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NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 15:50:06
March 24 2011 15:48 GMT
#21
Hard to say, we know that Artosis was rather good back in beta but since he started commentating for GOM a lot he probably didn't play as much but I would still go with him. Day9 is interesting, no one really knows how good he actually is.

Edit:
On March 25 2011 00:47 Dubpace wrote:
Gretorp and Sheth...

<3


Well if include them as "commentators" they are obviously very good, however, most would say they are mainly progamers just like incontrol.
zappa372
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Chile365 Posts
March 24 2011 15:49 GMT
#22
NukeTheStars all the way
EE HAN TIMING!
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
March 24 2011 15:49 GMT
#23
On March 25 2011 00:47 Dubpace wrote:
Gretorp and Sheth...

<3


Since when is Sheth a commentator? Honestly asking, I haven't seen a single cast with him.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
March 24 2011 15:50 GMT
#24
On March 25 2011 00:47 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Define 'commentator'? a lot of pros have commentated on the side, TLO, IdrA, PainUser...

And skill is not monodimensional, for instance, Day9 is not the best in a straight up match but his understanding of the game is very good, same for PsY, he really understands a lot of this game, more than most full time pros who just play by feeling it seems. Artosis and Tasteless on the other hand, though probably both better players than PsY have downright terrible understanding of the game ("No way he can save this nexus" -> saves nexus, "This is gg in any minute now." -> games goes on for 30 more minutes, "vikings are terrible on the ground" -> vikings land and obliterate everything) I always found it humorous when people diss Kelly for her lack of understanding, but Tastosis make so many bad calls each match.

The guy I'd personally recomment for learning from is PsY though, just slightly better than Day[9] who often tries to sugar-coat and fills his hour up with trivial nonsense from time to time.

They obviously try to make it exciting for the casual viewer lol
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
March 24 2011 15:50 GMT
#25
On March 25 2011 00:49 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 00:47 Dubpace wrote:
Gretorp and Sheth...

<3


Since when is Sheth a commentator? Honestly asking, I haven't seen a single cast with him.


He casted quite a few matches in the gosucoaching premier league.
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
March 24 2011 15:50 GMT
#26
i'm sure if someone knew day[9] smurf name they could find his replays and see his skill level. i know his main is in plat though he does not use it due to wanting to be left alone to try new things without being subject to having his every move followed.

otherwise i think its artosis. i think he has the right amount of everything. though i am seeing a lot of higher level players like adebisi cast, and they do decently
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
March 24 2011 15:51 GMT
#27
Artosis obviously. I think Incontrol put it nice 'when he is not commentating, he is actually playing the game'.
Kvothe
Profile Joined September 2010
201 Posts
March 24 2011 15:51 GMT
#28
On March 25 2011 00:47 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Define 'commentator'? a lot of pros have commentated on the side, TLO, IdrA, PainUser...

And skill is not monodimensional, for instance, Day9 is not the best in a straight up match but his understanding of the game is very good, same for PsY, he really understands a lot of this game, more than most full time pros who just play by feeling it seems. Artosis and Tasteless on the other hand, though probably both better players than PsY have downright terrible understanding of the game ("No way he can save this nexus" -> saves nexus, "This is gg in any minute now." -> games goes on for 30 more minutes, "vikings are terrible on the ground" -> vikings land and obliterate everything) I always found it humorous when people diss Kelly for her lack of understanding, but Tastosis make so many bad calls each match.

The guy I'd personally recomment for learning from is PsY though, just slightly better than Day[9] who often tries to sugar-coat and fills his hour up with trivial nonsense from time to time.


Artosis is often regarded as the best commentator in terms of understanding the game....not sure where you came up with that. You might be thinking sololy tasteless, who often makes the wrong call.
Butterz
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
688 Posts
March 24 2011 15:51 GMT
#29
Artosis . Period.
CidO
Profile Joined June 2010
United States695 Posts
March 24 2011 15:52 GMT
#30
incontrol
day9 (he has smurf accounts no one knows the id's of for obvious reasons)
artosis
:P
RaFeStaR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States161 Posts
March 24 2011 15:52 GMT
#31
On March 25 2011 00:47 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Define 'commentator'? a lot of pros have commentated on the side, TLO, IdrA, PainUser...

And skill is not monodimensional, for instance, Day9 is not the best in a straight up match but his understanding of the game is very good, same for PsY, he really understands a lot of this game, more than most full time pros who just play by feeling it seems. Artosis and Tasteless on the other hand, though probably both better players than PsY have downright terrible understanding of the game ("No way he can save this nexus" -> saves nexus, "This is gg in any minute now." -> games goes on for 30 more minutes, "vikings are terrible on the ground" -> vikings land and obliterate everything) I always found it humorous when people diss Kelly for her lack of understanding, but Tastosis make so many bad calls each match.

The guy I'd personally recomment for learning from is PsY though, just slightly better than Day[9] who often tries to sugar-coat and fills his hour up with trivial nonsense from time to time.




