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Grandmaster League Preview and FAQ
The Grandmaster League commences two weeks after the start of the second StarCraft II League season and is limited to the top 200 eligible players per region -- it is truly the most prestigious Battle.net league for StarCraft II players and will determine who belongs at the top of the ladder. Qualification for this league takes place during the first two weeks of play following the start of a new season, after which potential Grandmaster League candidates must play one more match in order to receive their promotion. Keep in mind that play isn’t separated by league, so Diamond or Master League players will still have the same chance as before to face off against the Grandmasters.
Players must remain active to avoid being removed from the Grandmaster League. Grandmaster players who let their bonus pool pile up will automatically be removed from the league, making room for more active combatants.
FAQ
Q. How do I enter the Grandmaster League?
A. To enter the Grandmaster League:
There needs to be an open slot within the ladder.
You need to be in the top 200 players according to a rolling average of your skill rating.
You must be eligible.
Q. What does eligible mean?
A. To be eligible, your unused bonus pool must be less than 180.
Q. Can I be removed from the top 200?
A. Yes. If your unused bonus pool exceeds 270, you will be removed from the Grandmaster League.
Q. Is there a way to see who is in the Grandmaster League?
A. Yes. Click on the in-game ladder icon, and then click "Grandmaster" to see the current season rankings.
Q. How active do I need to be to stay in the Grandmaster League?
A. Your unused bonus pool must remain under 270. This means you can't get three weeks behind. This is equivalent to roughly 45 games.
edit: Original link from the SC2 official website + Show Spoiler +http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2452060#blog
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Heh, thanks Heraklitus, I was wondering what the source was 
I wonder if you have been grandmaster before, but don't keep it, that your profile indicates this somehow. Seems like a lot of people, especially near the bottom, will move in and out of the league.
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On March 18 2011 01:12 UnRealXenoth wrote:Heh, thanks Heraklitus, I was wondering what the source was I wonder if you have been grandmaster before, but don't keep it, that your profile indicates this somehow. Seems like a lot of people, especially near the bottom, will move in and out of the league.
I think they will make an achievement (Feats of Strength) at the end of each season for the Grandmasters, just like the top 0.2% from WoW arena, that get Gladiator achievements.
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isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something?
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Should be pretty cool to see the squabling to get into GM, and the e-peen associated with it will be fun.
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On March 18 2011 01:16 Wesso wrote:
isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something?
You still need to be in the top 200. If you lose a lot, you'll drop out, just like the rest of the leagues.
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On March 18 2011 01:16 Wesso wrote:
isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something?
If their bonus pool exceeds 270, they will be kicked out and another player will take his place.
I think that'd be about 2 weeks without playing.
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On March 18 2011 01:16 Wesso wrote:
isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something?
Well obviously if they start losing games their mmr will drop and they will be demoted. So you have to keep playing and keep a very good record, simples.
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On March 18 2011 01:16 Wesso wrote:
isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something?
I think it might not be so strange if they start rotating the seasons more often--like maybe every three months or something. This way you get a relatively stable pool of players towards the bottom who can go on short losing streaks and not start bouncing up and down between the leagues.
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I kinda wish that Blizzard would update it more frequently, say every 2 or 3 weeks.
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On March 18 2011 01:20 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:16 Wesso wrote:
isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something? Well obviously if they start losing games their mmr will drop and they will be demoted. So you have to keep playing and keep a very good record, simples.
I guess it's not totally clear, but it seems the GM league won't work the same other leagues. Once you're in, you're in for the season as long as you stay active.
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On March 18 2011 01:20 sushiman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:16 Wesso wrote:
isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something? You still need to be in the top 200. If you lose a lot, you'll drop out, just like the rest of the leagues.
Yeah I hope that's true, but why does it say then that you can only get into the GM league if there is a free spot?
On March 18 2011 01:22 Heraklitus wrote:
I guess it's not totally clear, but it seems the GM league won't work the same other leagues. Once you're in, you're in for the season as long as you stay active.
Yeah I think that this is true.
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Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ?
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On March 18 2011 01:21 Heraklitus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:16 Wesso wrote:
isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something? I think it might not be so strange if they start rotating the seasons more often--like maybe every three months or something. This way you get a relatively stable pool of players towards the bottom who can go on short losing streaks and not start bouncing up and down between the leagues.
I think they'll reset the season every 2-3 months.
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United States7166 Posts
On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ?
until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously
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So all I have to do is spend my 2300 bonus pool while becoming one of the top 200 players in EU, and I can expect the promotion!
kek.
Speaking seriously though, there's two questions I have: A) IF grand masters can be demoted due to their MMR dropping - rather than through inactivity - how is this handled? B) What does the icon look like? :D
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously
i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush
that are part of the game.
