickly.
The best i can offer for anyone insterested in checking Battlecruiser usage after patch 1.3 at the highest levels are these two examples from two distinct series: one held at MLG Dallas 2011 the other one from last week Black Dragon League.
The best i can offer for anyone insterested in checking Battlecruiser usage after patch 1.3 at the highest levels are these two examples from two distinct series: one held at MLG Dallas 2011 the other one from last week Black Dragon League.
On April 05 2011 21:07 Escapist wrote: Dont mean to hijack anything and im sorry if thats the case. I can delete the post if you prefer no worries and sorry for disturbing
Doesn't bother me at all. Actually, I recommend you post the second replay in this thread. It's a discussion about the viability of BCs in TvP and I think this makes a great case
From a Protoss point of view once BCs got out on the field it was hard to stop even before 1.3 but then you could just not engage the army head on and go for the bases; until the Terran turned around and caught up the damage was already done. I think Voidrays (bonus damage to armored) and HT for feedback would be the best choice since with a BC and viking composition this means it will be less likely to have Ghosts out emp-ing the field. Downside(s): it would be extremely gas intensive to keep this up, hard to get both tech trees going, will need also some ground to keep the HTs from being sniped, not too mobile since an army can only move as fast as it's slowest unit and a lot of micro to pull off a win and that's a lot of "if"s. Phoenixes are out of the question but stalkers may still be a viable option with blink (again very micro intensive though). It will make matches a lot more interesting if terrans will incorporate BCs more that's for sure, I guess I will have to start thinking how exactly I can respond to this if faced with in a match.
On April 05 2011 21:20 Morilla wrote: From a Protoss point of view once BCs got out on the field it was hard to stop even before 1.3 but then you could just not engage the army head on and go for the bases; until the Terran turned around and caught up the damage was already done. I think Voidrays (bonus damage to armored) and HT for feedback would be the best choice since with a BC and viking composition this means it will be less likely to have Ghosts out emp-ing the field. Downside(s): it would be extremely gas intensive to keep this up, hard to get both tech trees going, will need also some ground to keep the HTs from being sniped, not too mobile since an army can only move as fast as it's slowest unit and a lot of micro to pull off a win and that's a lot of "if"s. Phoenixes are out of the question but stalkers may still be a viable option with blink (again very micro intensive though). It will make matches a lot more interesting if terrans will incorporate BCs more that's for sure, I guess I will have to start thinking how exactly I can respond to this if faced with in a match.
Tried a bunch of Voidrays, it failed misserably :/ I've tried Voidrays enough to realize how terrible they are against Battle Cruisers.
Let me rephrase that, I've used them enough against BC's to know they completely fall apart to the units supporting the BC's.
Without Speedrays, Viking/Marine/Ghost just RIP your voidrays, you have to be 100% sure that you know what you are doing when you engage because there is no running back, you will easily lose 80% of your Voidrays if you try run away after engaging poorly.
I've yet to see anyone use Voidrays against BC's and win, I have just stopped now, the losses are too painful. If someone can show me where they have won against BC/Marine/Ghost/Viking with a Voidray centric or even a Voidray support type unit composition, then I'd love to see it, but right now I've given up that road.
I think a better route is just Stalker/Archon/Templar/Colossus/Pray. Usually go for a quick bust when I see Terran starts making BC's, Protoss doesn't really have an answer for BC/Ghost/Viking lategame (when it starts getting into 8+ BC's, when its like 4-5 BC's then its manageable)
On April 05 2011 13:08 Synystyr wrote: ALL REPLAYS ARE POST PATCH 1.3
After Patch 1.3 hit, I found the BC speed buff to be an INCREDIBLE buff to the once "useless" capital ship. I've been working on a project for a bit, collecting games from my Mass Air playstyle against Protoss and compiled the best replays which feature good usage of Battlecruisers. I play at a 3300-3500 Masters level as a side note.
I hope you guys will take away from this how good BCs are, especially with upgrades, Yamato, and a sizable air fleet behind them. Please leave any feedback, comments or questions you guys may have here! Please enjoy watching them as much as I did playing them!
