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FliedLice

Germany7494 Posts

March 15 2011 22:39 GMT

#241

On March 16 2011 07:37 caradoc wrote:

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I sure as hell would be less than stoked over this if only NA players were invited.

yup, can't say i'm watching the german EPS very often...i did in the beginning, but international events are just waaaay more awesome and better skill-wise

Valikyr

Sweden2653 Posts

March 15 2011 22:39 GMT

#242

On March 16 2011 07:32 Kazang wrote:
My personal feeling is that anyone outside of NA shouldn't be invited. Not that non NA residents can't compete at all, but they should have to qualify.

IdrA would be a rich man then. I mean it's up to the NASL to do as they please and I'll just respect their decision but there are very few american players that are good enough to care about. There is a reason so few americans qualified for TSL.

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

March 15 2011 22:39 GMT

#243

On March 16 2011 07:36 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:

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I don`t know if you are with me on this Dys, but when i hear people shitting on Korean`s English, and that some of the guys that were in Korea for months or even years cant even utter a single Korean word, it makes me laugh.

I can kind of understand it because English is a mandatory Korean class and foreigners need to play while they're there, but I do agree to some extent. at least, they shouldn't be made fun of.

legaton

France1763 Posts

March 15 2011 22:40 GMT

#244

As a business, i think NASLis a tricky pony as they have just two income sources (revenues from sponsoring space and pay-per-watch money) but the way to increase them may be contradictory. Advertisers won't give a flying fuck about the content of the tournament or about who plays what, they want exposure for their message, specially if you offer them a well segmented market niche (let's say the 16 - 29 technophiliac male). To create traffic and public interest, i think Pokebunny may be right when he says the general public may be more interest by fandom and attachment to athletes. Having a huge range of American players would therefore be an asset, specially if you want to develop the American market (and "localism" sells in sports). As a side note, general public may not even realize they are not seeing top-of-the-notch gaming as the korean scene is badly known outside TeamLiquid and maybe Reddit.
On the other hand, that public doesn't exist yet. You are trying to create it and betting on the future. Right now, most of your income will probably come from pay-per-view. That means that most of your money will come from specialized communities with a long story on this market niche. But to please your common TL member, you will need to give him what he asks for, and that's quality, and that means lots and lots of korean players (right now, you would have less than ten Europeans able to be competitive against koreans and a handful of north-americans, and i'm being generous). The e-sport old timer won't really care as much for americans or europeans as he has grown admiring koreans and laughing bitterly at the dismise of every foreigner in the WCG. But he will be horrified but the mediocrity of bad gamers. Attracting them in the short term may be contradictory with your long term objective of developing an audience new to e-sports.
Therefore, i fear they may have a problem conciliating these two things as the transition between the "niche market only" market and the bigger hypothetical public may be difficult to accomplish

tl;dr: TLers want the E-Sports Olympics but the better business model would be the WWF as drama creates audience.

Should have read my message before posting, sorry for the mistakes

rushian

United Kingdom568 Posts

March 15 2011 22:40 GMT

#245

On March 16 2011 07:31 Weasel- wrote:
If they end up picking koreans, I hope they know how to adapt more towards North American culture and actually show a personality on camera. That is the main issue I see with getting korean players.

plenty of koreans show personality on camera. MC, Losira, Leenock, Ace (dancing!!). Plenty of non-koreans don't show personality at all

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

March 15 2011 22:40 GMT

#246

Also, if this is true would you exclude the TL players and the people in GOM foreigner house? they're competing with Koreans, they must be just that good. Or is this racism, and you're hating on them cause they're Koreans? It can't be the language thing, otherwise some Europeans would be excluded.

RedMosquito

United States280 Posts

March 15 2011 22:40 GMT

#247

I dont know any sc2 fan that wouldn't want to see foreigners take on the koreans. It rarely happens and i would love to see it in NASL. Who seriously wouldn't want to watch WhiteRa/Tyler vs a MVP/Nada game?

Enervate

United States1769 Posts

March 15 2011 22:41 GMT

#248

On March 16 2011 07:36 HowSoOnIsNow wrote:

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No offense, but English is pretty much an international language now. About your example, most Koreans now learn English in school while very few westerners learn Korean in school. I could easily survive in Korea without knowing Korean while a Korean would have a much harder time in the US if he didn't know English.

{ToT}ColmA

Japan3260 Posts

March 15 2011 22:41 GMT

#249

who cares about from where the players are, if they are good they can be horses...

as a spectator i want:

GOOD PLAYERS
LAGFREE GAMES for the players so they can play their best
DJWheat casting -_-

but GOOD PLAYERS is the most important one and if the players are able to attend the final lan (is there one?^^) and problems with lag with the koreans playing on the us server is worked around (probably gonna see how it works out in tsl3) why wouldnt u allow GOOD HORS erm PLAYERS into the league.