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On March 18 2011 01:06 Hoon wrote:
Q. Is there a way to see who is in the Grandmaster League?
Look for nervous tics, sweaty pitstains, pale skin, korean language and sponsor logos on their clothes.
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Calgary25981 Posts
On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game.
He talks endless, ridiculous shit.
Anyways, on topic: Once the slots are filled, you can never get in unless someone becomes inactive? That sounds pretty dumb.
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On March 18 2011 01:59 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game. He talks endless, ridiculous shit. Anyways, on topic: Once the slots are filled, you can never get in unless someone becomes inactive? That sounds pretty dumb.
thats how it has been in wc3 with the proleague. given that seasons only last 3 months, this isnt a big deal
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On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game.
I guess if unorthodox builds are about spamming the shit out of your opponent with trash talk HOPING to throw them off or what have you, then he plays unorthodox builds.
Wonder how well that would work out in a LAN tournament.
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If you're in the top 200, your MMR is pretty damn high, and you're playing quite well. Even if you do abusive strategies-- If they work, they work. If Combat-EX-esque (maybe I should call it Combat-EXque) players are still winning in the top 200, but shouldn't be 'taken seriously', then they won't last long once the game develops because better players will end up knocking them down. I don't really think it's fair to rip on anyone in the top 200 unless they're a hacker. BM?
Block communication. ez
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On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously
He cheats. He doesn't count.
+ Show Spoiler +Bare minimum he was Stream cheating Idra last night, he said what Idra was building at least some times in those matches, like in the first match he said: "Mass speedlings won't work" just as Idras lings were poping in his base.
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On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game.
Lol, you obviously need to do some research on who that kid is.
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Ooh, very nice.
I won't get in obviously, but I enjoy the extra layer of feat that I need to accomplish!
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On March 18 2011 02:06 Jotoco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously He cheats. He doesn't count. + Show Spoiler +Bare minimum he was Stream cheating Idra last night, he said what Idra was building at least some times in those matches, like in the first match he said: "Mass speedlings won't work" just as Idras lings were poping in his base.
thats funny because streams are on delays... So his comment would have been after those lings were already hatched.
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On March 18 2011 02:06 Jotoco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously He cheats. He doesn't count. + Show Spoiler +Bare minimum he was Stream cheating Idra last night, he said what Idra was building at least some times in those matches, like in the first match he said: "Mass speedlings won't work" just as Idras lings were poping in his base.
I think this is pretty unethical, but stream cheaters will always exist. Literally nothing you can do about it, except ban from tournaments, rendering ladder pointless. IdrA could have also queue dodged him quite easily.
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Anyone know what we stand to gain by being at the top of the ladder? Are Blizzcon invites going to be determined by ladder? Is Blizzard going to run SC2 tournaments?
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yea combatex proxy gates or cannon rushes me 90% of the games i play him
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On March 18 2011 02:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone know what we stand to gain by being at the top of the ladder? Are Blizzcon invites going to be determined by ladder? Is Blizzard going to run SC2 tournaments?
I think it would be safe to assume as much. They are slow at getting the "End Plan" online but one can only think that this is a step in that direction. I may be crazy but I think they mentioned ladder tournaments and blizzcon yada yada yada.
On a side note, Nony give me your powers ?
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On March 18 2011 02:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone know what we stand to gain by being at the top of the ladder? Are Blizzcon invites going to be determined by ladder? Is Blizzard going to run SC2 tournaments?
Were the last Blizzcon invites based on top200?
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This whole grandmaster league thing seems kind of meh, because the best players, who are going to be practicing the most and attend the most events are likely not going to have the time to top the ladder.
And yeah from what I gather Blizzcon invites are at least partly ladder based, plus some guests?
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On March 18 2011 02:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone know what we stand to gain by being at the top of the ladder? Are Blizzcon invites going to be determined by ladder? Is Blizzard going to run SC2 tournaments?
in wc3 was a similar liga called proleague. they top8 of every realm got invited to regional qualifiers, where the top2 qualified fpr blizzcom.
i guess it will be like that again
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On March 18 2011 02:12 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 02:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone know what we stand to gain by being at the top of the ladder? Are Blizzcon invites going to be determined by ladder? Is Blizzard going to run SC2 tournaments? Were the last Blizzcon invites based on top200?
NA invites (Huk and Select) were based on ladder, yeah. Other regions got bracket qualifiers and the players invited to play in the qualifier were based on ladder.
I wonder if it's possible to be #1 on the ladder from Masters league.
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United States7166 Posts
It is a mystery..
I'm sure Blizzard doesn't even know themselves, and I think it's safe to assume nothing and that Blizzcon invites will be another hidden, cryptic process unless otherwise specifically told by Blizz
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My guess is that they go based on their own ladder alongside tournament exposure and win.
A little of both perhaps?