Contents: Eight(8) replays where at least 4 Battlecruisers were used to help me win games. Games consist of NA ladder play and against practice partners.
On April 05 2011 13:08 Synystyr wrote: ALL REPLAYS ARE POST PATCH 1.3
After Patch 1.3 hit, I found the BC speed buff to be an INCREDIBLE buff to the once "useless" capital ship. I've been working on a project for a bit, collecting games from my Mass Air playstyle against Protoss and compiled the best replays which feature good usage of Battlecruisers. I play at a 3300-3500 Masters level as a side note.
I hope you guys will take away from this how good BCs are, especially with upgrades, Yamato, and a sizable air fleet behind them. Please leave any feedback, comments or questions you guys may have here! Please enjoy watching them as much as I did playing them!
Contents: Eight(8) replays where at least 4 Battlecruisers were used to help me win games. Games consist of NA ladder play and against practice partners.
I think the only unit you haven't really explored in the history of this style is the incorporation of ghosts.
Ehehehe =]
Very true...I actually have very limited Ghost play experience in general. Every time I look at them, I just think "Too gas heavy, cannot afford". However, the more and more I think about it, I can just add 1-3 of them in early to help with early game defense and build up energy much like my Raven and get a couple EMPs off to deal with HTs/Stalker shields. I guess I know what I'm gonna be toying around with for a bit xD.
On April 05 2011 13:08 Synystyr wrote: ALL REPLAYS ARE POST PATCH 1.3
After Patch 1.3 hit, I found the BC speed buff to be an INCREDIBLE buff to the once "useless" capital ship. I've been working on a project for a bit, collecting games from my Mass Air playstyle against Protoss and compiled the best replays which feature good usage of Battlecruisers. I play at a 3300-3500 Masters level as a side note.
I hope you guys will take away from this how good BCs are, especially with upgrades, Yamato, and a sizable air fleet behind them. Please leave any feedback, comments or questions you guys may have here! Please enjoy watching them as much as I did playing them!
Contents: Eight(8) replays where at least 4 Battlecruisers were used to help me win games. Games consist of NA ladder play and against practice partners.
I think the only unit you haven't really explored in the history of this style is the incorporation of ghosts.
Ehehehe =]
Very true...I actually have very limited Ghost play experience in general. Every time I look at them, I just think "Too gas heavy, cannot afford". However, the more and more I think about it, I can just add 1-3 of them in early to help with early game defense and build up energy much like my Raven and get a couple EMPs off to deal with HTs/Stalker shields. I guess I know what I'm gonna be toying around with for a bit xD.
Have any replays of anyone having some remote success with Voidrays?
On April 05 2011 22:15 Arkanor wrote: Would it be possible to zip these so those of us without the premium service don't have to repeat the procedure 8 times?
Looking forward to watching these, I always wanted to be able to actually use the BC.
So any feedback? What do you guys think so far? The aim for these replays is to show that Battlecruisers are indeed a viable transition in the lategame and by far the strongest in my opinion. Thoughts?
The new BC's with support cannot be stopped by anything Protoss has once you reach a decent number of them. 4 or 5 BC's are still in the manageable range. Once this hits 8-10 or more there's simply nothing the Protoss can do. As I mentioned in your guide thread, the power of the new BC's is not just because of the movement speed increase. It's compounded by the removal of the Khydarian Amulet for HT's. Without on-demand Psi-Storms, your Marine mineral dumps become significantly stronger because heavy Starport play already forces Protoss to move away from Robotech and Colossi.
Other thoughts:
-Because of air-stacking, if you keep a decent number of Banshees alive from the midgame to pair with your BC's in the late-game, it significantly reduces the threat of Stalkers. A stack of 8-10 Banshees along with BC's simply owns Stalkers in huge numbers as evidenced in most of your replays. In the one game on Typhon peaks I think the Stalkers even had huge upgrade advantages over your air units but still got owned.
-To those trying this, DO NOT FORGET RAVENS. Not only do they let you snipe Observers which keeps the Protoss in the dark and make your Cloak Banshees even more powerful, but PDD's allow you to protect your first few BC's from Blink Stalker snipes so that you can build up towards critical mass.
