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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
April 04 2011 02:29 GMT
#21
I thought they were going to be "uploading VODs asap".

Well there's still nothing there. GSL and TSL have their VODs up a few hours after the matches.

Sigh, really, really disappointed with MLG.
odder
Profile Joined April 2010
United States405 Posts
April 04 2011 02:35 GMT
#22
I would just put casters on the stage and then have the players play from the PC area. Then you don't have to worry about player booths and the audience can listen to the commentators.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 02:37:08
April 04 2011 02:36 GMT
#23
On April 04 2011 11:29 Subversion wrote:
I thought they were going to be "uploading VODs asap".

Well there's still nothing there. GSL and TSL have their VODs up a few hours after the matches.

Sigh, really, really disappointed with MLG.


I wouldnt hold my breath. With wow it took atleast couple of months before vods where up.
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
April 04 2011 02:39 GMT
#24
You could have one high production stream featuring Day[9] and Wheat, and one low production stream featuring JP + friend. It would solve some issues. I don't know how viable this would be, but it would help because there's 200+ players.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
greyarea
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia31 Posts
April 04 2011 02:42 GMT
#25
The production side can only get better as they do more of it, the really concrete thing to come out of this weekend is that Wheat, JP and Day9 are fucking heroes. MLG seriously showed off how professional they are - I can't even imagine how difficult it would be for me to fill that much airtime.
vict1019
Profile Joined December 2010
United States401 Posts
April 04 2011 02:48 GMT
#26
Seriously, get new people to work on the SC2 side. So much money going into this and so little production value. It can GREATLY improve by having someone who knows the SC2 community.
Evil Geniuses - The Yankees of ESports(without the results)
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:00:35
April 04 2011 02:55 GMT
#27
On April 04 2011 11:48 vict1019 wrote:
Seriously, get new people to work on the SC2 side. So much money going into this and so little production value. It can GREATLY improve by having someone who knows the SC2 community.


MLG has their heads in the sands related to this and think they are somehow actually running it decently. It's very clear they are doing a horrible job though and the quality is really bad. Their focus with SC2 is completely lacking in every way, it's obvious to everyone they have 0 passion for it anywhere. From sundance saying he plays Marines to the general quality of production, they just do the barely mandatory to not crash and burn (but fail anyway)

every MLG so far has had 30 minutes to 1 hour waits between matches and horrible production. It's not "we are improving" thing, it's just that they are terrible.

hire anyone from teamliquid (the site admins) and you would see improvements by about 500%, hell anyone that actually spends any intelligent analysis on it for a second.

Instead they dump day9 / wheat with 30-60 minutes of time to fill while naniwa fixes his mouse
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:02:37
April 04 2011 03:01 GMT
#28
On April 04 2011 11:55 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 11:48 vict1019 wrote:
Seriously, get new people to work on the SC2 side. So much money going into this and so little production value. It can GREATLY improve by having someone who knows the SC2 community.


MLG has their heads in the sands related to this and think they are somehow actually running it decently

every MLG so far has had 30 minutes to 1 hour waits between matches and horrible production. It's not "we are improving" thing, it's just that they are terrible.

you know its kinda funny cause i use to play Halo 2 competitively, and I went to come MLG events, and made top 32 am bracket twice. The production and schedule for the Halo tournament was handled 10x better than what we saw this weekend.... Also, back then I remember the forums had a starcraft:bw section and ppl talked about how MLG should pick up PC gaming. So Puckett actually got on the forums and bashed PC gaming, and saying that MLG will always be a console ONLY league.. So from my experience with MLG in the past they have only cared about their main event which is Halo. I figure the reason they have expanded to PC, and other games is because of the possible money to be made. Until MLG gets somebody running the SC2 who understands the community I'm afraid they won't live up to expectations.

my 2 cents :D
ptell
Profile Joined October 2009
United States103 Posts
April 04 2011 03:01 GMT
#29
I agree with OP -- MLG should hire a proper TV producer. These so much content they can produce in between games like interviews, analysis, highlights, recap. The players that people want to see are all there at the venue, MLG is practically sitting on a goldmine but they don't even know it. I mean just look at the MLG content that is produced by Mr. Bitter, Edwardstarcraft etc...

The saddest part about this is they have been running these events for a while now and they still don't have the slightest clue. There is no excuse.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:08:20
April 04 2011 03:07 GMT
#30
I find the biggest problem aside from the whole internet fiasco was the way they planned what games were to be casted and when and the refuse to jump into mid games when a set ends quickly or there is down time. Even during these "breaks" they just put the camera on the middle of the crowd when they could just as easily turned the camera to a current game on the big screens since games were still being played.


TLDR - Decrease downtime, jump into running games if needed to fill a void


Also multiple streams with different sets of commentators and games going on at the same time would be great.
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
April 04 2011 03:08 GMT
#31
They really need to look at having a 2nd casting team backstage doing what the NASL will be doing for the online portion of their league.

If they picked one match each round of the tournament(for the 2nd casting team) they would have those VODs to broadcast during the downtime.
Diablo 3 Blog Me & My Mom http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=336890
Suxces
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany103 Posts
April 04 2011 03:12 GMT
#32
yeah the op is absolutely right, this was amateur like production... and im not talking about stream/lag issues...

it's quite a shame for mlg, to not be able to host a good tournament... no content, endless commentating, endless ads... idk extremly disappointing
znowstorm
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia281 Posts
April 04 2011 03:14 GMT
#33
0. Stream and game stability. We need LAN and better venues/infrastructure or another solution.

1. "We will be back momentarily" Should happen as little as humanly possible. It is hugely aggravating. Especially when this time stretches on for 30+ minutes. People are watching from all over the world and if you are trying to stay up late at night you have no chance staying awake.