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On March 18 2011 02:09 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 02:06 Jotoco wrote:On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously He cheats. He doesn't count. + Show Spoiler +Bare minimum he was Stream cheating Idra last night, he said what Idra was building at least some times in those matches, like in the first match he said: "Mass speedlings won't work" just as Idras lings were poping in his base. thats funny because streams are on delays... So his comment would have been after those lings were already hatched.
Don't forget they take time to build.
And it was a little bit forced on my part. The lings were actually half-way to CombatEX's base. Watch the VODs later, if you have any doubts.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:11 JiYan wrote:
yea combatex proxy gates or cannon rushes me 90% of the games i play him
well if u know that u can prepared and win dont u?
i know cannons and proxy are valid strat if not why do koreans do it?
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On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously
Combat-ex is good at what he does. That is true though that one day people may be able to stomp him every game. I'm just surprised it doesn't already happen. He's combat-ex, you know he's going to cheese.
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On March 18 2011 01:59 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game. He talks endless, ridiculous shit. Anyways, on topic: Once the slots are filled, you can never get in unless someone becomes inactive? That sounds pretty dumb.
That's a good question, I wonder how they're going to do it at the end of the season, the people that didnt perform so well get moved down and a new set of good performing master league players get moved up? So glad they addressed this...
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Will us masterleaguers be the new diamond when grandmaster is out?
I mean, nobody respects diamondleaguers anymore 
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Interesting, so its like the top 200 list actively updated and renamed? cool.
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Well time to aim high
When I finish these damn exams, I will try to fit in some games everyday.
gl hf everyone!
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On March 18 2011 02:19 2GRe-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 02:11 JiYan wrote:
yea combatex proxy gates or cannon rushes me 90% of the games i play him well if u know that u can prepared and win dont u? i know cannons and proxy are valid strat if not why do koreans do it?
Because you lost 100% of the games he doesn't Cannon Rush/Proxy Gate. Sounds absurd but Cannon Rushes work amazingly well in PvP for some odd reason, I've won more games than I have lost doing Cannon rushes and I have lost more games than I have won against them.
Combat-ex is good at what he does. That is true though that one day people may be able to stomp him every game. I'm just surprised it doesn't already happen. He's combat-ex, you know he's going to cheese.
Yeah, I think this is what frustrates most people, you know he is going to cheese, but you don't know what cheese and hes done it so many f**king times that he knows every single in and out of the cheese.
Pretty sure everyone lets out a "sigh" (or "fml") when they see Combat-Ex's name in the loading screen lol
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It actually says "skillrating" which I assume refers to MMR, so people who are top200 now doesnt necessarily have to be top200 based on MMR.
If skillrating is your regular points I'm very confused about the wording, and their aproach...
I don't like the fact that you basically can't be dropped out of it unless you go inactive though, especially if Blizz will use the GM league to give blizzcon invites and other things similar to that.
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On March 18 2011 02:32 Widar wrote:Will us masterleaguers be the new diamond when grandmaster is out? I mean, nobody respects diamondleaguers anymore
You're still top 2% active players minus top 200. Its just that Master League was the only thing you could say to prove you were "good" considering it was the highest you could achieve just like "top/high" Diamond or Platinum back in the day.
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On March 18 2011 01:20 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:16 Wesso wrote:
isn't it strange people can't be removed from GM league, only by them not playing? Or do I miss something? Well obviously if they start losing games their mmr will drop and they will be demoted. So you have to keep playing and keep a very good record, simples.
That's not what the FAQ states. The FAQ says the only way to drop out of GrandMaster league once you're in it is by accumulating over 270 bonus pool points. This means you only get two weeks to get into the GrandMaster league for that season, if you happen to get the game after those two weeks are up and you happen to be GrandMaster material you're SoL until the next season unless a GrandMaster becomes inactive. I don't like it.
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They need to simplify it more for you guys?????
Meaning if you go AFK for awhile, you cant expect to be in the masterleague.
top 200 changes, maybe not much in the 1-100, but the 101-200 probably changes alot
I dont understand why people are confused, and why is there so much hate for everything new to sc2...
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Does this mean, that all the top 200 players from each server will play against each other so the Koreans are also playing against the Europeans?
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On March 18 2011 03:03 Smeik wrote:
Does this mean, that all the top 200 players from each server will play against each other so the Koreans are also playing against the Europeans?
Doesn't say that anywhere, no.
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On March 18 2011 03:03 Smeik wrote:
Does this mean, that all the top 200 players from each server will play against each other so the Koreans are also playing against the Europeans?
No it's still going to be segregated like it is now.
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On March 18 2011 03:03 Smeik wrote:
Does this mean, that all the top 200 players from each server will play against each other so the Koreans are also playing against the Europeans?
No. It's just a new league on top of Masters league.