-Mass marines owns all Stargate units while Terran Starport >>> Robotech. This forces the Protoss to rely on a primarily Gateway army whose best response against BC's is HT-Feedback with Blink Stalker. However your support units such as Banshees, mass marines, and Ravens will severely limit the effectiveness of these units and allow your BC's to roll them. The last resort would be Feedback along with Archons and Zealots but this can be solved by simply making Blue Flame Helions as your mineral dump.
Bottomline is that Sky Terran deathball >>> Protoss deathball. =D
On April 06 2011 06:59 Sevenofnines wrote: The new BC's with support cannot be stopped by anything Protoss has once you reach a decent number of them. 4 or 5 BC's are still in the manageable range. Once this hits 8-10 or more there's simply nothing the Protoss can do. As I mentioned in your guide thread, the power of the new BC's is not just because of the movement speed increase. It's compounded by the removal of the Khydarian Amulet for HT's. Without on-demand Psi-Storms, your Marine mineral dumps become significantly stronger because heavy Starport play already forces Protoss to move away from Robotech and Colossi.
Other thoughts:
-Because of air-stacking, if you keep a decent number of Banshees alive from the midgame to pair with your BC's in the late-game, it significantly reduces the threat of Stalkers. A stack of 8-10 Banshees along with BC's simply owns Stalkers in huge numbers as evidenced in most of your replays. In the one game on Typhon peaks I think the Stalkers even had huge upgrade advantages over your air units but still got owned.
-To those trying this, DO NOT FORGET RAVENS. Not only do they let you snipe Observers which keeps the Protoss in the dark and make your Cloak Banshees even more powerful, but PDD's allow you to protect your first few BC's from Blink Stalker snipes so that you can build up towards critical mass.
-Mass marines owns all Stargate units while Terran Starport >>> Robotech. This forces the Protoss to rely on a primarily Gateway army whose best response against BC's is HT-Feedback with Blink Stalker. However your support units such as Banshees, mass marines, and Ravens will severely limit the effectiveness of these units and allow your BC's to roll them. The last resort would be Feedback along with Archons and Zealots but this can be solved by simply making Blue Flame Helions as your mineral dump.
Bottomline is that Sky Terran deathball >>> Protoss deathball. =D
This pretty much sums it up :D In the current metagame, Starport play crushes Robo first play because of how useless that tech tree is against Terran air If I figure out a way to incorporate Ghosts during mid/lategame, it'll negate the Templar threat and should just about make Terran air one of the toughest playstyles to stop :D
On April 06 2011 12:40 Shnur wrote: Will be eyeing this thread; always wanted to do some BC experiments since new patch.
If I get enough replays for a second replay pack, I'll be sure to add it to this. BCs are freaking awesome =D
I just found this thread... I've been using you previous build pretty much exclusively against protoss… The only thing that ever gives me trouble is mass VR’s but part of that is my fault for doing sucky scouting, but this well def help against them… Anyway, I can’t wait to get home and take a look at this replay pack, I always thought BC’s would be an easy transition for this build since you have 4 Tech Lab starports, I just never liked using them because they took a week and a half to get across the map before 1.3
I just found this thread... I've been using you previous build pretty much exclusively against protoss… The only thing that ever gives me trouble is mass VR’s but part of that is my fault for doing sucky scouting, but this well def help against them… Anyway, I can’t wait to get home and take a look at this replay pack, I always thought BC’s would be an easy transition for this build since you have 4 Tech Lab starports, I just never liked using them because they took a week and a half to get across the map before 1.3
Yeah, they were also really damn good pre patch 1.3 too in my opinion, but the speed buff makes SUCH a huge difference now, they're so fast! It really helps when you need to make quick escapes or cross the map in a short amount of time
With mass Void Rays, you'll want Viking/Marine support along with Yamato to 1 shot them. A Void Ray army can't be replaced very easily at all, so just whittle away at it with Yamato and Vikings and you'll be in the clear!
On April 06 2011 21:51 Black Gun wrote: very interesting thread and replays. gonna watch them all, thanks!