Consolidate

United States829 Posts

March 15 2011 22:41 GMT

#250

On March 16 2011 07:36 polarity wrote:

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Better name it YAKS. Yet Another Korean Starleague. 'Cause that's all it's gonna be. Nothing wrong with that either, just had my hopes up for something else.

Maybe enlighten us as to what that something else is?

Isaac

United States810 Posts

March 15 2011 22:41 GMT

#251

I'd like some Koreans to show up, just because I don't get to see enough of my favorite koreans play.. Especially MarineKing who isnt going to be in the TSL >.<

homeless_guy

United States321 Posts

March 15 2011 22:41 GMT

#252

Does it make sense to anyone else that simply having a highly-organized tournament with quality, cash prizes, will result in the development, over time, of a NA SC2 scene that is comparable to the Korean scene? I mean, yeah, playing for fun, or just to be good can motivate you, but not like the chance to win money or be king of the hill--real rewards motivate people, not abstract, nebulous goals and ideas. So, by all means, invite some Koreans, it raises the pedigree of the tournament, and sets the bar at a certain skill level--give it a few seasons and I think NA players will start giving Koreans a run for their money.

nvs.

Canada3609 Posts

March 15 2011 22:41 GMT

#253

tl;dr: TLers want the E-Sports Olympics but the better business model would the WWF as drama creates audience.

God, if NASL opts for the latter I will be tres disappointed.

I_Love_Bacon

United States5765 Posts

March 15 2011 22:41 GMT

#254

Realistically, if the NASL was attempting to get the best players in the world... 40 spots would probably go to Koreans (I'd honestly have to think really long and really hard and really narrow down criteria). Is that honestly what a lot of people want?

If you say yes... I think they're lying, but you could be answering truthfully so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

If they say they don't want "that many" then we're only arguing over a matter of degrees, but they acknowledge the problem. "The best of the best" already exists, and it's called the GSL. NASL recognizes this, but some of you apparently haven't.

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

March 15 2011 22:42 GMT

#255

I'd rather say it like this:

Moon said once "Korean own white dudes" and now with the NASL is the time to prove him wrong. Invite the best, let them train for it incredibly hard, and we'll see. :-)

aPhanther

United States119 Posts

March 15 2011 22:42 GMT

#256

Why are there not much foreigners in the GSL? Because it's a live/offline tournament in South Korea and one would have to travel there just to qualify. It would be amazing to see the top players in the world playing in the GSL, but it's just not possible due to the inconvenience for foreigners. Now comes the NASL, an ONLINE tournament where people from all over the world can play from the comfort of their bedrooms! Isn't this what we've always wanted to see? The best players from all over the world clashing against one another without having to travel away from their home (besides the ro16 ofc). This is an amazing opportunity and I personally believe anyone should be able to be invited, as long as they are the best players. We always compare people in the GSL on who's better (ex. MVP>Nestea>MKP>July etc.), but where do the foreigners fall into that spectrum? May we finally get to see an actual global ranking of skill? The NASL can provide this and I am personally excited to see what happens. Anyways, whatever the NASL decides to do, I'll still support and watch the league!

ShyRamen

United States322 Posts

March 15 2011 22:42 GMT

#257

tbh if there were only american players I wouldn't even bother watching... LOL
except very very few players like IdrA and HuK I think the game quality of most american players is very "low" compared to EU and KR

it's because EU and KR players that NASL could be interesting imho so they should invite a good amount of EU.. and a decent amount of KR.

Raisauce

Canada864 Posts

March 15 2011 22:43 GMT

#258

I just want to ask all these people wanting the "best of the best", did you enjoy TSL1 and 2? Because they sure as hell didn't have the "best of the best" bw players, yet they turned out to be amazing tournaments.

apalemorning

Canada509 Posts

March 15 2011 22:43 GMT

#259

actually, this is a somewhat complex question. all this "invite the best" idea is completely insane, if we invited the best in sc2 to participate in the NASL, it would be mostly koreans, and a few NA/EU players. theres only a couple players who arent in korea who can even compete with the best koreans. but on the other hand, if we dont let them play, it looks blatantly racist, not to mention somewhat unfair because a tournament is supposed to be for the best.

also, arguing "lol the gsl invites na players all the time!" is a completely different situation, the koreans already know most of the prize money will never go to foreigners.

im ambivalent.

jmbthirteen

United States10734 Posts

March 15 2011 22:43 GMT

#260

Also the point about Koreans not being into our scene or not being friends with foreigners is well, a terrible argument. They really haven't had the chance to. Sure they have competed in a few tournaments against each other, but thats usually a short amount of time that they even spend together. This would be a league where they are playing against each other much more for an extended period of time. It could do wonders of opening up the Korean scene with the NA/EU scene.

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