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Thank you
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On March 18 2011 02:32 Widar wrote:Will us masterleaguers be the new diamond when grandmaster is out? I mean, nobody respects diamondleaguers anymore
nobody on TL really respects masterleaguers either unless they win/place in touraments :[
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On March 18 2011 02:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone know what we stand to gain by being at the top of the ladder? Are Blizzcon invites going to be determined by ladder? Is Blizzard going to run SC2 tournaments?
Every Top 200 blog post Blizzard writes:
We have plans to one day have the best players, based on their current rankings, compete against each other...We will update this list every few weeks until it's time to have them compete.
They've been saying that for a while so it's probably putting that plan into action.
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On March 18 2011 02:32 Widar wrote:Will us masterleaguers be the new diamond when grandmaster is out? I mean, nobody respects diamondleaguers anymore
Probably not, the top 2 percent of players are masters, then the top whatever percent will be grandmasters
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On March 18 2011 03:24 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 02:32 Widar wrote:Will us masterleaguers be the new diamond when grandmaster is out? I mean, nobody respects diamondleaguers anymore Probably not, the top 2 percent of players are masters, then the top whatever percent will be grandmasters
Assuming the 5.05 million player figure from sc2ranks is correct. Being in Grandmaster (on NA server) would be the top .00396% of players.
There are currently 5578 players in master league who have been active in the past 14 days on the NA server according to sc2 ranks. Assuming this is the top 2% a ratio
5578/2=200/x gives us grandmaster league is the top .07171% of (active) players.
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On March 18 2011 02:32 Widar wrote:
Will us masterleaguers be the new diamond when grandmaster is out?
I mean, nobody respects diamondleaguers anymore [/B]
i really don't think so as the GM league is only the top 200 players. that's a pretty select group of people.
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Surely once these 200 players are out of masters I will finally be promoted!
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I am sure this will end up determining who gets to go to Blizzcon, WC3 ladder was used this way back when it was Blizzard's main RTS.
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270 pts is very appropriate for a limit on bonus pool. Looking forward to the league - even though I wont be in it.
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On March 18 2011 01:14 Hoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:12 UnRealXenoth wrote:Heh, thanks Heraklitus, I was wondering what the source was I wonder if you have been grandmaster before, but don't keep it, that your profile indicates this somehow. Seems like a lot of people, especially near the bottom, will move in and out of the league. I think they will make an achievement (Feats of Strength) at the end of each season for the Grandmasters, just like the top 0.2% from WoW arena, that get Gladiator achievements.
I hope there are titles.
Reading through the thread atm to find out when current season ends, anybody know?
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Grr was hoping they would remove bonus pool but sadly not
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less than 180 bonus pool??
damn, i have over 2500, i dont know how i'm gonna empty that :/
bonus pool racks up faster than i can play
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United States12237 Posts
On March 18 2011 05:47 jinorazi wrote:
less than 180 bonus pool??
damn, i have over 2500, i dont know how i'm gonna empty that :/
bonus pool racks up faster than i can play
Bonus pool gets wiped when the new season rolls out.
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please remove bonus pool bullshit, please
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When does the current season end?
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hopefully there is a way to get demoted or promoted based on skill alone and not including the activity of some other random player going inactive... as the bottom of the top 200 fluctuates quite a bit. =/
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On March 18 2011 06:27 KiF1rE wrote:
hopefully there is a way to get demoted or promoted based on skill alone and not including the activity of some other random player going inactive... as the bottom of the top 200 fluctuates quite a bit. =/
The only way is to wait until a new ladder season starts. Blizzard has stated that in future seasons (and maybe this one?) the final 2 weeks (approximation) of the season leagues will be locked with no promotion, demotion or bonus pool addition to allow for people to compete within their division.
Similarly after the first 2 weeks of a new season once the GM division for the season has been decided, the division will be locked with no promotion or demotion (bonus pool will still exist). No one can be demoted from the GM (only 1 per server with 200 players) for playing badly, only inactivity. High Masters players will still want to compete for MMR's sake and getting into GM the next season.
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bump on hmunkey.
I wonder when this will occur. does it look like the last two weeks of March?
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On March 18 2011 06:40 neo_sporin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 06:27 KiF1rE wrote:
hopefully there is a way to get demoted or promoted based on skill alone and not including the activity of some other random player going inactive... as the bottom of the top 200 fluctuates quite a bit. =/ The only way is to wait until a new ladder season starts. Blizzard has stated that in future seasons (and maybe this one?) the final 2 weeks (approximation) of the season leagues will be locked with no promotion, demotion or bonus pool addition to allow for people to compete within their division. Similarly after the first 2 weeks of a new season once the GM division for the season has been decided, the division will be locked with no promotion or demotion (bonus pool will still exist). No one can be demoted from the GM (only 1 per server with 200 players) for playing badly, only inactivity. High Masters players will still want to compete for MMR's sake and getting into GM the next season.
Right, exactly. Blizzard has stated that MMR will persist between seasons. So it's not like a race to the top within the first 2 weeks of a season.
