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SpinmovE
Canada119 Posts
On March 10 2011 21:38 Slakter wrote: Exactly, but he had even more accent than Kelly yet noone complained... I find SDM much, much more easy to understand, plus he had incredible knowledge of the game. What my real complaint about the code A casters is though is that they are just boring in comparison to tastosis, not to mention their analysis isn't even close to the level of Artosis'. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On March 11 2011 00:44 Rob28 wrote: If your job is to communicate in real-time with a large audience, you might want to stick to speaking to an audience in your native language. I'm not harping on her accent; English is a hard language to master if it isn't your first... but I wouldn't try to provide commentary for things in French when I only have a very rusty basic ability to speak the language. Why should the rest of the world feel obligated to do that very thing when it's English? Just a note, in Singapore English is an official language (I believe it's even the primary language?) and is taught at a very very very early age. It's even used in the school system for instruction. The problem is that Singapore is well known for its 'Singlish' and mangling the English language. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On March 11 2011 00:52 karpo wrote: People who compare Kelly to SDM are grasping at straws. SDM's english wasn't top tier but he didn't shriek when the action started to get heavy. The worst part of the last code A matches has been the monotone high pitch screaming from Kelly whenever there is something epic going down. It's also true that SDM was a terrible caster with absolutely no knowledge of the game, while Kelly is kinda ok, or at least better than he was in scbw. | ||
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Rickilicious
United States220 Posts
On March 11 2011 00:50 Sixotanaka wrote: Did you hate Tasteless for calling Ursadon "Panda bear guy?" Because when it's an American Male they can be as cute as they like, right? The issue is that Panda Bear guy was used once, and the community thought it was funny ( or not maybe )and was used again. However, the point being, him saying panda bear guy was easy to decipher and did not affect the game in any way whatsoever. On March 10 2011 20:37 tyCe wrote: Secondly, she lacks the interpersonal skills or proficiency of the English language to interact with her co-caster synergistically. Oftentimes, she has disregarded a conversion started by her co-caster and proceeded to say something completely irrelevant. It leaves her co-caster hanging and makes for awkward transitions and moments. In that way, she does not provide support for her co-caster in the manner that Artosis and Tasteless often do, saving each other from awkward silences due to overly lame jokes or completely off-topic statements. Her deficiency is not due to a lack of time to gel with DoA, as DoA does his workload of the "gelling" fine enough. Crucially, her mistakes are often very basic. She oftentimes ignores what DoA (or Artosis or Tasteless) has said and just recites a line that she had clearly conjured while her co-caster was trying to dialogue with her. This is commentary symbiosis 101. In fact, it is also plain good manners. If this thread continues, this should really be stickied. | ||
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excal
Canada166 Posts
On March 10 2011 04:48 rysecake wrote: You're an asshole. People like you made her leave/get fired (whatever happened). This community has been absolute garbage to her. I honestly feel sorry for Kelly. As harsh as most people maybe, if a caster isn't enjoyable to listen to then he or she should be fired. It is kind of in the job description of a caster, to enhance the experience of the watcher. I personally find her to be hard to understand and I'm not a huge fan of her and while I can't say I'm happy particular that she's gone, I am looking forward to the new caster. | ||
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esre
Ireland109 Posts
On March 10 2011 19:17 Shinta) wrote: Edit: If you seriously can't understand Kelly's commentary, then YOU need to work on your English. I dont pay for a service so I have to listen carefully to understand whats being said. | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On March 11 2011 00:50 Sixotanaka wrote: Did you hate Tasteless for calling Ursadon "Panda bear guy?" Because when it's an American Male they can be as cute as they like, right? There's a difference between joking around in dead time and calling a critter something random and deciding to call a hellion a race car. It's fine to use commonly accepted nicknames for units like Flying DT for Banshee but to just make up some random name for something like racer car is just going to annoy people and seem dumb. | ||
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
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VillageBC
322 Posts
I myself will be sad to see her go. I liked the change from the usual testosterone filled casts. She and tasteless had good chemistry right from the get go and not bad with Artosis either. Did not have a problem understanding her either, people should get their ears checked. I hope GOM brings her back.. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On March 11 2011 00:51 Dfgj wrote: lol yeah, you have to be fair - casters are allowed to nickname units. Although it's usually better when an established caster does it, because the audience isn't new to them in general. The problem is "The audience" is really objective term. I assume you mean western audiences, because racecar is a common term for hellion in SEA. It's like calling muta dragons, zergling dogs, scv/probe/drone farmers are common. They even say it on TV in China. I find it funny that people assume she is a terrible caster when she called hellion racecar and she didn't know the name, although just 1 minute ago, she clearly called them hellion and called hellion drop strat when she saw a factory putting down in a corner. to avoid the scan. | ||
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CellTech
Canada396 Posts
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arterian
Canada1157 Posts
so many haters | ||
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