Please leave feedback/comments if you have any! I'd really appreciate it Thanks and hope you enjoy :D
On April 06 2011 06:36 Synystyr wrote: So any feedback? What do you guys think so far? The aim for these replays is to show that Battlecruisers are indeed a viable transition in the lategame and by far the strongest in my opinion. Thoughts?
I've been trying it out at platinum level. Seems to be a great answer to collosus deathballs, but i've run into problems with feedback/storm/stalker. 1-2 ghosts would be ideal of course, but I doubt I could rely on my micro to get a clutch EMP done. Yamato is really great vs. voids and collosus, and there's plenty of minerals to expo liberally and build SCVs for repair and bio to support.
Opening banshee instead of siege is also making me more confident/better map control/more multitasking/more harass etc, which is a great direction for me.
On April 06 2011 20:35 Synystyr wrote: This pretty much sums it up :D In the current metagame, Starport play crushes Robo first play because of how useless that tech tree is against Terran air If I figure out a way to incorporate Ghosts during mid/lategame, it'll negate the Templar threat and should just about make Terran air one of the toughest playstyles to stop :D
I'd figure you could try slipping in 2 Ghosts after the first round of BC production. This is basically just the cost of 1 BC, so you would end up with just 1 less BC after the second round. This also lets the Ghosts build up energy while the second round of BC's are finishing up. So where you would normally have 8 BC's, you would instead have 7 BC's and 2 Ghosts. By the time you move out, the Ghosts should have enough for 2 EMP's each which should be enough. Also, since BC's are so big, your Ghosts will be hidden underneath them so that the Templar can't Feedback them unless the Protoss uses some crazy camera manipulation. Basically the EMP's are virtually guaranteed to go off and the Toss is screwed.
Nice work i think they have great potentcial its like toss going blink stalkers for mobile defence if you go air heavy and are very active with it, there were some clear mistakes on your enemies that let u roll them with bcs in some of them but good work man these are sweet I wonder how this style would do in the pros
Just a note about the Goody v. Naniwa game mentioned in this thread. The game was long over at the time the Fusion Core started to get constructed. Early game Nani is down 9 workers to 19 and midgame he is down 19 workers to 30 + an expansion. I'm not sure it's a valid example of BCs in TvP.
People underestimate feedback especially against banshees. I've had people go mass marine/banshee/raven against me, templar just one-shots the ravens and banshees a lot of the time and double forge upgraded chargelots and stalkers destroy marines. Good feedback micro would take out ghosts, banshees, and ravens. Feedback would take out a lot of BC health and blink stalkers would take care of the rest after their support is down. Critical mass of BCs would be annoying to deal with though, so the best solution for P would probably be something like a 2 base timing push with +2/2 and templar solely for feedback. I can live with spending 150 on gas to take out ravens and banshees and cripple BCs since my chargelot mineral dump is as good or better than your marine mineral dump especially since I only need to focus on ground upgrades. Curious to see how this would work out, and if templar production would be able to match 4 starport banshee production at least enough to whittle down the numbers of banshees to make them manageable.
On April 06 2011 06:36 Synystyr wrote: So any feedback? What do you guys think so far? The aim for these replays is to show that Battlecruisers are indeed a viable transition in the lategame and by far the strongest in my opinion. Thoughts?
I've been trying it out at platinum level. Seems to be a great answer to collosus deathballs, but i've run into problems with feedback/storm/stalker. 1-2 ghosts would be ideal of course, but I doubt I could rely on my micro to get a clutch EMP done. Yamato is really great vs. voids and collosus, and there's plenty of minerals to expo liberally and build SCVs for repair and bio to support.
Opening banshee instead of siege is also making me more confident/better map control/more multitasking/more harass etc, which is a great direction for me.
