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Profile Joined June 2009
Romania725 Posts
March 24 2011 16:29 GMT
#81
DEMUSLIM
"You can ... draw sounds ?"
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 16:33:23
March 24 2011 16:30 GMT
#82
On March 25 2011 00:51 Kvothe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 00:47 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Define 'commentator'? a lot of pros have commentated on the side, TLO, IdrA, PainUser...

And skill is not monodimensional, for instance, Day9 is not the best in a straight up match but his understanding of the game is very good, same for PsY, he really understands a lot of this game, more than most full time pros who just play by feeling it seems. Artosis and Tasteless on the other hand, though probably both better players than PsY have downright terrible understanding of the game ("No way he can save this nexus" -> saves nexus, "This is gg in any minute now." -> games goes on for 30 more minutes, "vikings are terrible on the ground" -> vikings land and obliterate everything) I always found it humorous when people diss Kelly for her lack of understanding, but Tastosis make so many bad calls each match.

The guy I'd personally recomment for learning from is PsY though, just slightly better than Day[9] who often tries to sugar-coat and fills his hour up with trivial nonsense from time to time.


Artosis is often regarded as the best commentator in terms of understanding the game....not sure where you came up with that. You might be thinking sololy tasteless, who often makes the wrong call.


You only need to watch all GSLs to come up with that. Artosis does it all the time - he consistently underestimates what players are able to hold off and do, though he is much better now compared to season one. I think it was season 2 where he was saying "14 hatch doesn't work anymore" and then the zerg proceeds to hold 14 hatch perfectly fine every game rofl. He's really good but he also just bases too much on his own skill and experience and acts like he knows all.
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HavoK.
Profile Joined March 2010
United States172 Posts
March 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#83
On March 25 2011 00:42 faulty wrote:
I'd say Artosis, but just because I've seen him play recently (relatively speaking)

EDIT: I have a feeling that once Day9 graduates he'll be showing his true colors :D


agreed it would seem to be artosis at the moment but if day starts playing competitively again that would just be awesome.
Drock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
March 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#84
Man Day9 could be so baller, I think once he graduates he could be insanely good. That is if he decides to put in the time to getting his mechanics up.
I kinda miss Idra...
s031720
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 16:34:03
March 24 2011 16:33 GMT
#85
I would also say Artosis and Incontrol. But I think Artosis is the better commentator of the two however, commentating is not only about knowledge of the game, but to package it in an entertaining and educational way. .
Just another noob
Spikeworld
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany61 Posts
March 24 2011 16:33 GMT
#86
Artosis! No doubt about it...
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
March 24 2011 16:33 GMT
#87
For people who are full-time commentators, Artosis. Although I'm really curious to see how good Tasteless actually is. I mean when Day9 was up there (as a player) so was Tasteless. Also, Tasteless seems to actually be playing the game, whereas Day9 really isnt, and Tasteless is playing on Korea.
Greek820
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada210 Posts
March 24 2011 16:33 GMT
#88
Straight up gameplay...probably going to have to say Artosis and incontrol? i would love to say day9 but i havnt really seen him lol, but i'm sure he would be quite impressive if he had the time to practice
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
March 24 2011 16:35 GMT
#89
On March 25 2011 01:30 Treemonkeys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 00:51 Kvothe wrote:
On March 25 2011 00:47 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Define 'commentator'? a lot of pros have commentated on the side, TLO, IdrA, PainUser...

And skill is not monodimensional, for instance, Day9 is not the best in a straight up match but his understanding of the game is very good, same for PsY, he really understands a lot of this game, more than most full time pros who just play by feeling it seems. Artosis and Tasteless on the other hand, though probably both better players than PsY have downright terrible understanding of the game ("No way he can save this nexus" -> saves nexus, "This is gg in any minute now." -> games goes on for 30 more minutes, "vikings are terrible on the ground" -> vikings land and obliterate everything) I always found it humorous when people diss Kelly for her lack of understanding, but Tastosis make so many bad calls each match.

