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Ryder.
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
They were not going to nerf Ghosts at all, now they nerf EMP and Protoss still complaining? | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
Cheers blizzard, I guess toss's leaked >50% win rate against Terran really justified a nerf, and one that didn't involve collusi at that. Are you talking about the ones from Naniwa? Because IIRC, they were in favor of Terran by 5%~ | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
On March 09 2011 22:08 Markus138 wrote: why? i never understand that logic. When i programm something it does not matter in any way how the version is called. If Blizzard decides to call the next version 1.2.2.1243 or 2.0 it does not make _ANY_ difference. It's just marketing, nothing else If you use compatibility which Blizzard certainly do then it matters very much what the version number is and its not something an individual programmer has any control over that would be in the control of the project leader and the compatibility software. Theres no logic to it really other than that its sensible to jump to 1.2 to 1.3 for example for a release with a lot of changes involving a lot of teams because it gives you more numbers to play with every time you compile while you are testing. Usually only bug fixes and small changes go up in smaller steps. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13426 Posts
On March 11 2011 09:40 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Protoss are doin well in every major tournament right now. Dunno what there is to complain. They were not going to nerf Ghosts at all, now they nerf EMP and Protoss still complaining? we were hoping for a more measured approach to the khaydarin amulet nerf. we were hoping they didnt remove it but made some change so that warp in storm doesn't happen anymore. Thats the issue, as it stands emp still ostensibly removes all energy from templar which replace sentries in the late game as our gas heavy unit. We also have less max energy (than BW with amulet upg) so even at full energy the HT will only have a storm and not a storm and feedback (it takes a few in game minutes to build up this energy), which is an added issue not a major one however that not many ppl care about. We are also frustrated with the removal of upgrades completely thereby limiting options in game for us SC2 players let alone P players. A more measured response would be +25%/50% starting energy, +25 max energy for amulet. Since this would let us stock up some templar for example at 200 so even after a storm they can retreat and recover energy or use feedback and not be a useless 2 food paperweight. Further, we could warp in templar at our base when we see the T move out and have storm ready when they show up or warp in templar and retreat to their (new templar) position so that we can hold a push that is over powering our army a lot. This pull back however would require us to warp in a templar far enough away that it doesnt die instantly and we would need to hold off the terran long enough to collect energy on the templar as it is. however, saving 25 energy takes to long to make this an option and saving 15 energy is much more reasonable as its a difference of 15-20 seconds. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On March 11 2011 09:44 Dommk wrote: I don't even see the point of this, how many Templars actually make it to 175 energy in a game :X? Are you talking about the ones from Naniwa? Because IIRC, they were in favor of Terran by 5%~ Yep sorry my bad, I'm on an iPhone and suffer from fat finger syndrome :p but yes I do recall that PvZ and PvT were both in favor of Terran and Zerg respectively by a decent margin. | ||
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sagefreke
United States241 Posts
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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Sra
Netherlands75 Posts
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
I like how people are moaning that EMP makes HTs useless. Guess what Feedback does... That's probably the main reason EMP will still nullify HTs in 9/10 situations. | ||
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spacenegroes
United States80 Posts
It's a decent concession. | ||
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Hozer
United States18 Posts
On March 11 2011 10:16 sagefreke wrote: I'm definitely going to start experimenting with Infestors in all my matchups now. Infestors vs Protoss deathball will be very interesting to see. Get off 2-3 good fungals and then charge in with roaches against a pretty much shieldless protoss army From what I've tried on PTR and in what seems to make more sense, is to be fungaling after you engage. The real time length is so short now, that as you send your army in, you fungal, wait ~1.5 seconds, and fungal again. That 3 seconds, massive damage will be done between fungal + units, and you have a much more lethal attack. Because the movement prohibiter is so short, its not effective to use it as a delay / stand still. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On March 11 2011 08:21 ffadicted wrote: lol so blizzard thinks that EMP removing only 100 energy is going to solve anything? When was the last time you had a high templar just chilling around with 175 energy? Why in the world would any protoss have an HT chilling with 175 energy when they aren't even required to have HTs in the deathball until the moment they are attacking or units have reached their base? With the requirement to get HTs AHEAD of time, it will become much more common to have HTs with saved-up energy. | ||
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jaiiiii
United States72 Posts
On March 11 2011 10:50 Nemireck wrote: Why in the world would any protoss have an HT chilling with 175 energy when they aren't even required to have HTs in the deathball until the moment they are attacking or units have reached their base? With the requirement to get HTs AHEAD of time, it will become much more common to have HTs with saved-up energy. Kinda have to bring your ht's near the bulk of our army well before fights just because they travel absurdly slow. Also, to be brutally honest, if this patch goes through I seriously doubt ht will be brought out much. Their relative uselessness and the time it takes to get to them is just too much of a risk when the much safer (albeit predictable) robo path is available. so I doubt you'll see many ht's with energy saved up  Dunno how to equate the nerf to something that players of another race could relate to, so I'm not going to try. Suffice to say it'll severely limit Protoss strategies by, for all intensive purposes, cutting off an entire tech path, which is never a good thing. | ||
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Garalor
Germany136 Posts
# Zealot * Charging Zealots will now hit fleeing targets at least once. does it help with chargelots against marauder ball? | ||
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