EPTOn February 28 2011 21:32 DeCoder wrote:
But you can still detonate them manually within that 1.5 second?
But you can still detonate them manually within that 1.5 second?
No, you can not target your own units either.
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Excludos
Norway8073 Posts
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ohlala
Germany232 Posts
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
On February 28 2011 10:31 Ksi wrote: If only Blizzard actually agreed with this totally rational assertion. Yep, I play P but it just seems in your face obvious that for a Z to win they need to have significantly more skill than P or T - in APM alone, let alone unit composition. Talk about a race with limited options. I feel so sorry for Z, must be very boring to play :/ | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
On February 28 2011 11:59 Sek-Kuar wrote: I dont want to imagine such a thing, that would be horrible  Infestor with upgrade needs 50 seconds before he can cast FG, and he also has to travel Hatch -> Battle HT without upgrade needs 49,4 seconds to cast Storm and is teleported where needed And Protoss are still raging :o This change is going to balance casters. Thats IMO good thing. If game will be imbalanced by this, then Blizzard can balance it around this change. But Protoss already have Warp-in (which basically serves as almost +25 energy upgrade + teleport) so they should not have separate upgrade too. No, this change might balance one of the casters. Ghost can still snipe, call down a nuke, cast EMP without researching it, go invisible........... It's certainly not going to balance anything for all casters. | ||
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Zorkmid
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:00 Zorkmid wrote: Seems from the patch notes that the reset will come at the start of this patch? Thoughts? Placement within a division will still be worth exactly nothing with some divisions being stacked and some...not. So unless with the reset there will be a "real" ladder that comprises each and every player within a league, the system still isn't even close to elo-ratings that have existed for ages. What's very good though is that the accumulated bonus points finally get deleted for everyone. This means points will start to matter again, at least during the first few weeks. Right now when a 2k master beats a 3k, it could very well be that the 2k is indeed way better but just hasn't used his bonus pool. Nevertheless we, again, have to get used to, say, being above 1k means high level...like it was back in July/August when there was a very low point-inflation. | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
On February 28 2011 18:14 sleepingdog wrote: What bothers me the most is the recent trend at Blizzard to just REMOVE stuff that turned out to be problematic. Yes, I as a toss player admit that some warped in templars late-game can really finish a game even if the terran has macroed well the whole time. There's something wrong about that, definitely. Nevertheless simply REMOVING a strategic option is, in my humble opinion, never a good approach to anything. Flux vanes were insanely strong vs zerg lategame, and still, just removing them lowered the amount of strategies available. So will the removal of the amulet. I would really prefer if Blizz tried to fix supposedly imbalanced upgrades/etc. by either reworking it or buffing counters. For example, why not add a expensive upgrade for ghosts that increases the radious of EMP? So that one ghost might get more templars? Just some crazy thinking, but this would actually increase the strategic depth of the game, removing stuff always decreases it...by...well...definition, you could say. I have to quite genuinely and seriously ponder here though, does anyone think that there's already a lot of units and options in this game. What on earth are they going to put in for TWO expansion packs? There's going to be so many units with crossover skills (like the Thor for example) | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
Personally i think they should do this to all spell casters. It not only makes big spells like Yamato and HSM more viable. But is a balencer for Storm, EMP, and FG. I also personally believe that FG and EMP should be researched. Ammy removal is to much. They should just do it BW style. More energy to be banked and a little more starting energy. | ||
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Gunman_csz
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:27 GinDo wrote: Personally i think they should do this to all spell casters. It not only makes big spells like Yamato and HSM more viable. But is a balencer for Storm, EMP, and FG. I also personally believe that FG and EMP should be researched. Ammy removal is to much. They should just do it BW style. More energy to be banked and a little more starting energy. Seriously? I also personally believe Forcefield and Feedback should be researched, ROFL | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
What I think is just blatantly obvious and needs to be changed asap: - Collossi VS Zerg: either buff corruptors or nerf Collossi, one of them just needs to be done! - Neural parasite: Almost everyone agrees that the speel is too weak atm. - Hunter Seeker Missile: Have we ever seen this one used in the last few months? Why doesn't Blizzard change it if it's obivously completely useless? - Ultras are too weak - Zerg T3 is extremely weak, especially with Ultras being nerfed and Broodlords aren't that good either against most Lategame-compositions. In addition to that, Zerg has the weakest Maxed out Army anyways. - Protoss Deathball: Sth. needs to be done about Collossi+VR's+Stalkers, maybe buff Corruptors or sth. like that. - Hydras: They are just completely useless offensively in most situations and get sooo easily hard-countered by Collossi - it's just not balanced anymore. - Carriers: C'mon Blizzard - no1 uses them, there is obivously sth. wrong with them! | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:53 kickinhead wrote: I really have no Idea what Blizzard is doing atm. cuz the balance-changes are just hilarious, there are soooo many obvious things Blizzard NEEDS to improve, yet they make those arbitrary changes no1 asked for... yeah there is much more in the game that could/needs to be tweaked. but all the changes in this patch are a step in the right direction (except the fungal change which i think is not needed and possibly overpowered in some situations) so we should atleast give them that. | ||
