Agreed. Natural Talent doesn't show until the highest level, or in some cases, how fast they pick something up. But before then training & effort must be applied for your advantage to actually mean anything.

TeH_CaRnAg3

United States239 Posts

October 07 2011 14:52 GMT

#322

I think natural skill has something to do being good early on in your sc career. But past the early part, it's all mindset and hard work. I don't think anyone is naturally good at starcraft all together. i think some people understanding of video games help them more than others early on, but isn't something that someone else can't pick up on. The beauty of pro video games is that anyone, and everyone given the right mental mindset and attitude and hard work can be great. Physical sports are more determined by genetical factos and natural ability in my opinion. As a person who is 4 foot 11 inches tall would have a hard time trying to be in the nba.

But in the end, ALL things are possible through hardwork, even being 4 foot and in the nba

scarper65

1560 Posts

October 07 2011 15:01 GMT

#323

I don't think it is all just hard work. I'm in masters league, however I have friends that have played hundreds of games more than I have and they are still in platinum. You need something more than just work and dedication to become good at this game

Djzapz

Canada10681 Posts

October 07 2011 15:04 GMT

#324

Natural skill plays a huge role because if it didn't I wouldn't do any good given how little I play and how "good" I do on the ladder.

BleaK_

Norway593 Posts

October 07 2011 15:05 GMT

#325

On October 08 2011 00:01 scarper65 wrote:
I don't think it is all just hard work. I'm in masters league, however I have friends that have played hundreds of games more than I have and they are still in platinum. You need something more than just work and dedication to become good at this game

Well, it also comes down to HOW your train. If you just grind games never fixing your mistakes (or don't even know about them) you will climb to another skill level.

ChampionZerg

United States19 Posts

October 07 2011 15:07 GMT

#326

hardwork>talent
lets move on please

RogerX

New Zealand3180 Posts

October 07 2011 15:10 GMT

#327

Nice bump, didn't even notice this thread.

I believe it all comes to training, and training EFFECTIVELY. This is just like studying, if you study for hours on end, you won't learn much, however if you constructively study like taking small breaks then it is great.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

October 07 2011 15:10 GMT

#328

oh oh the grave diggers strike again.
Its only training, there is no natural skill involved, But the training started with your birth.
What a way to revive a thread not asking a question but answering a skeleton, by the looks on those dates.

OutlaW-

Czech Republic5053 Posts

October 07 2011 15:12 GMT

#329

''talent'' is in my opinion just a myth thats caused by some people learning faster than others, which has to do with intelligence
if u work harder and use your time more effectively you'll eventually surpass anyone

darlhet

Italy548 Posts

October 07 2011 15:13 GMT

#330

hardwork plays the biggest role but other things, (mindset , how fast do you learn, creativity etc) still play a role in it, if it wasnt for that you could put two people into identical practice regimes and you would obtain identically skilled players, wich wont happen

TeH_CaRnAg3

United States239 Posts

October 07 2011 15:17 GMT

#331

On October 08 2011 00:13 darlhet wrote:
hardwork plays the biggest role but other things, (mindset , how fast do you learn, creativity etc) still play a role in it, if it wasnt for that you could put two people into identical practice regimes and you would obtain identically skilled players, wich wont happen

I agree. Like I said above natural skill gets you so far. And 2 players playing the same amount of ggames a day will create 2 different level skilled players. But if the natural talent isn't there, I honestly think it can be, if you want it enough, to put the work that is needed in to get there. So regardless, hardwork is whats important. Some people just naturally pick things up faster.

KDot2

United States1213 Posts

October 07 2011 15:19 GMT

#332

come on its a combination of both

two equally important parts

tallent+Hard work= a chance to become the best

just one or the other wont make you a pro

Phlatline

Croatia176 Posts

October 07 2011 15:19 GMT

#333

practice beats talent. you can have an affinity for games (quick thinking, speedy fingers etc) but in the end, people who work hard end up at the top

Ziktomini

United Kingdom377 Posts

October 07 2011 15:25 GMT

#334

Both of course, to argue that there is no natural ability which will affect you is ridiculous, but so is to say that natural ability is all you need.

MockHamill

Sweden1798 Posts

October 07 2011 15:27 GMT

#335

It is impossible to know for sure but I would say:

Skill=(Talent+(Training*3))/4

Skill=(Micro+(Macro*4)+(Decision Making*3))/8

Eppa!

Sweden4641 Posts

October 07 2011 15:30 GMT

#336

Is intelligence trained or natural. I am leaning towards the former.

Valikyr

Sweden2653 Posts

October 07 2011 15:30 GMT

#337

On October 08 2011 00:12 OutlaW- wrote:
''talent'' is in my opinion just a myth thats caused by some people learning faster than others, which has to do with intelligence
if u work harder and use your time more effectively you'll eventually surpass anyone

Pretty much this. The form of talent that exists is in form of intelligence and physical attributes that help (like being tall and playing basket ball).

DarkJester

Canada17 Posts

October 07 2011 15:35 GMT

#338

SC2 is one of the most strategy dependent games out there, at least at the higher levels, and I think because of that the most important factor is training. You might have naturally good hand/eye coordination but that's not going to matter if you didn't spend the time practicing and learning the game and it's mechanics. If you've never read up on strategies, learned the fundamentals of micro and macro, and put a lot of understanding into how the game actual works, I don't think how good you are with a mouse is going to matter.

ishboh

United States954 Posts

October 07 2011 15:38 GMT

#339

On March 21 2011 22:18 JeLLe04 wrote:
What do you guys think? If you're high Diamond or Masters, do you think you've worked enough to deserve it, or do you think you were just "born that way"?

I am high diamond, and I have not played THAT much sc2. granted, my skill is still completely terrible compared to professionals, but i think that there is definitely an innate ability to play video games. if you took me and put me in front of a completely new video game and I had to play my dad...i would win hands down (unless maybe the game was a surgery game or something as he is a doctor).

when it comes to sc2, i believe my brother plays more of it than me, i think that I just have more natural talent than him and can still beat him on a regular basis

Lisitsa

Korea (South)29 Posts

October 07 2011 15:41 GMT

#340

Dedication and hard working only up to certain level.

I've been at the Master league since the first day it came out, and I don't feel like I'll be able to get in the GM league at any given rate.

I agree that what is referred as talents are generally in form of either intelligence or physical attributes, but then again I think that those are much more natural than trained.