EPTOn February 27 2011 12:42 dump wrote:
By the way I haven't seen a bunker rush in a while. What match-up/league was it a problem for?
By the way I haven't seen a bunker rush in a while. What match-up/league was it a problem for?
are u trollin?
Patch 1.3 on PTR - Page 113
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
BandonBanshee
Canada437 Posts
are u trollin? | ||
|
ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:26 mprs wrote: 3) Grandmaster league is for the top 200. If you are at any point a top 200 player part of your region, then you will be in the grandmaster league. When you lose top 200, you will be kicked out. The only times you cannot be promoted/demoted is during the last week of a season's end. Wrong. Grandmaster league is predetermined at the beginning of a season, using the top 200 from last season. ITs set, and only inactivity can kick you out. So you can't "break" into GM League until a season reset. | ||
|
Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:42 dump wrote: By the way I haven't seen a bunker rush in a while. What match-up/league was it a problem for? The top, GSL and such. It was being used far too often at high level play and the problem is that, even if it fails, there is little consequence. While on the other hand, it has the potential of putting the Zerg behind enough for the Terran to expand and be one base ahead. Making it extremely improbable for the Zerg to win. | ||
|
Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:32 PrinceXizor wrote: the people who feel it's a nerf used infestors for the snare ability, the people who think it's a buff saw the dps increase as a buff. If psi storm did 40 damage but snared units for 4 seconds, people would view that as a buff or a nerf? it all depends on what you want to do with the unit. it's a nerf because it relies on terran to make mistakes to land. Yes sure people Catz and Sheth face on US servers probably dont have sufficient micro to avoid those mistakes but good luck landing fungals on someone MVP/Jinro caliber. | ||
|
Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:32 PrinceXizor wrote:If psi storm did 40 damage but snared units for 4 seconds, people would view that as a buff or a nerf? it all depends on what you want to do with the unit. I think most Protoss would view this as a buff against Terran, because for the most part, I don't think bio sits in storm for more than 2 seconds, and snaring the units would keep them from both moving forward to snipe colossi and moving backward to kite zealots, so you wouldn't need as many sentries, just enough for guardian shield. | ||
|
Stiver
Canada285 Posts
-> players in the top 200 are there until the season ends? -> you can be kicked out of the league only if you stop playing and bonus point gets to high So once you are in top 200 you just have to play a lot and you are safe. seems odd to me | ||
|
PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:51 Kyadytim wrote: I think most Protoss would view this as a buff against Terran, because for the most part, I don't think bio sits in storm for more than 2 seconds, and snaring the units would keep them from both moving forward to snipe colossi and moving backward to kite zealots, so you wouldn't need as many sentries, just enough for guardian shield. so if sacrificing damage for a snare is a buff, then why is sacrificing snare for damage also a buff? zerg players who solely muta ling bane can be so single minded, damage damage damage. while alot of non Z's see infestors as having more dps and ignore the fact that infestors are best used to force good positioning, since with good positioning zerg can overwhelm most armies anyway. | ||
|
uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:47 ch33psh33p wrote: That really sucks for up and coming players trying to break into the top 200, will just make it that much harder for players who ladder to get noticed.Wrong. Grandmaster league is predetermined at the beginning of a season, using the top 200 from last season. ITs set, and only inactivity can kick you out. So you can't "break" into GM League until a season reset. | ||
|
Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:59 PrinceXizor wrote: so if sacrificing damage for a snare is a buff, then why is sacrificing snare for damage also a buff? zerg players who solely muta ling bane can be so single minded, damage damage damage. while alot of non Z's see infestors as having more dps and ignore the fact that infestors are best used to force good positioning, since with good positioning zerg can overwhelm most armies anyway. how many muta-ling zergs do u see use infestors? Not many even tho each fungal can change the tide of the game. It's just very hard to land even insta cast fungals, between stim snipes, tank range, and ghosts. Although i guess it might proven to be a buff if it is just sooo good that it makes roach viable again | ||
|
scFranco
United States127 Posts
| ||
|
Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
| ||
|
Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 27 2011 13:22 Kyadytim wrote: The reason sacrificing damage for snare would be a buff is that storm wouldn't be losing a lot of damage because units usually move out of it before it does much more than the number you gave. So, it would really just be gaining the snare effect. Against Zerg, it might be a nerf. yea its a ridiculous comparasion to take a look at one spell froma race arsenal when each race has completely different set of utilities. Even for zergs alone it's definitely a nerf in the mindset of muta-ling but might be an upgrade if roach is viable. | ||
|
WUTLOL
Finland1 Post
 | ||
|
Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On February 27 2011 13:26 Sfydjklm wrote: yea its a ridiculous comparasion to take a look at one spell froma race arsenal when each race has completely different set of utilities. Even for zergs alone it's definitely a nerf in the mindset of muta-ling but might be an upgrade if roach is viable. Quite. I only answered PrinceXizor from the perspective of Protoss against MMM-based Terran compositions, which is where storm seems to be most commonly used. Against pretty much everything else (mech Terran, Hydras off creep, Roaches, it's definitely a nerf. Probably, the Fungal change overall is going to make Infestors weaker against Marine/Tank based compositions, because it really was most useful for the snare effect against Marines to hold them in place for Banelings. It also worked pretty well for supplementing Zergling damage against Marines. Now, it's really good at supplementing Zergling damage against Marines, but much worse at assisting banelings. | ||
|
dump
Japan514 Posts
Wtf? That was an honest question. I haven't been watching GSL or any other pro games for a while, just Day9 and my own games. On February 27 2011 12:47 Nilrem wrote: The top, GSL and such. It was being used far too often at high level play and the problem is that, even if it fails, there is little consequence. While on the other hand, it has the potential of putting the Zerg behind enough for the Terran to expand and be one base ahead. Making it extremely improbable for the Zerg to win. Thanks. | ||
|
Fenrisulf
United States325 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:18 TheTenthDoc wrote: This patch: -nerfs Terran early game -nerfs Protoss late game -buffs infestors to be mini-templar Isn't this exactly what the pro community has been demanding more or less? I really don't see the hate for this patch beyond the mothership nerf (which might be less harsh if you can attack while invulnerable; vortex my army for them to be invincible for a bit could be fun). the pro community has been demanding nerfs to Collosus specifically. This nerf to HT makes for a Tier 3, 1.875 mvspd unit with 80 health and no attack that has to wait 45 seconds to cast its only offensive spell that works on non-spellcaster units (which still has to be researched). Why would you make this unit? | ||
|
SCPenguin
United States19 Posts
I hope to see that they add more. Whether they make or break the game, I love balance patches. They gives us something to talk/complain about. | ||
|
Lucid90
Canada340 Posts
Second of all, the fucking timing of the fungal is 4 seconds from 8 seconds. Now this is a massive fucking change, big enough to make most top zergs stop using infestors, and only use them in a small specific situation, or when they are ahead in the game. Making the immobility 4 seconds means much less banelings will connect with marines, which is actually a huge buff to Terran. So now what most likely will happens is zergs will switch their resources from infestor to just making more lingbling and muta. This is the best option because the infestor can't kite nearly as well as it used to. | ||
|
Garnet
Vietnam9033 Posts
| ||
|
RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
| ||
| ||