The guy I'd personally recomment for learning from is PsY though, just slightly better than Day[9] who often tries to sugar-coat and fills his hour up with trivial nonsense from time to time.


Artosis is often regarded as the best commentator in terms of understanding the game....not sure where you came up with that. You might be thinking sololy tasteless, who often makes the wrong call.


You only need to watch all GSLs to come up with that. Artosis does it all the time - he consistently underestimates what players are able to hold off and do, though he is much better now compared to season one.
Pretty much, he makes bad call after bad call. Now this wouldn't be so bad if he said 'MC is gonna have a hard time with this!', but he says 'There is 0% chance MC can hold this, now, some of you noobs may think 'what if he does ...', but no, trust me, there is 0% chance.', and then he holds it with minimal losses. =/ Never gotten why Kelly gets all the burn when Nick and Dan really make bad calls with supreme confidence all day.

And also, like I said, he tends to have 'hipster reasoning', he seems to fall for 'this is original / not done before, thus it is good.' a lot, the only reason he thinks 2base colossus is bad is because it's trite, and then he tries to come up with justifications like costs and transitions which are really ill-argued to justify his hipsterosity.

Note that I also don't 2base colossus or colossus that much at all really for the exact same reason, it's trite, I like to be different, but I'm not going to pretend that this build used by high class players like Tester who play with huge amounts of money on the line is actually 'bad', and I'd probably use it more if there were money on the line for me too.
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Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
March 24 2011 16:36 GMT
#90
On March 25 2011 01:16 Sein wrote:
I'm not sure why so many people are mentioning Day9 when they probably haven't seen a single game of him playing SC2 for almost a year. His understanding of the game is undeniably good and he'd probably make an excellent coach for just about anyone, but that doesn't mean that his level of play is at the very top level.

Well we at least know that he's in masters, and we know that he is still buddies / practice partners with some great players. Is he at the "very top level"? Perhaps with practice he could be.

From my understanding, Day[9] doesn't want to reveal any information about his playing because he feels it would change how people judge him as a caster. The rumours that he might start playing again when he's finished at university are intriguing though, as that means if/when we DO see Day9 playing again he's going to be hotsauce :D

I'd LOVE to see a shoutcaster tournament (though who would cast it....?) - I'd pay good money to see Husky get hulksmashed
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
deejY
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany44 Posts
March 24 2011 16:37 GMT
#91
i didn't read every single comment, but why is noone calling RotterdaM ? He is really strong (for sure better than psy etc) and caster for ESL.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 16:38:46
March 24 2011 16:38 GMT
#92
By far and i mean by lightyears, Artosis. It is a good question how good day9 could be, probably very good, but with college and flying around the world and doin his show no way he could even come close to competitve gaming as a player right now. Although who knows, he plays on smurf accounts, but im pretty damn sure Artosis is # 1 among regular commentators. Ofc, recently you have many pros commentating a bit here and there, but i dont count them
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Zedex
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom310 Posts
March 24 2011 16:38 GMT
#93
You can guess all you like, but the most fun and effective way to find out is host a tournament. Although if I had to guess I'd say Artosis.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
PeaNuT_T
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden326 Posts
March 24 2011 16:39 GMT
#94
If we are looking mainly commentators I would have to say Artosis, Tasteless, Rotterdam, Day9.
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
March 24 2011 16:39 GMT
#95
On March 25 2011 01:36 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 01:16 Sein wrote:
I'm not sure why so many people are mentioning Day9 when they probably haven't seen a single game of him playing SC2 for almost a year. His understanding of the game is undeniably good and he'd probably make an excellent coach for just about anyone, but that doesn't mean that his level of play is at the very top level.

