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SpinmovE
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada119 Posts
March 10 2011 15:53 GMT
#861
On March 10 2011 21:38 Slakter wrote:
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On March 10 2011 21:28 Baarn wrote:
On March 10 2011 21:21 PraetorianX wrote:
On March 10 2011 21:17 Slakter wrote:
Seriously, I know that this really has nothing to do with this topic since Kelly didnt get fired because of how good she was at casting but still... Seriously, look at older GOM-tournaments from Brood war. We had freaking Super Daniel Man and noone complained... Know why? Because we watched starcraft for the game and the casters were just a bonus, not the reason in itself...


For us who didn't follow BW, who was Super Daniel Man and was he bad at his job, or what?


He was really awesome. He casted with tasteless for gomtv for awhile.

Exactly, but he had even more accent than Kelly yet noone complained...


I find SDM much, much more easy to understand, plus he had incredible knowledge of the game. What my real complaint about the code A casters is though is that they are just boring in comparison to tastosis, not to mention their analysis isn't even close to the level of Artosis'.
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
March 10 2011 15:53 GMT
#862
On March 11 2011 00:44 Rob28 wrote:
If your job is to communicate in real-time with a large audience, you might want to stick to speaking to an audience in your native language.

I'm not harping on her accent; English is a hard language to master if it isn't your first... but I wouldn't try to provide commentary for things in French when I only have a very rusty basic ability to speak the language. Why should the rest of the world feel obligated to do that very thing when it's English?


Just a note, in Singapore English is an official language (I believe it's even the primary language?) and is taught at a very very very early age. It's even used in the school system for instruction. The problem is that Singapore is well known for its 'Singlish' and mangling the English language.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
March 10 2011 15:53 GMT
#863
On March 11 2011 00:52 karpo wrote:
People who compare Kelly to SDM are grasping at straws. SDM's english wasn't top tier but he didn't shriek when the action started to get heavy. The worst part of the last code A matches has been the monotone high pitch screaming from Kelly whenever there is something epic going down.

It's also true that SDM was a terrible caster with absolutely no knowledge of the game, while Kelly is kinda ok, or at least better than he was in scbw.
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Rickilicious
Profile Joined July 2009
United States220 Posts
March 10 2011 15:54 GMT
#864
On March 11 2011 00:50 Sixotanaka wrote:


Did you hate Tasteless for calling Ursadon "Panda bear guy?" Because when it's an American Male they can be as cute as they like, right?


The issue is that Panda Bear guy was used once, and the community thought it was funny ( or not maybe )and was used again. However, the point being, him saying panda bear guy was easy to decipher and did not affect the game in any way whatsoever.

On March 10 2011 20:37 tyCe wrote:


Secondly, she lacks the interpersonal skills or proficiency of the English language to interact with her co-caster synergistically. Oftentimes, she has disregarded a conversion started by her co-caster and proceeded to say something completely irrelevant. It leaves her co-caster hanging and makes for awkward transitions and moments. In that way, she does not provide support for her co-caster in the manner that Artosis and Tasteless often do, saving each other from awkward silences due to overly lame jokes or completely off-topic statements. Her deficiency is not due to a lack of time to gel with DoA, as DoA does his workload of the "gelling" fine enough. Crucially, her mistakes are often very basic. She oftentimes ignores what DoA (or Artosis or Tasteless) has said and just recites a line that she had clearly conjured while her co-caster was trying to dialogue with her. This is commentary symbiosis 101. In fact, it is also plain good manners.


If this thread continues, this should really be stickied.


Doug Righteous
excal
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada166 Posts
March 10 2011 15:57 GMT
#865
On March 10 2011 04:48 rysecake wrote:
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On March 10 2011 04:46 CrazyCow wrote:
Now I can stop watching Code A on mute.


You're an asshole. People like you made her leave/get fired (whatever happened). This community has been absolute garbage to her. I honestly feel sorry for Kelly.