On April 06 2011 20:35 Synystyr wrote: This pretty much sums it up :D In the current metagame, Starport play crushes Robo first play because of how useless that tech tree is against Terran air If I figure out a way to incorporate Ghosts during mid/lategame, it'll negate the Templar threat and should just about make Terran air one of the toughest playstyles to stop :D
I'd figure you could try slipping in 2 Ghosts after the first round of BC production. This is basically just the cost of 1 BC, so you would end up with just 1 less BC after the second round. This also lets the Ghosts build up energy while the second round of BC's are finishing up. So where you would normally have 8 BC's, you would instead have 7 BC's and 2 Ghosts. By the time you move out, the Ghosts should have enough for 2 EMP's each which should be enough. Also, since BC's are so big, your Ghosts will be hidden underneath them so that the Templar can't Feedback them unless the Protoss uses some crazy camera manipulation. Basically the EMP's are virtually guaranteed to go off and the Toss is screwed.
Thanks for the feedback! I definitely hear you guys with the Ghosts. They seem like they will be the deciding factor of big battles in the late game. Just a couple EMPs will nullify the templar threat and make my BCs that much scarier
On April 07 2011 06:25 Carkis wrote: Nice work i think they have great potentcial its like toss going blink stalkers for mobile defence if you go air heavy and are very active with it, there were some clear mistakes on your enemies that let u roll them with bcs in some of them but good work man these are sweet I wonder how this style would do in the pros
The only pros I'm aware of that have done something similar to this are oGsSupernova (who uses more tanks), and TLO (MLG Game 2). I know that eventually it will find its niche in progamers' strategies. I can't wait
On April 07 2011 15:46 Heavenly wrote: Lot of theorycraft incoming.
People underestimate feedback especially against banshees. I've had people go mass marine/banshee/raven against me, templar just one-shots the ravens and banshees a lot of the time and double forge upgraded chargelots and stalkers destroy marines. Good feedback micro would take out ghosts, banshees, and ravens. Feedback would take out a lot of BC health and blink stalkers would take care of the rest after their support is down. Critical mass of BCs would be annoying to deal with though, so the best solution for P would probably be something like a 2 base timing push with +2/2 and templar solely for feedback. I can live with spending 150 on gas to take out ravens and banshees and cripple BCs since my chargelot mineral dump is as good or better than your marine mineral dump especially since I only need to focus on ground upgrades. Curious to see how this would work out, and if templar production would be able to match 4 starport banshee production at least enough to whittle down the numbers of banshees to make them manageable.
Quite a bit of theorycrafting there I have played a lot of games against High Templars and found that Feedback really isn't that scary against me. There are SO many banshees out when I push that there is no way you can Feedback all of them in time. I also place down the PDDs before engaging so that there is no chance of a snipe. With cloak draining the energy of my banshees as well, the damage done by any successful feedbacks is negligible. Templars are great with Storms against this unit composition however due to how Banshees stack when they attack and how clumped marines get as well. Check out the replays in my Anti-Colossus Build thread for replays against HTs
On April 07 2011 15:46 Heavenly wrote: Lot of theorycraft incoming.
People underestimate feedback especially against banshees. I've had people go mass marine/banshee/raven against me, templar just one-shots the ravens and banshees a lot of the time and double forge upgraded chargelots and stalkers destroy marines. Good feedback micro would take out ghosts, banshees, and ravens. Feedback would take out a lot of BC health and blink stalkers would take care of the rest after their support is down. Critical mass of BCs would be annoying to deal with though, so the best solution for P would probably be something like a 2 base timing push with +2/2 and templar solely for feedback. I can live with spending 150 on gas to take out ravens and banshees and cripple BCs since my chargelot mineral dump is as good or better than your marine mineral dump especially since I only need to focus on ground upgrades. Curious to see how this would work out, and if templar production would be able to match 4 starport banshee production at least enough to whittle down the numbers of banshees to make them manageable.
It's impossible to 1-shot Feedback Banshees if the Terran knows a simple trick. Any Terran player seeing mass Templar can spam Cloak/De-Cloak to keep the Banshees low on energy. This is because anytime you use Cloak it costs 25 energy. Therefore if say you have a Banshee with 200 energy, you can just hit cloak and decloak 6 times to reduce it's energy down to 50 almost instantly. Then when you go into battle, you can cloak again to reduce it down to 25. You will still have 25 seconds of Cloak this way, which is more than enough for any battle, and the most damage a Feedback will do is 25 damage which is not even worth the 50 energy that Feedback costs from the HT.