I'd LOVE to see a shoutcaster tournament (though who would cast it....?) - I'd pay good money to see Husky get hulksmashed
Husky's understanding of the game is pathetic. He's really a person I think I can hang out with though, the way he likes trolls, how he never gets angry, the way he responded in the thread about TSL2 abusers, I like people who don't have a large sense of 'justice' and are hard to get angry and just brush it off.

But really, his balance insinuations which are often due to his own terrible misunderstanding of the game tend to be some-what annoying. ('phoenices don't counter vikings, you need void rays, as they do bonus damage to armoured', WOT?)
Workers and town centres are the ultimate counter to turtles.
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
March 24 2011 16:40 GMT
#96
Probably Artosis and/or Day9
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Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
March 24 2011 16:40 GMT
#97
On March 25 2011 01:35 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 01:30 Treemonkeys wrote:
On March 25 2011 00:51 Kvothe wrote:
On March 25 2011 00:47 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Define 'commentator'? a lot of pros have commentated on the side, TLO, IdrA, PainUser...

And skill is not monodimensional, for instance, Day9 is not the best in a straight up match but his understanding of the game is very good, same for PsY, he really understands a lot of this game, more than most full time pros who just play by feeling it seems. Artosis and Tasteless on the other hand, though probably both better players than PsY have downright terrible understanding of the game ("No way he can save this nexus" -> saves nexus, "This is gg in any minute now." -> games goes on for 30 more minutes, "vikings are terrible on the ground" -> vikings land and obliterate everything) I always found it humorous when people diss Kelly for her lack of understanding, but Tastosis make so many bad calls each match.

The guy I'd personally recomment for learning from is PsY though, just slightly better than Day[9] who often tries to sugar-coat and fills his hour up with trivial nonsense from time to time.


Artosis is often regarded as the best commentator in terms of understanding the game....not sure where you came up with that. You might be thinking sololy tasteless, who often makes the wrong call.


You only need to watch all GSLs to come up with that. Artosis does it all the time - he consistently underestimates what players are able to hold off and do, though he is much better now compared to season one.
Pretty much, he makes bad call after bad call. Now this wouldn't be so bad if he said 'MC is gonna have a hard time with this!', but he says 'There is 0% chance MC can hold this, now, some of you noobs may think 'what if he does ...', but no, trust me, there is 0% chance.', and then he holds it with minimal losses. =/ Never gotten why Kelly gets all the burn when Nick and Dan really make bad calls with supreme confidence all day.

And also, like I said, he tends to have 'hipster reasoning', he seems to fall for 'this is original / not done before, thus it is good.' a lot, the only reason he thinks 2base colossus is bad is because it's trite, and then he tries to come up with justifications like costs and transitions which are really ill-argued to justify his hipsterosity.

Note that I also don't 2base colossus or colossus that much at all really for the exact same reason, it's trite, I like to be different, but I'm not going to pretend that this build used by high class players like Tester who play with huge amounts of money on the line is actually 'bad', and I'd probably use it more if there were money on the line for me too.


Yeah exactly. He also comes across as a person who just enjoys acting and being perceived smart which bites him in the ass when he acts way too sure and then is proven wrong. Personally I think it makes the cast more entertaining, so it's all good and maybe intentional, but he does in fact make bad calls all the time.
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
March 24 2011 16:41 GMT
#98
As a 'pure' commentator, meaning that the person has no history as a pro player, but instead is a dedicated commentator that has improved his game while commentating, I will defenitely say HDstarcraft..

Ofc both Tasteless, Artosis, Day9, InControL are on another level, but they're all former pro's that switched or partially switched to commentating
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rakura
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States183 Posts
March 24 2011 16:41 GMT
#99
In terms of playing skill I'd have to say Artosis or Day9. After that its hard to call.
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5533 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 16:43:03
March 24 2011 16:42 GMT
#100
Artosis, Gretorp, and Sheth. Those are the most skilled commentators and the best commentators in my opinion.

Edit: and day[9] and any other top players that do commentary some times.
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