As harsh as most people maybe, if a caster isn't enjoyable to listen to then he or she should be fired. It is kind of in the job description of a caster, to enhance the experience of the watcher.

I personally find her to be hard to understand and I'm not a huge fan of her and while I can't say I'm happy particular that she's gone, I am looking forward to the new caster.
esre
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland109 Posts
March 10 2011 15:57 GMT
#866
On March 10 2011 19:17 Shinta) wrote:
Edit: If you seriously can't understand Kelly's commentary, then YOU need to work on your English.


I dont pay for a service so I have to listen carefully to understand whats being said.
"Personality should be irrelevant. This is a computer game tournament, not a dating show. -Idra"
Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
March 10 2011 15:59 GMT
#867
On March 11 2011 00:50 Sixotanaka wrote:
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On March 11 2011 00:33 PukinDog wrote:
Okay, look.

She's a nice girl, a nice person. GOMtv is a Professional Organization. Okay, we got that out of the way.

Look, it is not a "Rexus", or a "Lexus", but a NEXUS. It's not a "Race-Car" or a "Herron", but a HELLION. Paying customers should NOT have to perform real-time translation while watching a match. Its that simple. I was one of those rooting for Kelly, but come on people, yesterday was worse than ever. With her determination, she will do fine in other ventures, but casting isnt her gig. It just isnt. That is not sexist or racist, or anything accept fact.

I wish her well, and I wish GOM had the foresight to have not divided the community in this way in the first place.



Did you hate Tasteless for calling Ursadon "Panda bear guy?" Because when it's an American Male they can be as cute as they like, right?


There's a difference between joking around in dead time and calling a critter something random and deciding to call a hellion a race car. It's fine to use commonly accepted nicknames for units like Flying DT for Banshee but to just make up some random name for something like racer car is just going to annoy people and seem dumb.
This is the tale of Captain Jack Sparrow!
dras
Profile Joined August 2010
Kazakhstan376 Posts
March 10 2011 16:03 GMT
#868
hate to break this, it was a horrible idea to have her casting in the first place.
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
March 10 2011 16:08 GMT
#869
What the hell, they look like race cars. Such a minor thing to nitpick.

I myself will be sad to see her go. I liked the change from the usual testosterone filled casts. She and tasteless had good chemistry right from the get go and not bad with Artosis either. Did not have a problem understanding her either, people should get their ears checked.

I hope GOM brings her back..
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 16:12:12
March 10 2011 16:11 GMT
#870
On March 11 2011 00:51 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 00:50 Sixotanaka wrote:
On March 11 2011 00:33 PukinDog wrote:
Okay, look.

She's a nice girl, a nice person. GOMtv is a Professional Organization. Okay, we got that out of the way.

Look, it is not a "Rexus", or a "Lexus", but a NEXUS. It's not a "Race-Car" or a "Herron", but a HELLION. Paying customers should NOT have to perform real-time translation while watching a match. Its that simple. I was one of those rooting for Kelly, but come on people, yesterday was worse than ever. With her determination, she will do fine in other ventures, but casting isnt her gig. It just isnt. That is not sexist or racist, or anything accept fact.

I wish her well, and I wish GOM had the foresight to have not divided the community in this way in the first place.



Did you hate Tasteless for calling Ursadon "Panda bear guy?" Because when it's an American Male they can be as cute as they like, right?

lol yeah, you have to be fair - casters are allowed to nickname units.

Although it's usually better when an established caster does it, because the audience isn't new to them in general.

The problem is "The audience" is really objective term. I assume you mean western audiences, because racecar is a common term for hellion in SEA. It's like calling muta dragons, zergling dogs, scv/probe/drone farmers are common. They even say it on TV in China.
I find it funny that people assume she is a terrible caster when she called hellion racecar and she didn't know the name, although just 1 minute ago, she clearly called them hellion and called hellion drop strat when she saw a factory putting down in a corner. to avoid the scan.
CellTech
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada396 Posts
March 10 2011 16:11 GMT
#871
We pay for a service Koreans get for free, aren't we entitled to ask for the best? GOM must cater to our demands or people will find alternate methods to watch GSL (and believe me, there are)
^ Probably a Troll Post
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
March 10 2011 16:19 GMT
#872


so many haters
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
March 10 2011 16:20 GMT
#873
Wait wait wait. Kellymilkies is a bad caster because often times she just starts talking about random things without leaving room for transition or relevant conversation?