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On March 18 2011 01:14 Hoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:12 UnRealXenoth wrote:Heh, thanks Heraklitus, I was wondering what the source was I wonder if you have been grandmaster before, but don't keep it, that your profile indicates this somehow. Seems like a lot of people, especially near the bottom, will move in and out of the league. I think they will make an achievement (Feats of Strength) at the end of each season for the Grandmasters, just like the top 0.2% from WoW arena, that get Gladiator achievements.
I wonder if each season gets rewarded a special Feats of Strength haha. Relentless Grandmaster, Brutal Grandmaster, Merciless Grandmaster! etc
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Interesting to see them explaining the system and talking about the season length, i look forward to this really getting refined and set to a specific amount of time so we now how much time is left in a season and i really like the grandmaster system i think the inactivity part of it will be key to keeping the most active players on top, but i do see a problem in that often times best players don't have the time to ladder.
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On March 18 2011 06:04 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 05:47 jinorazi wrote:
less than 180 bonus pool??
damn, i have over 2500, i dont know how i'm gonna empty that :/
bonus pool racks up faster than i can play Bonus pool gets wiped when the new season rolls out.
How long is a season? Are there set dates etc?
On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously
All i could do was lol at how true this statement was.
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Surely people can be promoted mid season? What happens if 80 people drop out due to bonus pool accumulation? The top 200 becomes too 120?
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United States12237 Posts
On March 18 2011 07:26 Ryder. wrote:
Surely people can be promoted mid season? What happens if 80 people drop out due to bonus pool accumulation? The top 200 becomes too 120?
Well then obviously the next highest 80 MMR-moving-avg people-with-below-180-bonus-pool would take their place.
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I don't think the pros really give a shit about this, insofar as "epeen" goes. Tournament results are what matters.
This is the equivalent of an A+ guy on ICCup...who cares when you still get wrecked by a random proleaguer.
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On March 18 2011 06:44 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 06:40 neo_sporin wrote:On March 18 2011 06:27 KiF1rE wrote:
hopefully there is a way to get demoted or promoted based on skill alone and not including the activity of some other random player going inactive... as the bottom of the top 200 fluctuates quite a bit. =/ The only way is to wait until a new ladder season starts. Blizzard has stated that in future seasons (and maybe this one?) the final 2 weeks (approximation) of the season leagues will be locked with no promotion, demotion or bonus pool addition to allow for people to compete within their division. Similarly after the first 2 weeks of a new season once the GM division for the season has been decided, the division will be locked with no promotion or demotion (bonus pool will still exist). No one can be demoted from the GM (only 1 per server with 200 players) for playing badly, only inactivity. High Masters players will still want to compete for MMR's sake and getting into GM the next season. Right, exactly. Blizzard has stated that MMR will persist between seasons. So it's not like a race to the top within the first 2 weeks of a season.
For some people it will be though. For example:
If I am a GM player who has floundered the last weeks of the season and am now mostly playing master level players at the start of a new season I will recognize my GM spot is in trouble and race to raise my MMR as fast as possible.
Alternatively if I am a master player playing mostly GM people come the end of one season, I will recognize I have the potential to get into GM the next season and be really pushing to get up there before the new cutoff.
I agree that pro players will not care because they are recognized as the top anyways and they could be in masters for all they care as long as they get tourney results, but to say people won't be racing during the 2 weeks to get up to the GM cutoff that is invisible is just silly.
On a side note I do feel sorry for people that are on the edge and don't make it because they wont know how far they missed it by and will be playing people who got in that they may be "better" than in a 1v1 matchup but not MMR.
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Alternatively if I am a master player playing mostly GM people come the end of one season, I will recognize I have the potential to get into GM the next season and be really pushing to get up there before the new cutoff.
Whether your Masters or Grand Masters, the majority of your opponents are most likely going to be Masters, since there are only 200 people in GM
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On March 18 2011 06:40 neo_sporin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 06:27 KiF1rE wrote:
hopefully there is a way to get demoted or promoted based on skill alone and not including the activity of some other random player going inactive... as the bottom of the top 200 fluctuates quite a bit. =/ The only way is to wait until a new ladder season starts. Blizzard has stated that in future seasons (and maybe this one?) the final 2 weeks (approximation) of the season leagues will be locked with no promotion, demotion or bonus pool addition to allow for people to compete within their division. Similarly after the first 2 weeks of a new season once the GM division for the season has been decided, the division will be locked with no promotion or demotion (bonus pool will still exist). No one can be demoted from the GM (only 1 per server with 200 players) for playing badly, only inactivity. High Masters players will still want to compete for MMR's sake and getting into GM the next season.
the problem i have with that is when people improve think about how long the ladder has went on already without a reset?
which creates the problem what if someone technically is rank 1 but in masters =/ will there still be a top 200 list that compares the top two leagues?
i know the situation is rare, but it could happen. say huk goes inactive doesnt start playing when the leagues are decided and rises up to rank 1 in the server. now the issue is the top 200 in the GM league are going to be arguably the most active players and 270 points to be demoted is close to like 3 weeks of no games at all.
the only way i will personally be fine with the inactivity demotion would be if the seasons were short. And with blizzard, that never seems to be the case. granted yes high masters can fight over mmr etc, but if the new season doesnt come for a while there is practically no point to fighting over it.
heres something for exalibur or someone that is good at analyzing and collecting data from the current top 200 lists. How many players have actually gone inactive to gain more than 270 bonus pool?
