EPTOn February 27 2011 05:00 MeowMeowMeow wrote:
Is PDD going to affect FG now?
Is PDD going to affect FG now?
Don't think PDD affects spells.
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
Don't think PDD affects spells. | ||
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Tiax;mous
669 Posts
On February 27 2011 04:35 Serpico wrote: If they need to hide from their loss total then they probably dont have what it takes regardless. You have to lose A LOT to get better. So blizzard supposed to give up on lesser players? its just to prevent ladder shyness , even after months we still have "I cant ladder because of blah" threads in TL. I can't understand how and why someone would dislike such a thing. People keep saying "number doesnt mean shit , leagues doesnt mean shit , just go keep playing and get better , your gameplay is all that matters" then hate on blizzard for some hiding numbers to encourage newbies? uh.. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On February 27 2011 04:39 beetlelisk wrote: But you can send your Ghosts in before your army. If there are any Colossi left you can send them in with Vikings. ..why? So your ghosts and your vikings can die? Sending vikings doesn't stop the colossi from shooting the ghosts. Even sans-colossus, I wouldn't send my ghosts in alone unless I had cloak and had scanned and seen no observers. Which I do sometimes do, when I'm on my laptop which lags super hard in big battles (so I have to EMP the ht's before the battle even starts because I can't move out of storms because of horrible lag - fucking laptop). But at that point in the game, his army is going to be big enough to just kill the ghosts before you get off more than 1 EMP, and certainly before you can get to the ht's which should be a) spread out and b) not at the front. | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
Same for HTs of course, but Ghosts have superior speed, and cloaking that helps a ton in that situation. | ||
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
I really was not expecting a BC speed buff. Quite a large one at that. | ||
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KayEffCee
3 Posts
Anyone can do a compilation video?  | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On February 27 2011 04:58 The KY wrote: I'm unsure as to how the projectile thing is going to work; it doesn't say it's dodgeable. Regardless I'd think if you have infestors out then MM is the least of your worries. Plus it now does +30% to armoured, i.e. marauders. EDIT: ok someone says you can dodge it. It's definitely dodgeable. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:27 jaearess wrote: He's saying that two of the best Terran's in world can use mech effectively, but no one else can (not really true, but I'll go with it.) What I'm saying is, the game should be balanced around what people can do at the highest levels--what you said has nothing to do with that. If MC was using Templar effectively, and smashing everyone with the Archon toilet, you might have a point. He's not, so your post is basically a non sequitur. Hardly, Jinro used mech in very situational plays, and in the engagements in was fragile as hell. MVP had perfect positioning with a maxed out army and got ROLLED by protoss, it was ridiculous. And that's to mention voids or carriers were never used, immortals were gotten extremely late, and there was almost PURE siege tank, meaning almost any small group of air would have forced him to unsiege --> get rolled harder. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On February 27 2011 05:05 The KY wrote: ..why? So your ghosts and your vikings can die? Sending vikings doesn't stop the colossi from shooting the ghosts. Even sans-colossus, I wouldn't send my ghosts in alone unless I had cloak and had scanned and seen no observers. Which I do sometimes do, when I'm on my laptop which lags super hard in big battles (so I have to EMP the ht's before the battle even starts because I can't move out of storms because of horrible lag - fucking laptop). But at that point in the game, his army is going to be big enough to just kill the ghosts before you get off more than 1 EMP, and certainly before you can get to the ht's which should be a) spread out and b) not at the front. My point is it is a win-win situation because even if you can't pull off EMPs you can just retreat you Ghost(s) and leave Vikings to shoot at Colossi. You can always abuse something without (or before) engaging in a battle. | ||
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Jayrod
1820 Posts
Anyone happen to catch day's recent daily of that Intotherainbow vs. some protoss where he built only marines except like 3 ghosts in the very late game? He basically crushed the protoss with only marines. How would you guys feel if they kept Amulet removed but made all casters start at 60 energy instead of 50? | ||