You guys have obviously never played the Tastosis drinking game since the regular season started. Take a shot every time they don't see an expansion while one of them is calling the other intelligent/smart/observant/handsome. Take a shot every time they say "This person is definitely going to win this battle/game" and the person loses that battle/game. (this one by itself should be enough to give you liver failure) Take a shot every time Tasteless starts going on a rant about how a girl's memory is better than a guy's. Take a shot every time one of them doesn't notice a drop or expansion because they are talking about what THEY would do in this situation since apparently they have more game sense than Code S players. Take a shot every time they talk about what THEY would do and then it turns out that they were wrong and and didn't notice the reason the player's build looked the way it did.

This isn't just beginning of the game during downtime stuff. They miss important expansions/battles/drops because they are too busy manflirting or talking about themselves. Each one of them does this way more than Kelly.
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
Torumfroll
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
290 Posts
March 10 2011 16:20 GMT
#874
I am happy that she was given the chance to cast one of the biggest e-sports tournaments in the world. It takes a lot of courage to get up on camera and cast in front of thousands of people who watches GSL, and she recieved a lot of harsh criticism before she even started as well as people threatening her which is seriously fucked up.
I am still not a fan of her casting but I think shes improved immensely since she started out and it can only get better from there.
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
March 10 2011 16:22 GMT
#875
While I support Kelly on a pragmatic level, I do look forward to a change in Code A casters. It's really unfortunate, but she just really didn't work as a caster for the event. Doa was more than slightly awkward, and it would have been her role to limit that. Hopefully Moletrap, a true hero for the record, will do better!
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
March 10 2011 16:22 GMT
#876
On March 11 2011 01:11 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2011 00:51 Dfgj wrote:
On March 11 2011 00:50 Sixotanaka wrote:
On March 11 2011 00:33 PukinDog wrote:
Okay, look.

She's a nice girl, a nice person. GOMtv is a Professional Organization. Okay, we got that out of the way.

Look, it is not a "Rexus", or a "Lexus", but a NEXUS. It's not a "Race-Car" or a "Herron", but a HELLION. Paying customers should NOT have to perform real-time translation while watching a match. Its that simple. I was one of those rooting for Kelly, but come on people, yesterday was worse than ever. With her determination, she will do fine in other ventures, but casting isnt her gig. It just isnt. That is not sexist or racist, or anything accept fact.

I wish her well, and I wish GOM had the foresight to have not divided the community in this way in the first place.



Did you hate Tasteless for calling Ursadon "Panda bear guy?" Because when it's an American Male they can be as cute as they like, right?

lol yeah, you have to be fair - casters are allowed to nickname units.

Although it's usually better when an established caster does it, because the audience isn't new to them in general.

The problem is "The audience" is really objective term. I assume you mean western audiences, because racecar is a common term for hellion in SEA. It's like calling muta dragons, zergling dogs, scv/probe/drone farmers are common. They even say it on TV in China.
I find it funny that people assume she is a terrible caster when she called hellion racecar and she didn't know the name, although just 1 minute ago, she clearly called them hellion and called hellion drop strat when she saw a factory putting down in a corner. to avoid the scan.

It's an english cast, and I've never heard racecar as a standard term in SEA.

I agree that people saying she didn't know the name of the unit are being silly, though. This is what I mean, though - if you have an audience unfamiliar with you, and throw in these sort of quirks, they may not respond as well.
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
March 10 2011 16:25 GMT
#877
On March 11 2011 01:20 Eknoid4 wrote:
Wait wait wait. Kellymilkies is a bad caster because often times she just starts talking about random things without leaving room for transition or relevant conversation?