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On March 18 2011 01:59 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game. He talks endless, ridiculous shit. Anyways, on topic: Once the slots are filled, you can never get in unless someone becomes inactive? That sounds pretty dumb.
Gogo chill vs combat-ex day9daily youtube, best video ever made. You'll see how to really shit-talk. Ridiclous shit-talk.
ggnore
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i wouldnt mind something like
the top 200 from this season, then every say month?
they drop the bottom 50/100 then replace them witht he top 50/100 from diamond league
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On March 18 2011 09:32 arb wrote:
i wouldnt mind something like
the top 200 from this season, then every say month?
they drop the bottom 50/100 then replace them witht he top 50/100 from bronze league
Reality TV show, friend.
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On March 18 2011 09:18 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 06:40 neo_sporin wrote:On March 18 2011 06:27 KiF1rE wrote:
hopefully there is a way to get demoted or promoted based on skill alone and not including the activity of some other random player going inactive... as the bottom of the top 200 fluctuates quite a bit. =/ The only way is to wait until a new ladder season starts. Blizzard has stated that in future seasons (and maybe this one?) the final 2 weeks (approximation) of the season leagues will be locked with no promotion, demotion or bonus pool addition to allow for people to compete within their division. Similarly after the first 2 weeks of a new season once the GM division for the season has been decided, the division will be locked with no promotion or demotion (bonus pool will still exist). No one can be demoted from the GM (only 1 per server with 200 players) for playing badly, only inactivity. High Masters players will still want to compete for MMR's sake and getting into GM the next season. heres something for exalibur or someone that is good at analyzing and collecting data from the current top 200 lists. How many players have actually gone inactive to gain more than 270 bonus pool?
Current top 200 list world-wide has players with way more than 270 unspent bonus pool.
If we discover a possible GM league offset we can consolidate master + grand master into a single list on sc2ranks.
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On March 18 2011 10:04 SDream wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 09:18 KiF1rE wrote:On March 18 2011 06:40 neo_sporin wrote:On March 18 2011 06:27 KiF1rE wrote:
hopefully there is a way to get demoted or promoted based on skill alone and not including the activity of some other random player going inactive... as the bottom of the top 200 fluctuates quite a bit. =/ The only way is to wait until a new ladder season starts. Blizzard has stated that in future seasons (and maybe this one?) the final 2 weeks (approximation) of the season leagues will be locked with no promotion, demotion or bonus pool addition to allow for people to compete within their division. Similarly after the first 2 weeks of a new season once the GM division for the season has been decided, the division will be locked with no promotion or demotion (bonus pool will still exist). No one can be demoted from the GM (only 1 per server with 200 players) for playing badly, only inactivity. High Masters players will still want to compete for MMR's sake and getting into GM the next season. heres something for exalibur or someone that is good at analyzing and collecting data from the current top 200 lists. How many players have actually gone inactive to gain more than 270 bonus pool? Current top 200 list world-wide has players with way more than 270 unspent bonus pool. If we discover a possible GM league offset we can consolidate master + grand master into a single list on sc2ranks.
been going through that and found quite a few, but say those players dont make the GM league because they have to many bonus points. the ones that do will probably be more active than those that do. that question when i was thinking of it was, taking the most active players and asking if they will stay active, and try to predict how many spots change over the course of time. then when players make it though, they could be pressured more to play and stay active, reducing the number of dropouts further.
hopefully there isnt an offset, and blizzard doesnt over complicate the comparison between master and GM.