This trick basically makes HT Feedback completely useless in terms of dealing damage and more of a "I hope I can feedback them all to decloak them before he kills my Observers".
On April 08 2011 07:35 _Search_ wrote: Nice games, but this should really be a 4-port banshee pack since really the banshees won the games. The BCs were just for cleanup.
Only for a couple games. In more of those, the BCs played a huge role in securing my lead and pushing my advantage. This is extremely important. You have to make sure that when you're ahead, you don't let your lead slip and can end the game in a safe manner. BCs are the way to go for that. Guaranteed victory if you can get 3-4 out and deny expansions with your banshees while they are building.
On April 07 2011 15:00 [Atomic]Peace wrote: Just a note about the Goody v. Naniwa game mentioned in this thread. The game was long over at the time the Fusion Core started to get constructed. Early game Nani is down 9 workers to 19 and midgame he is down 19 workers to 30 + an expansion. I'm not sure it's a valid example of BCs in TvP.
+1 After that opening (Nexus-Cancel into Probe-Sacrifice) it shouldnt really matter, which units are used to finish the job.
On April 07 2011 15:00 [Atomic]Peace wrote: Just a note about the Goody v. Naniwa game mentioned in this thread. The game was long over at the time the Fusion Core started to get constructed. Early game Nani is down 9 workers to 19 and midgame he is down 19 workers to 30 + an expansion. I'm not sure it's a valid example of BCs in TvP.
+1 After that opening (Nexus-Cancel into Probe-Sacrifice) it shouldnt really matter, which units are used to finish the job.
I suppose so. It may not have been the best example, but it certainly wasn't a discredit to Battlecruisers either. It was a very safe route to take as there really was nothing Nani could have done to stop them.
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm curious if anyone has tried a bio bc combo? It's probably not the best against protoss as, when I try it at least, my bio usually gets wiped, but then i have bcs leftover killing usually leftover colossi.
I think it would make more sense to go all air, but I like opening with some 2rax bio aggression just to throw my opponent off. They never suspect bcs. The main reason I want this strat to work is because bcs are about the same speed as bio without stim now (only a little slower), and the idea of a bc supported bio army just seems badass to me. So far it's worked better against zerg and terran though.
On April 14 2011 14:14 Poetic wrote: I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm curious if anyone has tried a bio bc combo? It's probably not the best against protoss as, when I try it at least, my bio usually gets wiped, but then i have bcs leftover killing usually leftover colossi.
I think it would make more sense to go all air, but I like opening with some 2rax bio aggression just to throw my opponent off. They never suspect bcs. The main reason I want this strat to work is because bcs are about the same speed as bio without stim now (only a little slower), and the idea of a bc supported bio army just seems badass to me. So far it's worked better against zerg and terran though.
If you are in a late game situation where you can't produce Air units quickly enough to deal with mass Stalkers, you can transition into mass barracks and do a fast Marauder heavy transition with some sort of Air support because you have the Starports available (Medivacs probably). You'll have a huge surplus of minerals because you are gas starved spending on air. Marauder/Medivac should decimate Stalker/HT, which is something you are likely to see in response to your midgame army.
If you want to go straight Bio/BC, you can only really afford Marines because BCs will soaked up ALL your gas spending and leave you with very little leniency to spend elsewhere. I'd rather spend extra gas on upgrades for Air units, rather than a handful of marauders that will die to the initial wave of Chargelot/Colossi anyways. Better to tech switch to Bio lategame if you can.
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I have played a lot of games against High Templars and found that Feedback really isn't that scary against me. There are SO many banshees out when I push that there is no way you can Feedback all of them in time. I also place down the PDDs before engaging so that there is no chance of a snipe. With cloak draining the energy of my banshees as well, the damage done by any successful feedbacks is negligible. Templars are great with Storms against this unit composition however due to how Banshees stack when they attack and how clumped marines get as well. Check out the replays in my Anti-Colossus Build thread for replays against HTs 
