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On March 23 2011 10:52 manicshock wrote: It definitely comes down to trained until you're at the best of the best. Agreed. Natural Talent doesn't show until the highest level, or in some cases, how fast they pick something up. But before then training & effort must be applied for your advantage to actually mean anything.
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I think natural skill has something to do being good early on in your sc career. But past the early part, it's all mindset and hard work. I don't think anyone is naturally good at starcraft all together. i think some people understanding of video games help them more than others early on, but isn't something that someone else can't pick up on. The beauty of pro video games is that anyone, and everyone given the right mental mindset and attitude and hard work can be great. Physical sports are more determined by genetical factos and natural ability in my opinion. As a person who is 4 foot 11 inches tall would have a hard time trying to be in the nba.
But in the end, ALL things are possible through hardwork, even being 4 foot and in the nba
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I don't think it is all just hard work. I'm in masters league, however I have friends that have played hundreds of games more than I have and they are still in platinum. You need something more than just work and dedication to become good at this game
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Natural skill plays a huge role because if it didn't I wouldn't do any good given how little I play and how "good" I do on the ladder.
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On October 08 2011 00:01 scarper65 wrote: I don't think it is all just hard work. I'm in masters league, however I have friends that have played hundreds of games more than I have and they are still in platinum. You need something more than just work and dedication to become good at this game
Well, it also comes down to HOW your train. If you just grind games never fixing your mistakes (or don't even know about them) you will climb to another skill level.
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hardwork>talent lets move on please
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Nice bump, didn't even notice this thread.
I believe it all comes to training, and training EFFECTIVELY. This is just like studying, if you study for hours on end, you won't learn much, however if you constructively study like taking small breaks then it is great.
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oh oh the grave diggers strike again. Its only training, there is no natural skill involved, But the training started with your birth. What a way to revive a thread not asking a question but answering a skeleton, by the looks on those dates.
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''talent'' is in my opinion just a myth thats caused by some people learning faster than others, which has to do with intelligence if u work harder and use your time more effectively you'll eventually surpass anyone
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hardwork plays the biggest role but other things, (mindset , how fast do you learn, creativity etc) still play a role in it, if it wasnt for that you could put two people into identical practice regimes and you would obtain identically skilled players, wich wont happen
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On October 08 2011 00:13 darlhet wrote: hardwork plays the biggest role but other things, (mindset , how fast do you learn, creativity etc) still play a role in it, if it wasnt for that you could put two people into identical practice regimes and you would obtain identically skilled players, wich wont happen I agree. Like I said above natural skill gets you so far. And 2 players playing the same amount of ggames a day will create 2 different level skilled players. But if the natural talent isn't there, I honestly think it can be, if you want it enough, to put the work that is needed in to get there. So regardless, hardwork is whats important. Some people just naturally pick things up faster.
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come on its a combination of both
two equally important parts
tallent+Hard work= a chance to become the best
just one or the other wont make you a pro
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practice beats talent. you can have an affinity for games (quick thinking, speedy fingers etc) but in the end, people who work hard end up at the top
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Both of course, to argue that there is no natural ability which will affect you is ridiculous, but so is to say that natural ability is all you need.
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It is impossible to know for sure but I would say:
Skill=(Talent+(Training*3))/4
Skill=(Micro+(Macro*4)+(Decision Making*3))/8
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Is intelligence trained or natural. I am leaning towards the former.
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On October 08 2011 00:12 OutlaW- wrote: ''talent'' is in my opinion just a myth thats caused by some people learning faster than others, which has to do with intelligence if u work harder and use your time more effectively you'll eventually surpass anyone Pretty much this. The form of talent that exists is in form of intelligence and physical attributes that help (like being tall and playing basket ball).
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SC2 is one of the most strategy dependent games out there, at least at the higher levels, and I think because of that the most important factor is training. You might have naturally good hand/eye coordination but that's not going to matter if you didn't spend the time practicing and learning the game and it's mechanics. If you've never read up on strategies, learned the fundamentals of micro and macro, and put a lot of understanding into how the game actual works, I don't think how good you are with a mouse is going to matter.
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On March 21 2011 22:18 JeLLe04 wrote: What do you guys think? If you're high Diamond or Masters, do you think you've worked enough to deserve it, or do you think you were just "born that way"? I am high diamond, and I have not played THAT much sc2. granted, my skill is still completely terrible compared to professionals, but i think that there is definitely an innate ability to play video games. if you took me and put me in front of a completely new video game and I had to play my dad...i would win hands down (unless maybe the game was a surgery game or something as he is a doctor).
when it comes to sc2, i believe my brother plays more of it than me, i think that I just have more natural talent than him and can still beat him on a regular basis
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Dedication and hard working only up to certain level.
I've been at the Master league since the first day it came out, and I don't feel like I'll be able to get in the GM league at any given rate.
I agree that what is referred as talents are generally in form of either intelligence or physical attributes, but then again I think that those are much more natural than trained.
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