2. More games less downtime/filler. Casters did an awesome job filling time but they shouldn't have to.

3. Greater emphasis on players. Specifically interviews/reactions. Obviously if english is not their native tongue it can be difficult but they can definitely do better.

4. Winners ceremony. See any other event for inspiration. MLG's was god awful.

I've paid for every GSL season and GSTL because they deliver. MLG has a long way to go before they get my money. I realize the tournament setup is completely different but some core areas such as those above are no brainers. MLG has been at this for along time so they have no excuse.
Bigboss_26
Profile Joined August 2010
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:18:08
April 04 2011 03:16 GMT
#34
On April 04 2011 11:39 Brad wrote:
You could have one high production stream featuring Day[9] and Wheat, and one low production stream featuring JP + friend. It would solve some issues. I don't know how viable this would be, but it would help because there's 200+ players.

Yep yep yep!
IMO they should be running about 4 casting teams at all times just to handle the sheer volume of games constantly (theoretically) going on at the event. They don't have to retain the same level of production value of the "Main" (read: DJWheat+Day[9]) stream, but whenever DJ[9] runs out of games to cast or interviews to do, producers can just fade out into another game being cast by others. Hell, they could be audio-only commentary for all I care. Whether each team would get a dedicated stream or they would all just feed into one main SC2 stream is a more logistical concern, and I can't answer whether it would be feasible.

1. This gives us a break from JP, D9 and DJW. Hey, I love the guys as much as anyone else (and if you don't, you deserve a severe whomping), but hearing a different set of voices cast even just one game here and there would be a nice break. I'm a religious D9Daily viewer, and I can only take so much Sean in one day before I start predicting his jokes, etc. I will say, his mini-daily with replay analysis of the 3gate robo PvT game (can't remember who it was... vs. SeleCT maybe?) was a nice break, so more of that would be great.

2. This allows newer, less acclaimed casters to participate in a major eSporting event. We have to have this continuous injection of fresh talent into the SC2 spotlight, or else we'll be screwed when JP and Wheat both catch mono the day before Columbus (hopefully not a Nostradamus prediction there).

3. We get to see more games! I heard it on stream today (D3) when Day9 received notice through his earpiece (or otherwise) that the SC2 stream was being featured on the main MLG "summary' stream (whatever it's called - clearly I didn't leave the SC2 channel all day), and thus we suddenly were being aired to Halo and CoD viewers. Similarly, he could be notified when a major event is happening in a non-featured game and segway into that other commentating team's stream, even if just to see a proxy-pylon in-base 4gate happen or something. If it's a major or controversial event, everyone is going to want to see it over seeing Wheat and JP twiddle their thumbs while Naniwa stalls by setting up his mouse (hah).

My question for those of you who were lucky enough to attend the event live (Columbus is only an hour away from me, yet I booked a vacation the week before I heard about it T.T ) is: how was the live production value for people who actually attended? What was on the main screen for the hours whilst my secondary monitor showed a CrowdCam, promising "The stream will resume momentarily," and such?
Beneather
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada451 Posts
April 04 2011 03:21 GMT
#35
Even if a series is midway through they should just cut right in to that game. Even if they aren't observer it would be much better than just waiting for the next match to be streamed. I wish that they could just do that. It'd be much more work for the casters but isn't it that why they're there for is to cast and to non stop cast the shit as much starcraft 2 games they can until they cannot even speak. It's really dissapointing how the lack of games were casted. It really didn't get me in to the spirit of watching some MLG.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Day[9} <3
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
April 04 2011 03:25 GMT
#36
On April 04 2011 11:19 Brad wrote:
The spectators also couldn't hear the casters. That's pretty bad on it's own.

That was a band-aid to fix the day1 issue where the players could hear the casters tell them what their opponent was doing, so they muted the casters in the area.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
April 04 2011 03:28 GMT
#37
I completely agree with everything the OP said

this scene deserves better, just sloppy production

but good choice on the casters, day9 and djwheat
you live and you learn
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
April 04 2011 03:30 GMT
#38
I also have some suggestions.
1: Bring in Husky and HD (or any other commentators for that matter) and have them broadcast the games that are not being broadcast by the main casting duo (day9+wheat). Have these games go on either a secondary stream or the pro circuit stream.
2: Have JP do all of the on-the-floor stuff, more interviews, talking to the crowd, etc. AKA less time with day and wheat babbling and perhaps JP could get the crowd involved.
3: Booths are necessary. Simple as that.
4: Occasional bracket recaps (with a bracket graphic). This could be done in between games, and would help people realize who is still in and out.
5: 2 sets of booths on the stage so that games can alternate. While the gamers play in one set, whoever is up next can set up in the second set, and it will flow much more smoothly.
6: MAKE SURE THAT YOUR STREAM IS EQUIPPED TO HANDLE GODZILLA BREAKING APART THE FUCKING STADIUM.
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
April 04 2011 03:31 GMT
#39
On April 04 2011 11:04 Novalisk wrote:
1. Get booths and put em on the stage. If Dreamhack can do it, so can you.

2. Provide players with ear plugs(I only saw headsets).

3. Put the casters up on the stage.

4. Keep harassing Blizzard for LAN or a save feature.

5. Fix the quality of the stream. I hope that 240p wasn't intentional.


240p was intentional, you have to pay for the high quality stream
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
April 04 2011 03:31 GMT
#40
One thing I really missed from this event that previous mlg events had were the little side group productions, where they would just go around interviewing players or just walking around the arena chatting was good for killing down time and just made the events seem so much bigger and exciting to be at.
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