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On March 18 2011 10:26 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 10:04 SDream wrote:On March 18 2011 09:18 KiF1rE wrote:On March 18 2011 06:40 neo_sporin wrote:On March 18 2011 06:27 KiF1rE wrote:
hopefully there is a way to get demoted or promoted based on skill alone and not including the activity of some other random player going inactive... as the bottom of the top 200 fluctuates quite a bit. =/ The only way is to wait until a new ladder season starts. Blizzard has stated that in future seasons (and maybe this one?) the final 2 weeks (approximation) of the season leagues will be locked with no promotion, demotion or bonus pool addition to allow for people to compete within their division. Similarly after the first 2 weeks of a new season once the GM division for the season has been decided, the division will be locked with no promotion or demotion (bonus pool will still exist). No one can be demoted from the GM (only 1 per server with 200 players) for playing badly, only inactivity. High Masters players will still want to compete for MMR's sake and getting into GM the next season. heres something for exalibur or someone that is good at analyzing and collecting data from the current top 200 lists. How many players have actually gone inactive to gain more than 270 bonus pool? Current top 200 list world-wide has players with way more than 270 unspent bonus pool. If we discover a possible GM league offset we can consolidate master + grand master into a single list on sc2ranks. been going through that and found quite a few, but say those players dont make the GM league because they have to many bonus points. the ones that do will probably be more active than those that do. that question when i was thinking of it was, taking the most active players and asking if they will stay active, and try to predict how many spots change over the course of time. then when players make it though, they could be pressured more to play and stay active, reducing the number of dropouts further. hopefully there isnt an offset, and blizzard doesnt over complicate the comparison between master and GM.
The present-day Top 200 is by points (we've seen some anomalies but they're quite rare). The Grandmaster League will be by MMR moving average (like any other league). There may be some differences between who's in the Top 200 versus who's in the GM League.
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On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously
lol, I agree :D
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On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously
It's like how a 60 apm map/production tab hacker (iGware) made his way to the top, despite facing gosus w/ 200+ apm.
Just shows how basic the gameplay is right now. Maybe there'll be a time where multitasking actually gives a significant advantage.
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On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game.
Did you watch his games vs Idra? He deserves the rudeness.
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On March 18 2011 01:14 Hoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:12 UnRealXenoth wrote:Heh, thanks Heraklitus, I was wondering what the source was I wonder if you have been grandmaster before, but don't keep it, that your profile indicates this somehow. Seems like a lot of people, especially near the bottom, will move in and out of the league. I think they will make an achievement (Feats of Strength) at the end of each season for the Grandmasters, just like the top 0.2% from WoW arena, that get Gladiator achievements.
.05%, not .2% =p
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On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game.
No, he deserves the hate he gets. It would be fine it he played "unorthodox" builds but he does it while swearing at you.
On topic, its cool that the gm league is coming in. Even if it isnt filled with the best players
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On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously
Sorry I had to quote this for hilarity.
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Zelniq, that was awesome. I wish he was still in the shadows, or at least nowhere near the top of the ladder.
Every now and then I see him sniping people on streams, gotta wonder half the time if he's listening in or not.
Fucking Combat-ex- lol. MY DICK THAT IS.
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On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game.
Did you watch Idra's stream last night? He was so BM in all 3 games that Idra simply ignored him and didn't talk back to him, yes Idra actually ignored someone BM'ing him. He was basically spamming chat through each game calling Idra every name in the book along with insulting everything he could think of through the entire game from the first 6 drones to his eventual ragequit with no GG.
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On March 18 2011 12:56 PanzerKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:14 Hoon wrote:On March 18 2011 01:12 UnRealXenoth wrote:Heh, thanks Heraklitus, I was wondering what the source was I wonder if you have been grandmaster before, but don't keep it, that your profile indicates this somehow. Seems like a lot of people, especially near the bottom, will move in and out of the league. I think they will make an achievement (Feats of Strength) at the end of each season for the Grandmasters, just like the top 0.2% from WoW arena, that get Gladiator achievements. .05%, not .2% =p
0.5%, not .05%.
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Haha, i have 3k+ bonus, so i wont get promoted (if that would be the only obstacle, lol), and i dont plan to get it below 2k in the near future. But if they really will use it for events selection than its a nice idea, people will think of the ladder more seriously. 200 seems like a nice number, and the pro/demotion rules are good too.
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On March 18 2011 13:34 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game. Did you watch Idra's stream last night? He was so BM in all 3 games that Idra simply ignored him and didn't talk back to him, yes Idra actually ignored someone BM'ing him. He was basically spamming chat through each game calling Idra every name in the book along with insulting everything he could think of through the entire game from the first 6 drones to his eventual ragequit with no GG.
CombatEx was doing some hard trolling on Idra. He plays well tho. He just needs to play quiet and he will be respected.
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On March 19 2011 09:34 Hoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 13:34 Zooper31 wrote:On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game. Did you watch Idra's stream last night? He was so BM in all 3 games that Idra simply ignored him and didn't talk back to him, yes Idra actually ignored someone BM'ing him. He was basically spamming chat through each game calling Idra every name in the book along with insulting everything he could think of through the entire game from the first 6 drones to his eventual ragequit with no GG. CombatEx was doing some hard trolling on Idra. He plays well tho. He just needs to play quiet and he will be respected.
There is a difference between spamming a little and joking around. However combat-ex is taking it way beyond that.