You guys have obviously never played the Tastosis drinking game since the regular season started. Take a shot every time they don't see an expansion while one of them is calling the other intelligent/smart/observant/handsome. Take a shot every time they say "This person is definitely going to win this battle/game" and the person loses that battle/game. (this one by itself should be enough to give you liver failure) Take a shot every time Tasteless starts going on a rant about how a girl's memory is better than a guy's. Take a shot every time one of them doesn't notice a drop or expansion because they are talking about what THEY would do in this situation since apparently they have more game sense than Code S players. Take a shot every time they talk about what THEY would do and then it turns out that they were wrong and and didn't notice the reason the player's build looked the way it did.

This isn't just beginning of the game during downtime stuff. They miss important expansions/battles/drops because they are too busy manflirting or talking about themselves. Each one of them does this way more than Kelly.


Tasteless and Artosis are both former (current in theory?) progamers. They're pretty good. You should listen to their opinions. Also, Tastosis' best feature is the fact that they're unbelievably entertaining. I think it's fine for them to miss an expansion while being hilarious. It's the observer's role to point it out on stream, and you won't miss anything while getting a dose of handsome!
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
March 10 2011 16:28 GMT
#878
On March 10 2011 17:14 JFKWT wrote:
Personally, didn't watch the stream much cos BW is still more interesting to me. She does have a pretty strong accent and Americans probably have trouble following. In all fairness there are several accents and not just Asian accents - making fun of her accent could partly be due to her being Asian, unconsciously or not...


GOM isnt only for Americans (or native English speakers). Non-native speakers normally learn accent-free English.
I personally would probably have the same problems with Cockney or some heavy Irish accents. I can understand their meaning - but I dont understand every word. And I have to concentrate if people are slurring words together so I can understand what almosts sounds as gibberish.

For a normal conversation this is enough, especially when the person is trying to speak slowly and clear. But during a cast where talking fast to convey excitement is sometimes a requirement - sorry it's just not good enough. Especially when I pay to watch (and I cannot watch the freestream at 10am).
And as a caster she needs to be able to draw in new viewers immediately. "Give her time, in 4-5 casts you can understand her" (it improved, but I still cannot understand 100%) is just not an option.
Imagine being a new non-native speaker turning in. Hard to understand - you turn the stream off and never give her another chance.

And trust me - it's not about her being Asian. We are on a website which loves the Korean gaming culture. I bet multiple users watch/watched anime or read manga. Shitton followed the Chinese WC3 scene.

And about being female: I've read more posts that claim "But she's cute/hot/female - give her a break/chance" than "She sucks because she's female". I actually wonder who the sexcists are. And yes it's sexist when you lower your requirements based on gender.


Was Kelly better than what I feared her to be, based upon multiple youtube videos circulating TL before her 1st gom day? Yes. Way better.
Is she what I expect from a GSL caster - sadly no (because I have to concentrate to understand her. I dont have to concentrate to understand Tastosis / Day9).

Is Doa what I want? I dont know. Time will tell.
Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 16:32:28
March 10 2011 16:31 GMT
#879
I always listen to their opinions. And then I compare them to what actually happens in the game, which (too often) turns out to be patently false.

I am not talking about like "oh tasteless said this player should have done somethign differently but thta's wrong"

I am talking about things that are black and white. Like "Oh this guy should have lost"
they don't consider strategy. only tactics. They are not hilarious at all. All they do is the same hyper-nerd humor that doesn't work for anybody but people who already like them. I didn't play brood war. I don't have a history of knowing who they are and enjoying their casts. This is my first reaction to them. I just wish there were casters who gave information that was useful other than trying to show that they can predict a build (and often failing in the process, giving us a wrong build and ignoring what actually goes on in the game).

That being said, now that i think about it. I've laughed at some Tasteless jokes.
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
Jazzyluv
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States36 Posts
March 10 2011 16:37 GMT
#880
Overall, im happy that Kelly is gone, she was not my cup of tea. Partly because of her voice, partly because she was really bad at building tension.
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