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dafnay
Angola375 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:53 kickinhead wrote: I really have no Idea what Blizzard is doing atm. cuz the balance-changes are just hilarious, there are soooo many obvious things Blizzard NEEDS to improve, yet they make those arbitrary changes no1 asked for... What I think is just blatantly obvious and needs to be changed asap: - Collossi VS Zerg: either buff corruptors or nerf Collossi, one of them just needs to be done! - Neural parasite: Almost everyone agrees that the speel is too weak atm. - Hunter Seeker Missile: Have we ever seen this one used in the last few months? Why doesn't Blizzard change it if it's obivously completely useless? - Ultras are too weak - Zerg T3 is extremely weak, especially with Ultras being nerfed and Broodlords aren't that good either against most Lategame-compositions. In addition to that, Zerg has the weakest Maxed out Army anyways. - Protoss Deathball: Sth. needs to be done about Collossi+VR's+Stalkers, maybe buff Corruptors or sth. like that. - Hydras: They are just completely useless offensively in most situations and get sooo easily hard-countered by Collossi - it's just not balanced anymore. - Carriers: C'mon Blizzard - no1 uses them, there is obivously sth. wrong with them! wtf? corrupt are already very effective against colossi -.- | ||
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Aspect1123
7 Posts
I really really think the mothership nerf is completely unnecessary only giving reason for us to use the mothership less and less. The infestor "nerf" is really also a buff depending on how you look at it. It deals more damage, you can lead the shot but the units arent held in place for as long as they used to.... | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:43 Gunman_csz wrote: Seriously? I also personally believe Forcefield and Feedback should be researched, ROFL Well the problem is Forcefield is neccessary for PvT and a research would highly imbalence the game in Terrans Favor. It will also kill Sentry expanding. Your mostlikely QQing about Forcefield because of ForceField Collosi mix. Which is Late game thus a research wouldn't change crap. Research would only change early game. Second FeedBack isn;t really that big of a game changing ability like FG EMP and Storm. Its good no doubt but its one of those handy spells like Snipe, AutoTurret, and Infested Terran. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:59 Aspect1123 wrote: This patch makes me sadface... Were that many people complaining about my archon toilet? I really really think the mothership nerf is completely unnecessary only giving reason for us to use the mothership less and less. The infestor "nerf" is really also a buff depending on how you look at it. It deals more damage, you can lead the shot but the units arent held in place for as long as they used to.... Mothership is a support unit not a gamebreaker. Its to easy to do and its Retarded. The Infestor is a buff, and anyone who says the projectile is a nerf. Not really becasue now you can pre-plan your Fungals thus extendeding the range by 1-2 if your good. People cry to much. These are actually pretty good patches. Whats funny is that Terran seem to cry the least. One step at a Time poeple. Games take time to balence. At least Blizzard hasn't abandoned us like other RTS's do. | ||
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ShadowLegacy
Canada55 Posts
Few things that people need to take into account: Yes warp in storms needed a nerf. The problem is and always will be the relationship with EMP. Getting rid of the warp-in storms while doing nothing to EMP breaks the relationship between the two and renders HT tech useless. Who in their right mind will tech to something that can be completed countered by 2-3 good emps ? - Either they need to bring back the BW amulet, or re-work EMP. | ||
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Overpowered
Czech Republic764 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:43 Gunman_csz wrote: Seriously? I also personally believe Forcefield and Feedback should be researched, ROFL Research Feedback and Forcefield? U mad? Try to hold of as Toss some 2rax/scv/marine all ins without blocking ramp with FF. Impossible. FF is only thing keeping Protoss alive until splash damage. And Feedback - why? It is not gamechanging spell, so why? | ||
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MeowMeowMeow
8 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:53 kickinhead wrote: I really have no Idea what Blizzard is doing atm. cuz the balance-changes are just hilarious, there are soooo many obvious things Blizzard NEEDS to improve, yet they make those arbitrary changes no1 asked for... What I think is just blatantly obvious and needs to be changed asap: - Collossi VS Zerg: either buff corruptors or nerf Collossi, one of them just needs to be done! - Neural parasite: Almost everyone agrees that the speel is too weak atm. - Hunter Seeker Missile: Have we ever seen this one used in the last few months? Why doesn't Blizzard change it if it's obivously completely useless? - Ultras are too weak - Zerg T3 is extremely weak, especially with Ultras being nerfed and Broodlords aren't that good either against most Lategame-compositions. In addition to that, Zerg has the weakest Maxed out Army anyways. - Protoss Deathball: Sth. needs to be done about Collossi+VR's+Stalkers, maybe buff Corruptors or sth. like that. - Hydras: They are just completely useless offensively in most situations and get sooo easily hard-countered by Collossi - it's just not balanced anymore. - Carriers: C'mon Blizzard - no1 uses them, there is obivously sth. wrong with them! so basically: - Buff Z - Remove the stuff you don't use | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:17 MeowMeowMeow wrote: Basically he said buff Z, HSM, And carriers, learn to read so basically: - Buff Z - Remove the stuff you don't use | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On February 28 2011 23:57 dafnay wrote: wtf? corrupt are already very effective against colossi -.- Yes, if you build 20 Corruptors VS 5 Collossi, the Protoss doesn't know how to micro, has not enough VR's in his deathball and if you are willing to loose to the Protoss' ground army with nothing but corruptors left, then yeah - they are pretty effective. | ||
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