I dont really care for general shit talk and trolling, most of the times its actually quite fun or easy to ignore. The problem with combat-ex though is that he is relentless with his trolling/bming, attacking almost any pro in sight. If you ever wathed incontrol stream i think you will know why i say that i hope that piece of shit never make an impact in this scene
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On March 19 2011 09:42 JoxxOr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 09:34 Hoon wrote:On March 18 2011 13:34 Zooper31 wrote:On March 18 2011 01:56 2GRe-Play- wrote:On March 18 2011 01:51 Zelniq wrote:On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? until the gameplay is at a level where combat-ex isn't in the top 10, the ladder will never be taken that seriously i think ppl are to rude with this guy, he just play unorthodoxes build and once in a while cannon rush that are part of the game. Did you watch Idra's stream last night? He was so BM in all 3 games that Idra simply ignored him and didn't talk back to him, yes Idra actually ignored someone BM'ing him. He was basically spamming chat through each game calling Idra every name in the book along with insulting everything he could think of through the entire game from the first 6 drones to his eventual ragequit with no GG. CombatEx was doing some hard trolling on Idra. He plays well tho. He just needs to play quiet and he will be respected. There is a difference between spamming a little and joking around. However combat-ex is taking it way beyond that. I dont really care for general shit talk and trolling, most of the times its actually quite fun or easy to ignore. The problem with combat-ex though is that he is relentless with his trolling/bming, attacking almost any pro in sight. If you ever wathed incontrol stream i think you will know why i say that i hope that piece of shit never make an impact in this scene
Well I've never seen iNcontrol playing against him, so maybe I'm missing something. When I was watching Idra's stream, it looked like he was just trying really hard to get some attention by trolling pro gamers.
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one thing i dont understand is it says there must be an open slot
so if the first 200 players in this league remain active there is no chance for the others to get in unless one of them gets demoted?that doesnt really make sense to me because what happens when rank 201's mmr becomes higher its still not possible to enter?not that ill make it there but i hope i just missunderstood
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yes now there is another league to work towards, grandmasters is just something to work towards
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I wish grandmasters leagues would be top 200 of every server into 1 server optional, it would give more incentive to try to get top 200.
To me it's just another league, it really doesn't say anything to me.. top 200 changes drastically every month for the top lower half..
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The bonus pool requirement ;_;
Oh well.
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What is Blizzards` reasoning for disabling MMR pro/demotions from and to GM league?
The further in the season the more outdated the GM League will be. Top 50 master league players will probably all have higher MMR than bottom 50 GM players.
First two weeks of the season award 200GM spots, last xx weeks award another 3-10? spots due to inactive GMers?
I sure hope top players have enough incentive to play a lot the first two weeks.
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On March 23 2011 20:43 Demosthen3s wrote:
What is Blizzards` reasoning for disabling MMR pro/demotions from and to GM league?
The further in the season the more outdated the GM League will be. Top 50 master league players will probably all have higher MMR than bottom 50 GM players.
First two weeks of the season award 200GM spots, last xx weeks award another 3-10? spots due to inactive GMers?
I sure hope top players have enough incentive to play a lot the first two weeks.
This.
The whole point of the GM league is to provide a CONSTANT top level league where the CURRENTLY best players are, not the ones that were best two months ago. What the hell is the point of having a 3-month long gallery for the players that played best during a 2 week period?
It takes away most of the benefit of the GM league: the incentive to get there by playing well in Master and the status that you are among the best of the best right _now_.
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Isn't the reset today?Thought 3am PST. I don't care too much but I don't want to lose 2-3 games and then miss it. Edit: Found out, but it still hasnt happened. GO WORLD GSL
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On March 29 2011 19:32 FuSioN722 wrote:
Isn't the reset today?Thought 3am PST. I don't care too much but I don't want to lose 2-3 games and then miss it. Edit: Found out, but it still hasnt happened. GO WORLD GSL
what time does it reset?
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On March 29 2011 19:47 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 19:32 FuSioN722 wrote:
Isn't the reset today?Thought 3am PST. I don't care too much but I don't want to lose 2-3 games and then miss it. Edit: Found out, but it still hasnt happened. GO WORLD GSL what time does it reset?
i believe in a half hour from now. it says 5am PST
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On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ?
i dont like the name - sounds like you are a member of the Klan
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On March 29 2011 20:53 resilve wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 01:25 Wolf wrote:
Wow, finally! A league that matters. How badass is it going to be to tell people "Yeah, I'm a Grandmaster" ? i dont like the name - sounds like you are a member of the Klan
Have you ever heard about chess?^^ I can tell you most of these guys aren't members of the Klan^^
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There needs to be an open slot within the ladder.
You need to be in the top 200 players according to a rolling average of your skill rating.
You must be eligible.
Q. What does eligible mean?
A. To be eligible, your unused bonus pool must be less than 180.
So if I got 200 Bonuspool NOW!, I cant get into gradnmaster in 2 weeks?
am i right?
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