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semm
United States9 Posts
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Aequos
Canada606 Posts
I would happily take a nerf to Colossi if I could simply use High Templars more. | ||
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XenoKai
Canada53 Posts
EDIT:  User was warned for this post | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
Just when I was accustomed to getting HTs much faster, sometimes even skipping Collosus vs Terran (which can be risky if they do a good Stim timing, you tend to die especially if you have an expo without ramp to defend) this happens. Meh. Not sure if Blizzard understand the insane amount of tech required to enable HTs + Amulet... I'm obviously excluding standard stuff like Gateways & Pylons, assuming you have to choose Robotech or HT tech. That's 150/100 (Twilight Council) + 150/200 (Templar Archives) + 200/200 (Psi Storm) + 150/150 (Khaydarin Amulet) = 650/650. That's only to enable the use of High Templars. Ghosts only require the Ghost Academy (and Factory I suppose) and are good to go, together with a Tech Lab on a Barracks, granted. | ||
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Quantum314
England217 Posts
On February 27 2011 05:25 Aequos wrote: The one and only reason that Protoss are complaining about the removal of Archon Toilet/Khydarian amulet is simple. You will never find a Protoss player that doesn't secretly hate using Colossi, and wishes that he/she could use a different tech path. Unfortunately, Colossi are simply the best choice in 99% (post patch: 100%) of situations. I would happily take a nerf to Colossi if I could simply use High Templars more. I used to be in denial about hating collossi. But now that I am going to be forced... Yeah. I hate collossi. I have always felt that protoss as a race is inbalanced. I'm not saying overpowered, i mean it is not a balanced race in its literal meaning. Things like collossi are so so powerful, but gateway units are so very lack luster. It was a similar problem when everyone was complaining about void rays, they were inbalaced in that they did huge damage but died so easily. So I would gladly take a nerf to collossi for a buff elsewhere. I also feel the same way with forcefield, that it has too much importance compared to the rest of the army's capability. So I would also take a nerf to forcefield for another buff. But thats a discussion for another thread. | ||
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Korea (South)497 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On February 27 2011 05:09 undyinglight wrote: First Flux Vanes, now Khaydarin Amulet, Protoss is starting to lack upgrades. This is really going to hurt. This is just PTR though, I am sure the it will swapp back before actual patch time. I really was not expecting a BC speed buff. Quite a large one at that. Maybe they can give us some of the 123582085902 terran have. I wish they would make some of those upgrades with a purpose | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On February 27 2011 05:34 mprs wrote: Maybe they can give us some of the 123582085902 terran have. I wish they would make some of those upgrades with a purpose Medivac starting energy upgrade wins games, dude. Don't hate. | ||
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Lush
United States657 Posts
Am I wrong, or vortex essentially beneficial to the opponent now? I didn't think toilets were all that prevalent, they're difficult to pull off, and if you're in that situation, you've probably already won anyway. The nerf to HT's is too much. It renders them useless after the first engagement with them. Terran going mass bio can reproduce his army insanely fast off 3 base. Protoss cannot afford to waste the 44 ingame seconds to wait for another storm in late game battles... at least that's my impression. This makes collosus the go to unit now, which I really despise collosus play, it's just boring IMO. I would have preferred a damage nerf, or a range nerf. If this ptr patch is goingto be the final form of the next patch, I will not use HT's Fungal Growth a missile... so it's useless against blink stalkers in any league higher than gold? Not sure I understand the buff's/nerfs to FG. I thought it was great, but perhaps I wasn't paying attention. I like all changes to terran. Now I can actually use BCs. Also, two rax is a bit more difficult to pull off... but it's still going to be pretty strong. Salvage is hilarious. I can camp a zerg's ramp, kill his expo... lose nothing if I run home and salvage. Also... spine crawler? I'll just auto repair lol | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
needs to be added to OP | ||
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