You guys have obviously never played the Tastosis drinking game since the regular season started. Take a shot every time they don't see an expansion while one of them is calling the other intelligent/smart/observant/handsome. Take a shot every time they say "This person is definitely going to win this battle/game" and the person loses that battle/game. (this one by itself should be enough to give you liver failure) Take a shot every time Tasteless starts going on a rant about how a girl's memory is better than a guy's. Take a shot every time one of them doesn't notice a drop or expansion because they are talking about what THEY would do in this situation since apparently they have more game sense than Code S players. Take a shot every time they talk about what THEY would do and then it turns out that they were wrong and and didn't notice the reason the player's build looked the way it did. This isn't just beginning of the game during downtime stuff. They miss important expansions/battles/drops because they are too busy manflirting or talking about themselves. Each one of them does this way more than Kelly. | ||
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Torumfroll
290 Posts
I am still not a fan of her casting but I think shes improved immensely since she started out and it can only get better from there. | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 11 2011 01:11 canikizu wrote: The problem is "The audience" is really objective term. I assume you mean western audiences, because racecar is a common term for hellion in SEA. It's like calling muta dragons, zergling dogs, scv/probe/drone farmers are common. They even say it on TV in China. I find it funny that people assume she is a terrible caster when she called hellion racecar and she didn't know the name, although just 1 minute ago, she clearly called them hellion and called hellion drop strat when she saw a factory putting down in a corner. to avoid the scan. It's an english cast, and I've never heard racecar as a standard term in SEA. I agree that people saying she didn't know the name of the unit are being silly, though. This is what I mean, though - if you have an audience unfamiliar with you, and throw in these sort of quirks, they may not respond as well. | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
On March 11 2011 01:20 Eknoid4 wrote: Wait wait wait. Kellymilkies is a bad caster because often times she just starts talking about random things without leaving room for transition or relevant conversation? You guys have obviously never played the Tastosis drinking game since the regular season started. Take a shot every time they don't see an expansion while one of them is calling the other intelligent/smart/observant/handsome. Take a shot every time they say "This person is definitely going to win this battle/game" and the person loses that battle/game. (this one by itself should be enough to give you liver failure) Take a shot every time Tasteless starts going on a rant about how a girl's memory is better than a guy's. Take a shot every time one of them doesn't notice a drop or expansion because they are talking about what THEY would do in this situation since apparently they have more game sense than Code S players. Take a shot every time they talk about what THEY would do and then it turns out that they were wrong and and didn't notice the reason the player's build looked the way it did. This isn't just beginning of the game during downtime stuff. They miss important expansions/battles/drops because they are too busy manflirting or talking about themselves. Each one of them does this way more than Kelly. Tasteless and Artosis are both former (current in theory?) progamers. They're pretty good. You should listen to their opinions. Also, Tastosis' best feature is the fact that they're unbelievably entertaining. I think it's fine for them to miss an expansion while being hilarious. It's the observer's role to point it out on stream, and you won't miss anything while getting a dose of handsome! | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On March 10 2011 17:14 JFKWT wrote: Personally, didn't watch the stream much cos BW is still more interesting to me. She does have a pretty strong accent and Americans probably have trouble following. In all fairness there are several accents and not just Asian accents - making fun of her accent could partly be due to her being Asian, unconsciously or not... GOM isnt only for Americans (or native English speakers). Non-native speakers normally learn accent-free English. I personally would probably have the same problems with Cockney or some heavy Irish accents. I can understand their meaning - but I dont understand every word. And I have to concentrate if people are slurring words together so I can understand what almosts sounds as gibberish. For a normal conversation this is enough, especially when the person is trying to speak slowly and clear. But during a cast where talking fast to convey excitement is sometimes a requirement - sorry it's just not good enough. Especially when I pay to watch (and I cannot watch the freestream at 10am). And as a caster she needs to be able to draw in new viewers immediately. "Give her time, in 4-5 casts you can understand her" (it improved, but I still cannot understand 100%) is just not an option. Imagine being a new non-native speaker turning in. Hard to understand - you turn the stream off and never give her another chance. And trust me - it's not about her being Asian. We are on a website which loves the Korean gaming culture. I bet multiple users watch/watched anime or read manga. Shitton followed the Chinese WC3 scene. And about being female: I've read more posts that claim "But she's cute/hot/female - give her a break/chance" than "She sucks because she's female". I actually wonder who the sexcists are. And yes it's sexist when you lower your requirements based on gender. Was Kelly better than what I feared her to be, based upon multiple youtube videos circulating TL before her 1st gom day? Yes. Way better. Is she what I expect from a GSL caster - sadly no (because I have to concentrate to understand her. I dont have to concentrate to understand Tastosis / Day9). Is Doa what I want? I dont know. Time will tell. | ||
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
I am not talking about like "oh tasteless said this player should have done somethign differently but thta's wrong" I am talking about things that are black and white. Like "Oh this guy should have lost" they don't consider strategy. only tactics. They are not hilarious at all. All they do is the same hyper-nerd humor that doesn't work for anybody but people who already like them. I didn't play brood war. I don't have a history of knowing who they are and enjoying their casts. This is my first reaction to them. I just wish there were casters who gave information that was useful other than trying to show that they can predict a build (and often failing in the process, giving us a wrong build and ignoring what actually goes on in the game). That being said, now that i think about it. I've laughed at some Tasteless jokes. | ||
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Jazzyluv
United States36 Posts
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