What? Artosis has a terrible understanding of the game? Mind blown.



As for the OP's question: Artosis. He qualified for GSL, a lot of "pro's" who play the game more than him can't/couldn't even accomplish that. (I know I know, bracket difficulty blah blah blah).
OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
March 24 2011 15:53 GMT
#32
On March 25 2011 00:47 ppshchik wrote:
Quite surprised of people saying Artosis oversince Artosis said Day9 is his biggest rival. You guys seem to imply that Artosis can wipe the floor with Day9 in a Bo5

Edit: NVM I didn't know Day9 attends school. So Artosis def. has more practice hours than him...


As far as I know, that rivalry goes back to BW and has nothing to do with SC2.
<3
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 15:55:50
March 24 2011 15:53 GMT
#33
On March 25 2011 00:47 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Define 'commentator'? a lot of pros have commentated on the side, TLO, IdrA, PainUser...

And skill is not monodimensional, for instance, Day9 is not the best in a straight up match but his understanding of the game is very good, same for PsY, he really understands a lot of this game, more than most full time pros who just play by feeling it seems. Artosis and Tasteless on the other hand, though probably both better players than PsY have downright terrible understanding of the game ("No way he can save this nexus" -> saves nexus, "This is gg in any minute now." -> games goes on for 30 more minutes, "vikings are terrible on the ground" -> vikings land and obliterate everything) I always found it humorous when people diss Kelly for her lack of understanding, but Tastosis make so many bad calls each match.

The guy I'd personally recomment for learning from is PsY though, just slightly better than Day[9] who often tries to sugar-coat and fills his hour up with trivial nonsense from time to time.


You expect them to make every call right?

Artosis gets things right 99% of the time, how many times has a game been 2 minutes in and he says "I bet x goes for this and his opponent does this" and then is proven exactly right 30 secs later.

When they talk about a nexus being dead and it gets saved, 80% of the time it doesn't get saved, the other 20% the player either isn't paying attention to his army and it starts attacking the opponents rallying units instead or he actively decides to kill the new army before it kills his, instead of finishes the nexus. Or more often the nexus survives with 30 hp....

Vikings are terrible on the ground, but if you have 16 of them and the opponent has 6 stalkers ofc they win....... if you land 6 vikings against 6 equal HP ground units... they lose.... just because they win a fight every now and then doesn't mean they are good on the ground.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Darksteel
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland319 Posts
March 24 2011 15:54 GMT
#34
TLO (iem commentary was epic)
Artosis

InControl and prolly all progamers that commentate and play competatively at the same time are around the same level skill wise.

Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
March 24 2011 15:54 GMT
#35
On March 25 2011 00:47 Dubpace wrote:
Gretorp and Sheth...

<3

Clearly the best answer...

But, I haven't seen artosis play in a long time
Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
March 24 2011 15:54 GMT
#36
PsY is pretty good, not a star player but better than Destiny at least. (That, or he only gives us his most stellar matches, which wouldn't surprise me.)

But like I said, his understanding and insights are really good, he's a great tactician even though is micro and mechanics aren't stellar, and tactics and and strategy are mainly taught, while mechanics are trained by practice and practice. You can't explain to someone how to have good mechanics, it comes with time (or not).
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bobq
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States136 Posts
March 24 2011 15:54 GMT
#37
You know, I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been some grand crusade to discover what accounts Day9 plays on. It almost makes me think the internet is respecting his privacy in not wanting to share that info, which would be pretty awesome.

Also, it'd be pretty awesome if we started building stat sheets for casters: "Day9's got a solid 10 for Analytics, but his 6 Playing Skills can't compete with inControl's 9". We could use game knowledge, analysis, humor, playing skill...
CluEleSs_UK
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom583 Posts
March 24 2011 15:56 GMT
#38
I totally think people are underrating Tasteless here. He may not have the same deep knowledge of the game that artosis has, but with his EG coaching and general metagame knowledge, he's definitely a baller.

If nothing else, the tasteless build always works.
"If it turns out he is leaving the ESL to focus on cooking crystal meth I'll agree that it is somewhat disgraceful, but I'll hold off judgement until then."
xsevR
Profile Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
March 24 2011 15:56 GMT
#39
Artosis/Tasteless... how long have they been in Korea? Playing/talking with top pros, commentating on the highest level of matches, playing on the toughest ladder, etc.
kasumimi
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Greece460 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 16:00:12
March 24 2011 15:57 GMT
#40
Artosis and Day[9] for sure, hence the quality commentating. You can't just understand the game without playing it up to a certain level.

Also compare Tasteless's commenting back in the BW days when he was 100% active player. He is still good but the sharpness and the deep comments of a trained player's eye are long gone.

*Edit: I'm not saying that you ONLY need to play the game to be a good commentator, there are other parameters involved in this.
Like being able to speak English properly and having a good sense of humor and being able to say what you are thinking in a way that is understood by everyone.
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